Question: Re bet sizing...yes this again

[EasyPoker]

In NLHE Theory and Practice, the author says:

Avoid offering your opponents too high implied odds. Make sure that you bet or raise enough
with your good hands so they can't profit by playing for a longshot.

Assuming he's referring to the whole hand (thus including preflop) can somebody briefly explain this in relation to my other bet sizing thread where I asked about betting in relation to hand strength.

[surviva316]

the more someone is going to be paying attention to your play or the more likely villain will be able to pick up on patterns, the more your bet sizing should be consistent with your range as a whole as opposed to the exact two cards in your hand.

so, in very good HS games, a given bet size shouldn't narrow your range so much that it's easy to play perfect against, even if it's on the river in a really specific or even rare situation. river bet sizing against fish at 2nl, however, isn't nearly as sophisticated and can just represent your hole cards. at 25nl against an even remotely thinking reg, your flop cbets need to be consistent wtih a range and shouldn't put your hand face up because flop cbets happen enough for someone to pick up on a pattern. even against bad regs, PF 4b sizing needs to be more or less consistent in HU matches because you will be utilizing that play often enough.

SOOOOO all of this is to say that pre flop raising is SUCH a common play (you will be doing it at least 1 out of every 10 hands), even agianst the biggest of fish at the smallest of limits, PFR sizing should be more or less consistent with the strength of your entire range (there are obviously a million exceptions to this, and i in fact change my iso sizing all the fucking time against different stack sizes and with different hands and against different villains). so, in general, people have certain PFR sizing for certain positions, and don't let what two cards they're holding affect that sizing.

most common for micro limits is opening 4x's in most positions and doing 3-3.5x's in positions where you have a wide range like CO and BU and in BvB.

another way to put it is the more you're in a vacuum in a certain situation (either because it's a super rare spot, or because villain isn't paying attention, or because it's rush poker), the more you can allow your hand to be faceup through your bet sizing.

[WildBill]

Most players multitable. Most players play "robotic" poker on those tables. And for that... 4xBB+1BB per limper is very close to perfect bet sizing. For 1,2 tabling thinking poker.. it's OK... not good, not bad, but still OK.

I bet you're following a hands chart.

[spoonitnow]

If you have a strong hand and your opponent has a draw, his implied odds are higher because you will pay him off more on average when he hits.

An example of when this applies pre-flop is if you're 3-betting with pocket Aces and you don't want to give your opponents the correct implied odds to draw to a set, so you adjust your bet-sizing accordingly. That's why it's a bad thing if Villain opens to 4x and you min3bet with AA. If you had 76s (as a random example) then his implied odds isn't something you're worried about since you're not paying him off very often.

An example of when this applies post-flop is if there is a draw-heavy board and you have a set and you bet 1/2 pot. When your opponent has one of the main draws, he'll often be getting the correct implied odds to call. Even though he's only getting 3:1 immediate odds, you're going to have a harder time letting go on a later street compared to if you had something like top pair with a weak kicker.

[EasyPoker]

I bet you're following a hands chart.

How much?

[spoonitnow]

Number seven in this thread http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ts-178052.html (<--link) touches on a similar topic.

[WildBill]

How much?

We can't prove that I'm right or wrong anyway.

Considering that you're wondering, should you raise hands like 56s less, or not at all. I'm thinking you're bothered by the whole concept of raising that hand

From your 2 posts, I haven't seen 1 little hint, to:

1. why are you even raising 56s
2. who are you raising it against

When you'll answer those 2 questions to yourself. You'll know exactly should you 3bet, call, bet standard ammount, just sweeten the pot, limp or fold with it.

So I assume you raise just because you look at a hands chart saying you should raise 56s OTB.

edit: the same goes for post flop play. Who + why + when + where = ammount.

[EasyPoker]

You're making a fair few assumptions about me lol, but thanks for the advice