Capitalism Rules, Socialism and Communism Suck Thread

[MadMojoMonkey]

I explained this to you twice, and so did poop. The yale guy can't know the number of crimes. The data he needs is illegal to collect. Believing him, would be IRRATIONAL.

You said, "ARGH ARGH ARGH, My gut doesn't like it." That's not explaining anything but your gut.

Yes, and I countered that you both made arguments to discredit his conclusions without investigating his methods.
If you're prepared to throw out the 25M number because you're discrediting his conclusions, that's rational.
If you're prepared to accept that whatever the rate of crime among illegal immigrants is half because you accept his other conclusion about the 25M, then that's rational.
It is not rational for you to pick and choose which conclusions which you accept based on how you feel about it.
Poop accepts that. He's a rational person.
You didn't. You're not.

You blow up soda cans.

I know! It's awesome!
I get to teach people about Maxwell's Equations and show them that there are so many cool and interesting and often really fun consequences like blowing up soda cans or playing with a Tesla coil.

Living the dream. Instilling joy in science in the next generation.

What do you do again? accountant?
I bet that's just great for you.

It's impossible not to trip over a button with your sensitive ego. Im not even gonna try.

At your own risk.
I've never done anything without a perfectly clear warning about the consequences of repeating it.
I've never been called out by anyone but you as to the respectable way I moderate the forum.
If you feel disrespected, it's because you're being disrespectful.
Change, and see change.

See

If you want to apologize for the way you've treated me and this forum, that'd be a good way to open the conversation without pushing my buttons.
You left here a total asshole. You came back after being banned and acted deplorably. So deplorably that you got ong to ban that account. ong who was never in favor of you getting banned. You burned that bridge.

You want to come back here like nothing happened?
Sorry, but no.
You treated us all like shit, and that has consequences.

So frankly, fuck you and any notion that you should be allowed to waltz back in here as though none of that ever happened.

Do you begrudgingly accept that walls work? Or do you find fault with the methods of the heads of border patrol?

Walls work at what, exactly?
What is the work that walls do?

After you tell me whether you begrudgingly accept that walls work....no I don't.

Good riddance.

[QUOTE=TheSpoonald;2299215]Wut? Why?/QUOTE]
see above

You're the one who keeps posting about it.

I'm responding to your questions and other statements which are clearly directed to me on this topic.
and I've repeatedly advised you to drop it, as it's a dangerous subject for you to broach. Partially because you can't control your emotions. Partially because you've already shown me that offering you any leeway in good faith is a mistake.

[TheSpoonald]

Yes, and I countered that you both made arguments to discredit his conclusions without investigating his methods.

Dude. Seriously. This is sad now.

He doesn't have a method. No one does. No method to collect that data exists. If you saw something in that study that explains how they know how many crimes are committed by illegal aliens, please quote it. I read it, and it's not in there.

If he is making the claim: "The same number of crimes, committed by 2x population, means the crime rate is half." then he must presume to know the exact number of crimes committed by illegal aliens. I'm telling you that methodology is bullshit because he can't know that. The data he needs does not exist.

Now I've done everything you asked. I've investigated the methods, challenged them, and found fault.

[MadMojoMonkey]

Dude. Seriously. This is sad now.

Why don't you cry about it?

He doesn't have a method. No one does. No method to collect that data exists. If you saw something in that study that explains how they know how many crimes are committed by illegal aliens, please quote it. I read it, and it's not in there.

No. His research methodology. You trust him to use a mathematical model to estimate the number of illegal immigrants. You don't trust the same person's same models from the same research about his conclusions.

If you accept the 25M number, then you accept his models and conclusions. You can't take the 25M and reject the 1/2 rate. That's not rational.
Reading the summary in a news story is not the same as reading whatever presumed publication goes along with it.
Stop trusting sound bites.

IDGAF which number we use. 25M or 11.3M. It has no bearing on any of my positions in this conversation. It's you who seems to care deeply about the 25M, but to draw the opposite conclusion to the research as to what that means about crime rate.
Irrational.

If he is making the claim: "The same number of crimes, committed by 2x population, means the crime rate is half." then he must presume to know the exact number of crimes committed by illegal aliens.

Nope. He's not projecting into the future. He's reflecting on the past.

I'm not repeating why it doesn't matter whether or not anyone knows the exact number of crimes. It's just not relevant.
If you can't see that X/Y goes down if Y goes up, then that's by choice. You're an accountant. Stop feigning ignorance.

Now I've done everything you asked. I've investigated the methods, challenged them, and found fault.

No. You picked and chose which of his results fit your preconceived narrative and you've rejected the parts that don't. You've made assumptions about his methodology and simply refuted them as "can't be known." Well, all the same... he's the expert... you're a muckraker, and I don't accept your analysis as informed.

[TheSpoonald]

If you can't see that X/Y goes down if Y goes up, then that's by choice.

BUT X IS A FUNCTION OF Y!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[MadMojoMonkey]

BUT X IS A FUNCTION OF Y!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

...nanners assumed without investigating his statistical methods or why he feels justified in stating that conclusion alongside the 25M number.