Fantastic article on ISIS

[wufwugy]

They believe their duty is to usher in the apocalypse. It will come by way of conquering the heart of the eastern Roman empire (Constantinople, modern day Istanbul) then dying en masse by hand of the armies of the anti-Messiah. Only after they're nearly defeated will Allah usher in his apocalyptic salvation.

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/...-wants/384980/

Executions and enslavement of innocents are continual. They need to be invaded yesterday. Every last one with a bullet between his eyes.

[spoonitnow]

More like Islamic State of getting that ass whooped after Trump gets elected.

[wufwugy]

he's gonna get mexico to invade isis

[spoonitnow]

he's gonna get mexico to invade isis

Better than Bernie "Socialism" Sanders saying that he's going to get the Middle East to do it. Might as well say he's going to get people on food stamps to work.

[rong]

Actually I might be talking bollocks.

[a500lbgorilla]

Yeah, pretty good article. Al-Queda was at least secular, these guys are genuine article.

[a500lbgorilla]

bump, found myself thinking about this article yesterday while chatting about ISIS and caliphates. I recommend the read for anyone who hasnt.

[rong]

I know, I know, it's in the huff, but the author is knowledgeable enough and it adds to the article in op, gives a greater sense of ISIS' position within the middle east and the position of Saudi Arabia within this whole mess.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5717157?utm_hp_ref=world

[PlayToWin]

More like Islamic State of getting that ass whooped after Trump gets elected.

A smart man like you would actually vote for trump?

[OngBonga]

To those who say Trump is a great businessman, I say yes, indeed, he is an asshole with rich parents.

[wufwugy]

what trump does is like 0.1% of what makes up "businessman". funny how the face of business seen by populist sentiment ignores that 99.9%. ironic that the same populism claims to be a part of an ignored 99%.

[wufwugy]

trump support emerges from the subgroup that believes american exceptionalism is derived from americanism. which explains why they're so nationalistic and disregarding of the actual things that have made america exceptional.

american exceptionalism emerges from limited government, embrace of markets, and the protestant ethic. as it always has.

[OngBonga]

All I know about Trump is he's a fat headed twat and anyone who votes for him is a moron and should jump into an active volcano.

[OngBonga]

I know a bit more about him that just his head size, in fairness. I know he wants to spy on the Muzz, because, y'know, mosques are where it all happens. He's a walking car crash. You can't elect someone who treats an entire culture of people like potential criminals. That's the behaviour of morons, not leaders. I mean he wants to deport all the Syrians already in America? How fucked up is that? Excuse me sir, you're Syrian, not Bangladeshi, please fuck off.

I can't believe he's actually a serious contender. It's like a joke that keeps on going, and never gets funny.

[spoonitnow]

I know a bit more about him that just his head size, in fairness. I know he wants to spy on the Muzz, because, y'know, mosques are where it all happens. He's a walking car crash. You can't elect someone who treats an entire culture of people like potential criminals. That's the behaviour of morons, not leaders. I mean he wants to deport all the Syrians already in America? How fucked up is that? Excuse me sir, you're Syrian, not Bangladeshi, please fuck off.

I can't believe he's actually a serious contender. It's like a joke that keeps on going, and never gets funny.

[not trolling]

1. The timing has been perfect for Trump to gain a ton of momentum. The line-up of competition in terms of Republican contenders is especially weak, and running as a Republican gives him the advantage in the sense that there's been a Democrat in the White House for the past eight years. The timing of the ISIS shit is really coming to a head as well, and it's perfect background fodder for him to push his advantage.

2. His boldness is his main advantage, and it's something that's not readily available for other politicians because they have to think of their careers after the election. The things that he's done that's gotten him the most attention would be career suicide for his competition, so he basically has a set of tools at his disposal that aren't available to the other contenders. This is probably the single most important factor in his success so far in this election cycle.

3. He can pass himself off as knowing a lot about business and leverage that in ways that the competition cannot because of his family name, which is clearly his biggest asset overall.

4. Trump has some big advantages against both Hillary and Bernie that would give him a decent chance of winning the general election. With Hillary, he would tear her apart left, right and center, and I don't think anyone doubts that because she has a history of not being able to handle that type of pressure. With Bernie, it would be branded as capitalism vs. socialism, and there's no way around it.

5. The big question is whether there's a huge divide between the people who support him and the people who will actually turn up and vote. We won't know how big this divide is (or if there's much of a divide at all) until the primaries start.

[/not trolling]

[OngBonga]

Interesting analysis. I mean obviously my comments are mostly trolling, I know very little about American politics, I'm pretty much only interested in foreign policy. I can't see this guy winning too many international friends, to put it mildly. I'm sure he'd be great for American business, so I can see a certain appeal. Still, if I had a vote, I'd likely be voting for anyone but him to stop him. I think he's a very dangerous man. I hope I'm wrong, that he's just full of talk, but his anti-Islamic stance will only further drive a wedge between our cultures. When the most powerful man in the world is vocally anti-Islamic, well we can't expect to see things get any better, can we?

[OngBonga]

This is a derail, sorry. I haven't been active in the elections thread where we should take this.

[spoonitnow]

Interesting analysis. I mean obviously my comments are mostly trolling, I know very little about American politics, I'm pretty much only interested in foreign policy. I can't see this guy winning too many international friends, to put it mildly. I'm sure he'd be great for American business, so I can see a certain appeal. Still, if I had a vote, I'd likely be voting for anyone but him to stop him. I think he's a very dangerous man. I hope I'm wrong, that he's just full of talk, but his anti-Islamic stance will only further drive a wedge between our cultures. When the most powerful man in the world is vocally anti-Islamic, well we can't expect to see things get any better, can we?

The unchecked influx of Muslim immigrants (emphasis on unchecked, not on Muslim) is in the process of absolutely destroying Europe, and they're wanting to do the same thing here. There's nothing wrong with standing against that and requiring stricter standards for who you let into a country, especially when you have ISIS doing their thing like they are.

[rong]

The unchecked influx of Muslim immigrants (emphasis on unchecked, not on Muslim) is in the process of absolutely destroying Europe, and they're wanting to do the same thing here. There's nothing wrong with standing against that and requiring stricter standards for who you let into a country, especially when you have ISIS doing their thing like they are.

Expand please.

[spoonitnow]

Expand please.

You have two options:

1. Let in Muslim immigrants all day every day without checking them out first.
2. Check them out first.

Which one makes it easier for ISIS (and other groups)?

I mean we just had an act of terrorism by Muslim fundamentalists yesterday in San Bernardino that killed over a dozen people and injured more than a dozen others. Paris just happened a couple of weeks ago. What's it going to take before we decide that we need to tighten security and deal with our problems at home before we start trying to take on the problems the rest of the world has? How are we going to beat ISIS if shit like this is happening inside of our own borders?

[a500lbgorilla]

I just don't understand why Trump needs the presidency to solve the problems facing America.

[pantherhound]

You have two options:

1. Let in Muslim immigrants all day every day without checking them out first.
2. Check them out first.

Which one makes it easier for ISIS (and other groups)?

I mean we just had an act of terrorism by Muslim fundamentalists yesterday in San Bernardino that killed over a dozen people and injured more than a dozen others. Paris just happened a couple of weeks ago. What's it going to take before we decide that we need to tighten security and deal with our problems at home before we start trying to take on the problems the rest of the world has? How are we going to beat ISIS if shit like this is happening inside of our own borders?

I guess there are a lot of American Muslims already in the country who are capable of sympathising with ISIS/radicalising...isn't the internal threat potentially bigger than the international....?

[spoonitnow]

I guess there are a lot of American Muslims already in the country who are capable of sympathising with ISIS/radicalising...isn't the internal threat potentially bigger than the international....?

Of course there are. Some of them just shot up a place for the mentally handicapped out in California a couple of weeks ago. That just goes to show that we should stop letting everyone in until we can sort out what the hell's going on with the people we have here already.

A good first step in controlling the problem would be to stop letting everyone in just because they say they're a "refugee." Fake Syrian passports go for under $500, and if you have one, they're just letting people in left in right to plenty of European countries. The process to get into the United States if you're a "refugee" isn't much more complicated than that.

No one is wanting to cut off immigration or even refugees, true refugees, completely forever. With that having been said, there does need to be a period of time where we stop and figure out exactly what the hell is going on instead of ignoring that the problem exists out of a fear of seeming like we're not being PC enough.

[pantherhound]

The PC thing is a problem, but the outcome of that problem is solidarity which is probably what's needed.

For example the independent (a slightly shitty lefty newspaper in the UK) found a study that said 15 per cent of the world's Muslims supported ISIS. Instead of reporting what a batshit insane and scary figure that is, they decided it would be cool to go for the angle that the figure is actually negligible. Check it out, it's pretty astonishing how bad journalism can get in a so called quality newspaper.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a6765241.html

Now, there is a reason no one else touched this study with a barge pole and it's because the truth is unpalatable. No one really wants to come out and say that the peaceful majority are irrelevant in assessing the scale of this threat, but I feel like if everyone did it would just be playing into the hands of Isis by alienating Muslims and increasing the chance of radicalisation. The banning of Muslim immigrants might serve the same purpose and you have the added problem of where immigration officials are supposed to draw the lines.