is this a good 2 barrel spot?

[TheLongGrind]

ok viallain is one of the 'regs' at my table , playing 16/10 , really straightforward postflop with a tendency to slowplay occasionally . hence why i barreled the turn figuring if he had an overpair or a set he might just call and pay me off on river. looking back at it, i wonder if the turn is a card where he would RR me to protect overpairs/sets. he folded a ton of his BB so far over 300 hands ( 95%) . can i ever 3 barrel the river?

thnx

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (5 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

UTG ($6.94)
MP ($5)
Button ($11.46)
Hero (SB) ($6.43)
BB ($6.37)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 6, 7
3 folds, Hero bets $0.15, BB calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.30) 4, 3, 8 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.21, BB calls $0.21

Turn: ($0.72) 10 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.51, BB calls $0.51

River: ($1.74) Q (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $0.95, Hero folds

Total pot: $1.74 | Rake: $0.08

[Shotglass]

When he called the flop, IMHO that was a sign to give up. I wouldn't have fired a 2nd. C/F on the turn. You're oop and have no idea what he's holding. Plus he fold 95% of his BB's so obviously he likes what he's got.

[TheLongGrind]

yeah obv he has a strong hand here , which made me feel like barrelling again cuz he is the type of player that loves getting the money in by the river. in case i hit i rlly felt i could go for a C/R myself on the river. meh dunno

[Shotglass]

Personally, I really don't like to play weak draws oop. I don't mind the strong ones: Draws to the nut flush or straight. The weaker ones I prefer to be IP and have really good odds.

[TheLongGrind]

weak draws? a 5 would give me the nuts , a 9 would be the virtual nuts cuz he never shows up with QJ there cuz it's simply not in his range , he would never ever float 2 streets with QJ there

[philly and the phanatics]

if hes floating you with whiffed overs like AQ/AK/KQ/AJ/KJ then i like the turn barrel cause he has to fold there....if hes playing as str8 forward as you make it seem then the 2 barrel is probably bad as his range is mostly just PP's when he calls the flop and he likely isnt folding to that turn bet with them.

[couriermike]

The T is not a great scare card. So you don't have to 2barrel there. 3barreling at the micros is usually not gonna work, so the river is fine. The open is ok because BB is kinda nitty, and the c-bet is good because the low flop misses most of his range. But in general, 76o is not gonna be a profitable open oop, and, when it's bvb, you should be even more careful about c-betting because you're oop and not getting alot of credit.

[Hoopy]

On this board I'd fire one or three barrels (depending on run out), since he's really straightforward cbet then c/f turn.

[kmind]

The turn barrel is +EV from FE alone if he can fold 99 assuming he only has 33-JJ after the flop.

[thelorax]

you pretty much have to fire 3 on this board--or just give up after your cbets called.

[Shotglass]

weak draws? a 5 would give me the nuts , a 9 would be the virtual nuts cuz he never shows up with QJ there cuz it's simply not in his range , he would never ever float 2 streets with QJ there

I understand your point but you're talking about a gutshot (4 outs), oop against someone defending his blind who normally never does.

Just my opinion.

[daviddem]

I understand your point but you're talking about a gutshot (4 outs), oop against someone defending his blind who normally never does.

Just my opinion.

A 5 is an out and so is a 9. That's 8 outs.

[Hoopy]

The turn barrel is +EV from FE alone if he can fold 99 assuming he only has 33-JJ after the flop.

I missed that we turn an double gutter. Guess betting the turn is ok, doubt he folds 99 or maybe even 77-55 though.

[kmind]

You think he doesn't fold 77-55? I'm not saying you're wrong but to me a 16/10 over 300 hands will be pretty straightforward sometimes not even calling flop with 77-55. Of course, if he folds 77-55 on the flop then that def. hurts our FE on the turn. I'm just saying I doubt he gets to the river with 77-55 and I think 99 is iffy. But it really depends and you could be right.

[TheLongGrind]

allrightie , personally after reading all the comments i feel more like , a 2 nd barrel is probably not gonna be EV+ unless he has a huge hand and not a mediocre one that has showdownvalue , like 99, 77 66 55 , , AT , KT. don't think he ever folds JJ+ to a third barrel on the river. looking back at it i agree with philly and chechking the turn would be more ev+ since i'm not generating much fe if that's his range.

so triple barreling will prolly not make him fold alot

[TheLongGrind]

basically i think he would call 3 bets with JJ+ AT KT QT and only fold 99 77 66 55 . so 7 hands he never folds and like err 4 i guess that he would fold on a 3rd barrel. don't know if after firing the turn i should fire a 3rd one if i think he has these holdings

[kmind]

He's not going to have a T unless it's TT. I disagree with some people in that he doesn't call with 77-55 on the turn, and maybe not 99. Again, if he doesn't float (which judging from his stats I'm leaning towards this) and if his range is JJ-33 on the turn then yeah it's a +EV double barrel without even calculating our equity with him folding 77-55/99.

[Shotglass]

A 5 is an out and so is a 9. That's 8 outs.

You're right... sorry I missed that....

[spoonitnow]

lots of better hands to double barrel but this is probably ~break even in a vacuum at worst so i'd go for it

[philly and the phanatics]

i agree with hoopy that its gonna be hard to push him off pp's here onthe turn....its BvB for fucks sake, has anyone ever beleived you when it was BvB

[kmind]

I def. fold way too often then.

Villain is straightforward and a nit. To each their own though.

[Icanhastreebet]

jesus christ just bet like 1.05 and he folds nearly 100%

[Hoopy]

I def. fold way too often then.

Villain is straightforward and a nit. To each their own though.

Yeah I'm not saying you're wrong, just different perspectives (maybe say he calls 99 and the odd combo of 77). Turn barrel is good, river as well?

[kmind]

Yeah I'm idiot for not taking into account we have a ton of blockers to hands I want to fold but yeah I guess like icanhastreebet says

[philly and the phanatics]

you want to overbet the pot 150%?

[kmind]

?? we're talking about river if you mean the $1.05 bet

[philly and the phanatics]

oh i thought everyone was talking about the turn,

[PokerWang]

Fold preflop.

[kickass]

lol dont fold pre flop

[kmind]

Fold preflop.

If anyone is reading: Don't do this.

[thelorax]

Fold preflop.

wat?
why?
lol

[Jnfrllane]

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[thelorax]

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[TheLongGrind]

grammar lol

[Icanhastreebet]

?? we're talking about river if you mean the $1.05 bet

I was talking about the turn. The only thing that does suck is we have blockers to hands we want to fold but we still get tonnes of folds AND the range he peels an overbet with is almost always paying off when we bink the river. People don't account for this when playing weak players so in reality we don't need him to fold THAT much more when we overbet as opposed to when we bet say 3/4 because when we get 3/4 he peels w/ all sorts of shit that would fold to a triple but tripling isn't gonna be as amazing as overbetting the turn.

Hope this clears things up.

[Icanhastreebet]

You people need to get out of your little box.

[Icanhastreebet]

Also if villain is AS tight as you people think then you can just c/f the flop pretty confidently. I mean you already exploited his super tight pre-flop tendency...soooo why c-bet when the reason we opened in the first place is because he always gets to the flop with a really strong range?

[kmind]

Interesting. Appreciate the explanation. I guess I just thought he could flat flop with a set and could still call an overbet but betting smaller would allow him to most likely raise the turn with a set. Because he didn't, I felt like we could get him off whatever PP he had on the river.