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2 solid draws vs maniac

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  1. #1

    Default 2 solid draws vs maniac

    Guy got his stack by 4bet/calling with A5o and spiking a 5 against AK. First hand is literally the next hand. He was running 67/47 with a 40% 3bet stat.

    3bet/call vs this guy or just try and hit my 12 outs before putting significant money in?

    Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (8 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    CO ($50.75)
    Button ($50)
    SB ($60.40)
    BB ($17.50)
    Hero (UTG) ($50)
    UTG+1 ($57.25)
    MP1 ($50)
    MP2 ($94.55)

    Preflop: Hero is UTG with J, A
    Hero bets $1.75, 2 folds, MP2 calls $1.75, 4 folds

    Flop: ($4.25) 4, K, 2 (2 players)
    Hero bets $3, MP2 raises to $6.50, Hero ????

    A few rotations later, same villian was up to ~160 but has lost a few pots in a row. He has shown a few times that he can find the fold button postflop (never pre). So, c/r flop, lead turn with the intent to c/f river if I miss look good?

    Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (7 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    MP2 ($51.70)
    CO ($50)
    Button ($59.40)
    Hero (SB) ($50.25)
    BB ($50)
    UTG ($53.45)
    MP1 ($119.80)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with 10, A
    1 fold, MP1 bets $2.50, 2 folds, Button calls $2.50, Hero calls $2.25, BB calls $2

    Flop: ($10) Q, J, 6 (4 players)
    Hero checks, BB checks, MP1 bets $2, 1 fold, Hero raises to $7.50, 1 fold, MP1 calls $5.50

    Turn: ($25) 4 (2 players)
    Hero bets $15
    ndultimate.
  2. #2
    hand1: call and call most turn bet.3 bet vs a LAG tard here is not the best way to exploit his bet sizing weakness.
    hand2:I fold in sb preflop.As played, I'd probably c/c on the turn instead.I don't think that you can make a fortune by calling 5x raise with ATs in sb here.
    Last edited by pokerfan; 05-24-2010 at 12:32 PM.
  3. #3
    hand 1: This is the top of my UTG folding range. As played just call his raise and call most turns if he underbets/you hit additional outs.

    hand 2: Definite fold pre. As played c/c flop all day. As played check turn.


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    AJs pre-flop is up to you, folding or opening AJs are both fine i guess. Flop is a pretty standard call with odds after he raises. he's 4 betting Kx based on your read and it's not worth gambling that light.

    ATs. Pre-flop is marginal. Lead flop/3b/whatever. Check-decide or bet-decide turn are both ok.
  5. #5
    I'm surprised everyone thinks A10s is a fold (or marginal) pre against this guy, even OOP. He is a 67/47. Don't we want to play a lot more hands against the fish?

    As for the AJs hand, I don't normally play it UTG, but I honestly wanted the maniac to 3bet me so I could play a big pot with him.

    After thinking about these hands, I have a more general question: How much should we adjust our normal ABC game to take advantage of crazies? AJs normally is difficult to play UTG, but against a much much weaker calling or 3betting range it should be profitable.
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  6. #6
    Quote Originally Posted by PapalRage View Post
    I'm surprised everyone thinks A10s is a fold (or marginal) pre against this guy, even OOP. He is a 67/47. Don't we want to play a lot more hands against the fish?

    As for the AJs hand, I don't normally play it UTG, but I honestly wanted the maniac to 3bet me so I could play a big pot with him.

    After thinking about these hands, I have a more general question: How much should we adjust our normal ABC game to take advantage of crazies? AJs normally is difficult to play UTG, but against a much much weaker calling or 3betting range it should be profitable.
    Folding ATs to 5x raise in sb is the standard,I guess.AJs i think is in my UTG open range in weak games.As I said above,you better off playing lots of hands with bad players in position.
  7. #7
    Quote Originally Posted by pokerfan View Post
    Folding ATs to 5x raise in sb is the standard,I guess.AJs i think is in my UTG open range in weak games.As I said above,you better off playing lots of hands with bad players in position.
    Right, I know its a 'standard' fold. But what is standard is based on 'normal' opponents. Being IP is obviously better, but even OOP against a guy raising this wide its likely +EV to call, right? Thoughts?
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    all seems std preflop given trying to iso the moran.

    I'd rather bet/3b or c/c in hand 2. as played meh not a fan of the turn line. I think an over bet jam on the turn seems like a very sexy play against this particular player.

    Hand 1 flat or shove but I think shoving is about 1000x better
  9. #9
    3b flop to a size where he thinks he might have fold equity with worse clubs (20ish i think). jam turn.

    c/r to at least pot. jam turn. also leading here is probably superior to check/x.
    Last edited by aka_red; 05-26-2010 at 09:44 PM.
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