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2.50 Sit turbo 180 man AKs final table

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  1. #1

    Default 2.50 Sit turbo 180 man AKs final table

    I have doubts of this hand because of ICM, but I decided to call since the short stack also went all in, what do you think?


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    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 2.5 Tournament, 1,250/2,500 Blinds 250 Ante (8 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://poker-tools.flopturnriver.com/Hand-Converter.php


    MP1 (t43,524)
    MP2 (t19,319)
    CO (t17,228)
    Button (t51,816)
    SB (t15,747)
    Hero (BB) (t43,464)
    UTG (t20,304)
    UTG+1 (t58,598)


    Hero's M: 7.56


    Preflop: Hero is BB with A, K
    2 folds, MP1 raises to t43,274 (All-In), 3 folds, SB calls t14,247 (All-In), Hero calls t40,714 (All-In)


    Flop: (t103,925) 4, 6, J (3 players, 3 all-in)


    Turn: (t103,925) 2 (3 players, 3 all-in)


    River: (t103,925) J (3 players, 3 all-in)


    Total pot: t103,925


    Results below:
    Spoiler:

    SB had 9, 9 (two pair, Jacks and nines).
    Hero had A, K (one pair, Jacks).
    MP1 had A, Q (one pair, Jacks).
    Outcome: SB won t48,491, Hero won t55,434


    original raw hand history below
    Spoiler:

    PokerStars Hand #129512946270: Tournament #1125010585, $2.28+$0.22 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XVI (1250/2500) - 2015/01/28 20:47:22 ART [2015/01/28 18:47:22 ET]
    Table '1125010585 5' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
    Seat 1: Alvidos (43524 in chips)
    Seat 2: Check weighe (19319 in chips)
    Seat 3: cycy17 (17228 in chips)
    Seat 4: chechilaa (51816 in chips)
    Seat 5: mrbeckz (15747 in chips)
    Seat 7: Matius_94 (43464 in chips)
    Seat 8: Ib_9 (20304 in chips)
    Seat 9: aPKRman11 (58598 in chips)
    Alvidos: posts the ante 250
    Check weighe: posts the ante 250
    cycy17: posts the ante 250
    chechilaa: posts the ante 250
    mrbeckz: posts the ante 250
    Matius_94: posts the ante 250
    Ib_9: posts the ante 250
    aPKRman11: posts the ante 250
    mrbeckz: posts small blind 1250
    Matius_94: posts big blind 2500
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Matius_94 [Ac Kc]
    Ib_9: folds
    aPKRman11: folds
    Alvidos: raises 40774 to 43274 and is all-in
    Check weighe: folds
    cycy17: folds
    chechilaa: folds
    mrbeckz: calls 14247 and is all-in
    Matius_94: calls 40714 and is all-in
    Uncalled bet (60) returned to Alvidos
    *** FLOP *** [4c 6s Js]
    *** TURN *** [4c 6s Js] [2s]
    *** RIVER *** [4c 6s Js 2s] [Jd]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    Matius_94: shows [Ac Kc] (a pair of Jacks)
    Alvidos: shows [Ah Qd] (a pair of Jacks - lower kicker)
    Matius_94 collected 55434 from side pot
    mrbeckz: shows [9c 9h] (two pair, Jacks and Nines)
    mrbeckz collected 48491 from main pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 103925 Main pot 48491. Side pot 55434. | Rake 0
    Board [4c 6s Js 2s Jd]
    Seat 1: Alvidos showed [Ah Qd] and lost with a pair of Jacks
    Seat 2: Check weighe folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 3: cycy17 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 4: chechilaa (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 5: mrbeckz (small blind) showed [9c 9h] and won (48491) with two pair, Jacks and Nines
    Seat 7: Matius_94 (big blind) showed [Ac Kc] and won (55434) with a pair of Jacks
    Seat 8: Ib_9 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 9: aPKRman11 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Last edited by Keith; 01-29-2015 at 12:20 PM.
  2. #2
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    I'm no Icm expert but seems like a call to me. Although I wouldn't find folding and not telling anyone to be horrible either.
  3. #3
    If ICM tells me to fold this, fuck ICM. It's a turbo. It's a premium hand. Not folding.
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    ongies gonna ong
  4. #4
    I would only fold this if everybody would be all-in, and I'd be the last to call.
    But seriously, can you fold this here? What does ICM say?
  5. #5
    if the big stack to your left is a weaker player and lets you open a lot of pots then that would make folding here favorable given your future edge in this game is potentially high and you are almost sure to move up a few pay spots thus there is no need to get involved here without ~TT+ (disclaimer I didn't run this in a calculator so I may be off on the range)

    if the big stack to your left is going crazy and not letting you open a lot of pots that would be a factor which favors calling

    the short stack being busted by another player favors folding

    take all that into consideration in addition to whatever your icm calculation gives you and make your best guess

    another factor to consider: people are almost always going to make horrible calls all in due to complete lack of icm awareness, so you can expect other players to bust each other more often than they probably should when you arent involved in the hand.
    Last edited by Micro2Macro; 02-21-2015 at 12:59 AM.
  6. #6
    easy shove really, what can you do
  7. #7
    Nothing much you can do here and shoved here.
    Go for a triple up
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  8. #8
    I think you made the right decision.
    What does not kill us, makes us stronger!!
  9. #9
    u got to shove,but there is a valid reason for a fold ,2 all ins before u play seem to me like a good reason to fold u will be up against a pair and meaybe another AK which gives u less outs.
  10. #10
    I played quite a few micro and small-stakes 180 man Turbos years ago and was profitable at them. I agree with the rest of the posters and would have made the same call you did.
  11. #11
    Good call it worked out for you, it was fortunate the short stack had the 9/9 instead of the MP1
  12. #12
    I think in this situation you can call with premium hands like AK or JJ because your opponent shoved in middle position and got call in SB.
    If it was and UTG shove and a call before my action I would consider folding, especially when I know my opponent is tight.

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