Obama affirms teh gay.

[kiwiMark]

god fucking damnit eugmac

[WillburForce]

Some are just more naturally talented in the sack than others....

[Lukie]

[eugmac]

Some are just more naturally talented in the sack than others....

Most of us worked hard to become awesome, though.

[jackvance]

You know, this reminds me of something. I remember in college, I noticed that the friends of mine who were big players (this is based on 4 people I was good friends with), all had way above average sized cocks. This is from seeing them in the shower after sports, or when drunk peeing in an alley. But none of their success with the ladies had to do with their size though, two of them were super friendly guys, one extremely so, and two of them played the asshole card, again one extremely so (who probably did the best).

I remember I wondered if this meant there was a genetic predispotion for them to just try way harder and apply themselves to it. I mean I was doing ok, but not like them. To give one example, one time we were at the bar we went to a lot (with this particular group of friends) and this girl approaches me, chats me up a bit. I knew I could have her, but I was feeling a bit crappy mixing different kinds of alcohol so I asked her if she was gonna come here more often (yes) so I just let it be for that night. Then the next day after I got up, my friend comes by and enthousiastically told me he stayed til 6 in the bar, and took a girl home. I already KNEW, before he said anything, that it was the girl that approached me, and that she would now be his fuck buddy. So yeah, my lack of drive over my discomfort to go for it did me in there.

[WillburForce]

You know, this reminds me of something. I remember in college, I noticed that the friends of mine who were big players (this is based on 4 people I was good friends with), all had way above average sized cocks. This is from seeing them in the shower after sports, or when drunk peeing in an alley. But none of their success with the ladies had to do with their size though, two of them were super friendly guys, one extremely so, and two of them played the asshole card, again one extremely so (who probably did the best).

I remember I wondered if this meant there was a genetic predispotion for them to just try way harder and apply themselves to it. I mean I was doing ok, but not like them. To give one example, one time we were at the bar we went to a lot (with this particular group of friends) and this girl approaches me, chats me up a bit. I knew I could have her, but I was feeling a bit crappy mixing different kinds of alcohol so I asked her if she was gonna come here more often (yes) so I just let it be for that night. Then the next day after I got up, my friend comes by and enthousiastically told me he stayed til 6 in the bar, and took a girl home. I already KNEW, before he said anything, that it was the girl that approached me, and that she would now be his fuck buddy. So yeah, my lack of drive over my discomfort to go for it did me in there.

TLDR (by too long I mean in inches)

[kingnat]

[bode]

kingest of nats,

from seeing posts from you on here and facebook, you are a big proponent of gay rights. is there a particular reason that you support this so much (i.e. gay freinds/family members)? No big deal if you do or dont want to share, just curious.

[kingnat]

kingest of nats,

from seeing posts from you on here and facebook, you are a big proponent of gay rights. is there a particular reason that you support this so much (i.e. gay freinds/family members)? No big deal if you do or dont want to share, just curious.

It's a good question, and I don't mind answering at all. I don't have any family that are out, but I do have a large number of friends who are. I first become truly disgusted by the homophobia during the 2004 election, when (despite no strong evidence to support my claim) I felt like George Bush had won re-election in part because Americans were terrified of gay people. This is a way over-simplified statement, but I felt like the debates and the discourse were hateful, ignorant and dismissive.

In 2009, I was living in Maine and they had a measure on the ballot to eliminate same-sex marriage legislation that was passed the previous session. Although I wasn't religious, I still attended Catholic church because my wife (at the time) wanted to, and I had agreed to attending when we were married. Again, the disgusting level of discourse that people took, especially Christians, was revolting. I had listened carefully to a number of debates, read a great deal on the matter and found that the "penis-in-vagina-only" marriage advocates had absolutely nothing to stand on other than religion and general dislike of the gay.

Well the "people" spoke in that election, equality was removed, and same-sex marriage was stopped before it ever started. I was crushed. I had donated substantial time and money to something that I thought was so dumb-shit obvious and it lost. A few months later I heard a speaker talking about being an advocate for the LGBT community and about how so many people mean well, but do it wrong. They might wear a pin that says "Straight but not narrow" with a rainbow on it as a way of showing support. But it's inherently homophobic to say "HEY EVERYBODY, I LOVE ME SOME GAY, but FUCK NO I AIN'T GAY!!"

I live in a conservative state, and I interact with a lot of students with conservative parents and I'm from the midwest, so my facebook network has plenty of conservative friends and family. I decided that I would do my best to be a positive and very vocal supporter. So three years ago, I picked up a rainbow Pride bracelet and put it on. I've broke it twice, but other than that it's always on. I also put an HRC sticker on my laptop. I don't have to shove it down my students throats, but they ask "What's the equals sign for?" and I tell them.

This may seem small, and it's shaming to admit this, but it was uncomfortable for quite awhile to have a rainbow bracelet on walking around campus... because "what if people think I'm gay?" Despite all my advocacy, it was something that bugged me for a while, and I had to resolve that. Once I did, I felt all the better. There are a lot of posts I see about marriage equality that I don't think are effective at all. Trying to convince someone they are wrong by calling them a fucking moran isn't all that effective. I try to post positive things, cool videos and such.

e.g.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdFPslbexDQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrEbJBFWIPk

The funny thing is, I still get substantial blowback on this from my brother and my dad. It actually hurts my relationship with them quite a bit, that i'm a) political at all and b) especially on something like gay marriage. I think my brother might be coming around, but my Dad's probably not going to change, and I think deep down he still worries that I'm gay.

Long answer I suppose, but like you said, it's pretty important to me.

TL;DR - Has lots of gay friends, arguments against it seem based on religion or ignorance, I've got a pretty big heart.

[Chelle]

kingnat you are a fucking bad ass dude.

[bode]

kingnat you are a fucking bad ass dude.

+1. i honestly don't care enough to make that a priority in my life, but i'm glad there are people like you who fight for things like that in a non-militant way. you (and others) will be the ones that sway opinion on issues like these and effect change. much props man.

[rpm]

yeah nice post kingnat. i'm of a very similar moral stance, however i'm nowhere near as good at not telling anti-gay christians that they are bigoted asshole crusaders of a moral cause which
A) has no basis in logic or reason whatsover
B) acts to discriminate and divide "god's" "holiest" "creations". seriously, this god guy said in his book that he's not into hating his neighbours.
C) has nothing to fucking do with them. you're not gay? don't marry someone of the same sex. your heterosexual marriage will still be as holy as ever in the eyes of your homophobic god (who stated in his magnum opus that he loves ALL his children. no fag caveat). it's only those homo-marriages that will send you to hell. so just steer clear of them and you'll get through the gates. and on that topic, if you are so sure that god doesn't want gay marriage, wouldnt you want to HELP these poor sinners see the folly of their gay ways? not alienate and abuse them?

oops i got carried away and started christian bashing again. anyway, i admire your constructive and positive approach. i wish i had more patience and less anger for the issue and the people who hold opposite views to mine on it.

edit: yes i realise there is a difference between being anti-gay-marriage and fully hating homosexuals, however i'm sure many christians do hate homosexuals because of, you know, the god thing.

[rpm]

i think the tone of my last post tells me i've been watching too much bill hicks and doug stanhope

[kingnat]

Thanks all. rpm, I guess my point is, there is no way of convincing religious fundamentalists (and I'm referring to anyone that takes a literal stance on this particular issue) so I don't try. It might make me feel intellectually superior to point out all the fallacies in their arguments, or the inconsistencies with which they apply certain statements as literal while others are "interpretable", but it's a waste of time. It's frustrating to me and it's very difficult to maintain a level head when having those kinds of conversations.

But there are a lot of religious people, take ELCA Lutherans for example, that are genuine New Testament bible "Jesus commands us to love and serve all"-type folk, who, in principle, are a part of the national ELCA church, and that leadership recently moved to accept and ordain openly-gay and lesbian ministers. Now granted this caused a MASSIVE upheaval, and caused many churches (especially in the Midwest) to split because a lot of people disagreed with it. But, those people aren't deadlocked by the Bible to hate the gays. They are more of the "i-ain't-got-nothing-against-gay-people-but-im-just-scared-of-gays-unless-i-know-a-gay-person-or-have-a-gay-relative"... And it's my experience that those people can be impacted from positive and loving messages (primarily females). Or the very least motivated by the rugged-individual/anti-government stance of libertarianism (primarily males).

This is fairly well known, but figured I'd mention it. Nothing changes minds like personally knowing someone who is gay. It's a complete and total game changer. I don't know if people have ever seen the movie "Milk" with Sean Penn. In it, Harvey Milk makes this huge pitch to the gay community in California (that due to impending legislation) that they HAVE to come out to let people know that there are gay people all around, and they are your friends and neighbors. A very dangerous proposition back in the 70s, but there is so much evidence that it's true. Look at Rob Portman, look at Dick Cheney, for fucks sake. It makes all the difference.

[Savy]

Yeah I would be interested in watching some of that.

Bit late because my mate who always reminds me about these things didn't say anything till last night, but today is the best day anyway.

http://www.twitch.tv/srkevo3

[a500lbgorilla]

While I agree with the principle of the laws, I couldn't help but notice that dudes were touching dudes and that's gross.

And so I oppose these laws on Moral grounds.

Because Morals are what tell me why I should find dudes touching dudes as gross as I do.

I guess my point is, there is no way of convincing religious fundamentalists

[kingnat]

While I agree with the principle of the laws, I couldn't help but notice that dudes were touching dudes and that's gross.

And so I oppose these laws on Moral grounds.

Because Morals are what tell me why I should find dudes touching dudes as gross as I do.

[kingnat]

http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/...igers-says-gay

This is huge.

[d0zer]

http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/...igers-says-gay

This is huge.

Is it that big of a deal that a black man admitted to being gay? I'm sure he would appreciate being treated like any other gay man you white-guilt-laden racist

[spoonitnow]

Well shit I mean, you can just look at him and tell he's gay.

[kingnat]

fb is so fucking gay

[spoonitnow]

"I believe marriage is between a man and a woman. I am not in favor of gay marriage."

-Barack Obama while running for president

[eugmac]

I changed my opinion about gay marraige in a span of about 4 years, so why can't he?

[Renton]

Meh, he did not change his mind. He's a slimy politician who's opinion is not his opinion. Kind of like how he is most probably an atheist but he has to go through the motions of being a Christian to have any hope of attaining his office. To be fair to him, almost any democrat would have played the gay marriage "opinion" the way he played it.

[spoonitnow]

I changed my opinion about gay marraige in a span of about 4 years, so why can't he?

Because he's a flip-flopper.

[eugmac]

Now now, name me some non-slimey, non-flippy politicians.

[kingnat]

Meh, he did not change his mind. He's a slimy politician who's opinion is not his opinion. Kind of like how he is most probably an atheist but he has to go through the motions of being a Christian to have any hope of attaining his office. To be fair to him, almost any democrat would have played the gay marriage "opinion" the way he played it.

I agree with this entirely. But since an atheist has about as much chance of being elected as a transgender person or a communist, I have to support the person that thinks and acts most closely with what I value (regardless of the posturing and bullshit he says from time to time) and Mr. Hussein-Obama is that person. People claim to respect people that speak what they truly think, but that's simply not true for most people. They want people to speak their mind and agree with what they themselves think. To his credit, he did verbally change course prior to the 2012 election which, I think, showed a tremendous amount of courage as a politician. I think it's safe to say that most politicians wouldn't have risked stepping up like that, even at that point. Before 2012, marriage equality was 0-32 (or thereabouts) at the voting booth.

This is why (except for a few issues) always appreciated Ron Paul. He has the courage to speak and act from his convictions, however unpopular. I don't agree with a lot of what he says and I think his stance on abortion is inconsistent with his other ideas, but by and large he sticks to what he believes.

The notion that a person can't change their minds on an issue is particularly ridiculous to me. Being a Non-flip-flopper simply means that you're a closed minded moron who can't possibly grow, learn and think.

[kingnat]

I also think there's a big difference between changing your mind for what appears to be purely to appeal to one's base. i.e., Rand Paul changing his stance on Foreign Policy to be more embracing of growing the military and being far more intervening than his ideals should line up with, or John McCain changing his mind on the Bush tax cuts during the 2008 election. And cases like this where some people actually think that it's simply the right thing to do. My evidence is this clip from then Washington Governor Christine Gregoire in 2012. If you look at the emotion she displays at the end (skip to 3m02s) and still think this person is just a slimy politician at this point trying to garner favor with her base, either I'm just a total sucker (I admit I'm a bit of a bitch when it comes to the feels) or you're bad at reading people.

[Renton]

No I think you have it backwards. They were slimy when they opposed it. I don't doubt that most democrat politicians are genuinely in favor of marriage equality.

There's also quite a bit of party bias in your distinction between slime and non-slime. I don't see any real difference between Obama/Gregoire with gay marriage and Rand Paul hawking it up on the campaign trail with the intention of shedding those interventionist views by the second year of his presidency. In both cases its aligning with the base to get one's foot in the door.

[spoonitnow]

Now now, name me some non-slimey, non-flippy politicians.

Bill Clinton, Herman Cain, Ron Paul, Anthony Weiner.

Edit:

[spoonitnow]

A few quick notes to preface this particular non-trolling post: I'm pro-gay marriage, anti-bullshit pseudo-science, and pro-politicians playing power games. I've also been involved with men and transsexuals in the Biblical sense of the word.

I have no problem with Obama pretending to hate gays and stirring up racial tension to get elected the first time just like I have no problem with him blatantly switching his alleged view to conveniently match the polls before he was up for re-election. It's just a game.

On a somewhat related note, I think the word homophobic is misused a particularly high percentage of the time. For example, calling a guy a candy ass cocksucking fairy faggot buttfucker that loves chin nuts isn't homophobic because it doesn't imply any sort of fear whatsoever in homosexual behavior or homosexual people. On the other hand, if you have Tom duBois, a lawyer who is deathly (and irrationally) afraid of being sent to prison and being anally raped, that fits the definition of homophobic in a much stronger way.

It's kind of like how a company having a policy of not hiring women is allegedly misogynistic, but it doesn't show a hatred of women. On the other hand, if you become a serial killer who only targets women because you hate women and want to act out that hatred by beating them to death with golf clubs (or whatever), then that's misogyny.

And while we're at it, let's talk about this weak-ass study that's been making the rounds that suggests that displaying more "homophobic behavior" really means that you're a latent homosexual. Without even going into a list of shit that's wrong with that study and why it doesn't even qualify as science at this point, why is someone trying to prove that not liking something means that you like it? I mean I don't like chicks with short hair, so let's test that this means that I'm actually attracted to chicks with short hair? The only reason you would use resources to test that hypothesis in the first place is if you were trying to build up some amount of data that you could distort into propaganda.

I think seeing two guys kiss is pretty fucking gross and generally annoying about 95 percent of the time, but I'm 100 percent for them having a right to do that in public without anybody fucking with them. But do you know what's really annoying? People discussing their sex lives and sexual preferences completely unsolicited. When a chick starts talking about how much she loves having her tits played with, that's the same level of annoyance that I have over a guy talking about how much he loves fitting two dicks in his ass at the same time. While I don't have a problem with either person doing what they want in that particular capacity, I do have a problem with them telling me this shit out of the blue.

[MadMojoMonkey]

The homophobia part comes in where you ask yourself, "Why do I think a synonym for 'homosexual man' is an insult?"
I don't think there's an honest answer to that which doesn't betray a personal fear.
Consider this an open invitation to wow me.



The latent homosexual stuff comes from, "Why do I spend any mental time or effort at all thinking about homosexuality?" I don't think it's very conclusive. I can't help but think of a few vehemently anti-gay politicians who turned out to be gay. Of course, that's merely anecdotal.

[eugmac]

Man, there's nothing more gross than 60+ year olds making out in public, ass grabbing and all. Straight or otherwise.

[eugmac]

When a chick starts talking about how much she loves having her tits played with, that's the same level of annoyance that I have over a guy talking about how much he loves fitting two dicks in his ass at the same time. While I don't have a problem with either person doing what they want in that particular capacity, I do have a problem with them telling me this shit out of the blue.

Man, I don't know what parties I have to go to to get this kind of unsolicited information. Maybe I have the wrong kind of friends.

[MadMojoMonkey]

Man, I don't know what parties I have to go to to get this kind of unsolicited information. Maybe I have the wrong kind of friends.

No. It's really weird and kind of creepy when a woman does this. I wonder if guys who give off a less sensitive vibe get this same treatment. It's never been a voluntary sharing which coincided with an invitation.

Except for that one girl who was showing off her new nipple piercings at a college party (admittedly a different kind of occasion). She was all about the hands-on approach. Thing is... copping a feel in the middle of a room of people who just copped that feel is significantly less rewarding than feels otherwise copped.

[Renton]

I like how the stenographer's ink had barely dried (edit: on the supreme court decision) before Marcus Bachmann filed for divorce from Michele. That's some interesting timing lol.

[spoonitnow]

The homophobia part comes in where you ask yourself, "Why do I think a synonym for 'homosexual man' is an insult?"
I don't think there's an honest answer to that which doesn't betray a personal fear.
Consider this an open invitation to wow me.



The latent homosexual stuff comes from, "Why do I spend any mental time or effort at all thinking about homosexuality?" I don't think it's very conclusive. I can't help but think of a few vehemently anti-gay politicians who turned out to be gay. Of course, that's merely anecdotal.

Anything that questions a man's masculinity and strength is an insult. That's why the biggest insult you can give to a man is to call him a woman: bitch, pussy, fairy, etc.

You don't have to be afraid of something for it to be used as an insult. I can call someone a lazy sack of shit, but that doesn't mean there's some basis of fear of lazy sacks of shit.

Why do I spend any mental time or effort at all thinking about math? I can't be a number.

[eugmac]

Well, you can call me a fairy all you want, and I won't care 'cause I know who I am. I work in a creative field, and I value things like sensitivity and creativity that some may associate with "femininity".

[bigred]

I like how the stenographer's ink had barely dried (edit: on the supreme court decision) before Marcus Bachmann filed for divorce from Michele. That's some interesting timing lol.

http://m.snopes.com/bachmann-divorce/

[MadMojoMonkey]

Anything that questions a man's masculinity and strength is an insult.

There's an assumption in there that homosexual men are less masculine or less strong than heterosexual men.
I am not convinced.

That's why the biggest insult you can give to a man is to call him a woman: bitch, pussy, fairy, etc.

I think everyone who's read your comments on men and women would guess that you feel this way.

However, I doubt that most men actually give a wet fish about what you may think of their masculinity... except for a man looking for a fight... then it hardly matters the content of what you say, the fact that you're perceived as starting something is enough to take offense.

It doesn't take much sense of self-worth to see the haters for what they are: melodrama.

You don't have to be afraid of something for it to be used as an insult. I can call someone a lazy sack of shit, but that doesn't mean there's some basis of fear of lazy sacks of shit.

I think that threats to a belief structure trigger deep, subtle fears which manifest as judgements about other people's behavior.

I propose that if you examine why you think laziness is anything to be ashamed of, you'll find a latent fear of wasting your potential.

Whatever. Maybe not. I'm no psychologist, and I don't think any of them know you better than you know yourself. (I wouldn't say that about just anyone, either.)

Why do I spend any mental time or effort at all thinking about math? I can't be a number.

I said it was not a very conclusive argument.

Obv, you're a creep who wants to do naughty things to the numbers, though. Get some help, bro.

[Renton]

http://m.snopes.com/bachmann-divorce/

dang i got onioned

[JKDS]

Insults are insults. You can call someone a coffee table and it still may be an insult. Shits all about intent.

But...I think people are overly sensitive to insults nowadays. "Oh no, I've been offended",...well...who cares? Be offended. Or man up. Whatever, it's just words.

[spoonitnow]

However, I doubt that most men actually give a wet fish about what you may think of their masculinity...

And that's why they're pussies because they don't care about their masculinity or trying to be a good man. There's a reason we have so many guys who think it's okay to not seek gainful employment, for example, and it's because they've been taught that masculinity is a joke and that it's okay to act with no sense of responsibility to themselves or others. They are weak largely because they have been taught that being weak is okay.

Well, you can call me a fairy all you want, and I won't care 'cause I know who I am. I work in a creative field, and I value things like sensitivity and creativity that some may associate with "femininity".

The amount of time, effort and dedication you put into what you do is exceptionally masculine. Most (not all) of masculinity comes from how you do something instead of what it is that you're doing because there are shades of masculinity and femininity in most things (with exceptions).

I think that threats to a belief structure trigger deep, subtle fears which manifest as judgements about other people's behavior.

I propose that if you examine why you think laziness is anything to be ashamed of, you'll find a latent fear of wasting your potential.

Whatever. Maybe not. I'm no psychologist, and I don't think any of them know you better than you know yourself. (I wouldn't say that about just anyone, either.)

Being called a lazy sack of shit is an insult because it's not as good as the opposite. It's the same reason why calling someone a fat ass is an insult and why being called a pussy is an insult.

[eugmac]

Why is it ok for a woman to be a weak pussy?

[eugmac]

My wife knows Jiujitsu and is officially tougher than this sack of shit.

[spoonitnow]

Why is it ok for a woman to be a weak pussy?

Because she's a girl.

My wife knows Jiujitsu and is officially tougher than this sack of shit.

It's not okay to put yourself down.

[eugmac]

No actually, she's as much a girl as I'm a boy.

[eugmac]

Singlemindedness might be a masculine trait that I think might be pretty true, and makes sense in evolutionary terms.

[spoonitnow]

Singlemindedness might be a masculine trait that I think might be pretty true, and makes sense in evolutionary terms.

What you just said is the crux of the issue. It's the source of gender roles and a ton of other stuff.

“These findings suggest that human evolution has created two different types of brains designed for equally intelligent behavior,” said Richard Haier, professor of psychology in the Department of Pediatrics and longtime human intelligence researcher, who led the study with colleagues at UCI and the University of New Mexico. “In addition, by pinpointing these gender-based intelligence areas, the study has the potential to aid research on dementia and other cognitive-impairment diseases in the brain.”

Study results appear on the online version of NeuroImage.

In general, men have approximately 6.5 times the amount of gray matter related to general intelligence than women, and women have nearly 10 times the amount of white matter related to intelligence than men. Gray matter represents information processing centers in the brain, and white matter represents the networking of – or connections between – these processing centers.

Source

[eugmac]

But I think generally we have differing opinions on what the mix of nature and nurture consists of.

[spoonitnow]

But I think generally we have differing opinions on what the mix of nature and nurture consists of.

We're probably closer than you think. I generally think that people drastically underestimate the power of both sides of the nature and nurture argument. For an example on the "nature" side, the power of hormones and massive differences in brain structure and development, even in the womb. For an example on the "nurture" side, the power of neuroplasticity and the drastic effects that our environment has had on hormone levels.

[a500lbgorilla]

I generally think that people drastically underestimate the power of both sides of the nature and nurture argument. For an example on the "nature" side, the power of hormones and massive differences in brain structure and development, even in the womb. For an example on the "nurture" side, the power of neuroplasticity and the drastic effects that our environment has had on hormone levels.

Yeah, nature never quits you, nurture never quits you, and both influence you. Nurture may take on more dynamic forms later on with peer pressure and then society and what not, but you can never leave your nature.

[Renton]

Coheed and cambria made a song out of Justice Scalia's dissenting opinions

Pretty great, even though I haven't been a big fan of theirs for a while now. I think the song works so well because the lyrics are about as absurd as normal Coheed lyrics.

[JKDS]

Thank you for that, Renton

[wufwugy]

ask the nearest hippie is something i would use.