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  1. #1

    Default Wtf Gross Spot vs Lagg 330bb's Deep

    Villain has been crushing the table. I have him running at 32/21 and he's been on a huge heater (or else he's been lucky to never get called besides with the goods).

    My image is ***yawn***.

    I'm away from my computer so from memory (nl200) :

    Effective stacks of 660$

    I open for 7$ with from HJ.

    Donk calls from SB, villain overcalls from BB.

    Flop (21$) is

    Checked to me, I pot it.

    Donk folds, villain calls

    Turn (pot 60$) is

    Villain checks, I bet 55$.

    Villain calls.

    River (170$ pot) is

    Board now reads

    Villain checks, I bet 155$

    Villain insta-shoves. 430$ for me to call into 900$ish.

    Sorry if this is an LOLSNAPCALL but whatever.
    when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
  2. #2
    he's got A T, fold.
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    wth are you talking about Hyper?

    7c8c? I call but Imma station.
  4. #4
    AJ, KJ, is also in his range. dunno, it really depends if you think this guy is savvy enough to understand his own table image and how others would react.

    when i read this hand, it was definitely not a OMGWTF INSTA-CALL type hand. it was OMGWTF do i do???

    not only that, hero's bet almost pot 3 times, which shows considerable strength, and even after pushing, villain is offering hero almost 2:1 odds, which is VERY tempting to call, which leads to believe it's more likely he has at least an ace here.
  5. #5
    I've been spending the past 10 minutes trying to work out whether or not Hero really did backdoor the 2nd nuts..

    What's going on?
  6. #6
    omg i'm an idiot. snap call.
  7. #7
    Aaah, now I see.. There aren't many XcXc hands that call the flop, so we're up against 8c7c, Tc8c or KcTc.


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  8. #8
    Given the fact that you backdoored the flush and it's thereofre a small portion of your range, i definitely call. Plus there are weaker flushes he may value shove here, given the way the board has come out.
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  9. #9
    BBFIDTS. I rarely lay this down in PL Omaha unless the guy's a total nit. There's no way we fold here. This is KJ (not clubs) or Tcxc way more often than the nuts.
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    I call this instantaneously. If he has the nuts then you can just stick your finger down your throat and draw pictures in the vomit.
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  11. #11
    If you're even THINKING about folding this you shouldn't be playing this deep. Get up and find a new table.
  12. #12
    You hit your backdoor flush. He can't put you on that...I insta call as Kx clubs is only a small part of his range and is unlikely you both backdoored a flush. If he has it, then puke. But I call this every time with the 2nd nuts.
  13. #13
    Do ppl think there is a cut off for folding to a strong CR this deep with a flush?

    what if we have , or the obv ?
    when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
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    This is an easy call. Looking at all the combo's of hands he could have with a club draw in that might call the flop, non really make sense except KTc
    With his stats versus yours, i can see him looking you up over multiple streets with second pair here if we have the image of firing multiple times.
    1 hand beats us, the pot is large and i cant see a way to fold or am i reading the board wrong?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miffed22001
    This is an easy call. Looking at all the combo's of hands he could have with a club draw in that might call the flop, non really make sense except KTc
    With his stats versus yours, i can see him looking you up over multiple streets with second pair here if we have the image of firing multiple times.
    1 hand beats us, the pot is large and i cant see a way to fold or am i reading the board wrong?
    nope u r reading it right we have the 2nd nutz
    when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
  16. #16
    You could probably argue about folding the 7 high flush or something, but u got the 2nd nuts cmon...

    He could EASILY have 7c8c, Tc8c,Tc7c...
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    Haha, Hypers funny.

    I feel like I run really bad in big pots and even I call this and don't even feel bad about it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Genitruc
    Quote Originally Posted by Miffed22001
    This is an easy call. Looking at all the combo's of hands he could have with a club draw in that might call the flop, non really make sense except KTc
    With his stats versus yours, i can see him looking you up over multiple streets with second pair here if we have the image of firing multiple times.
    1 hand beats us, the pot is large and i cant see a way to fold or am i reading the board wrong?
    nope u r reading it right we have the 2nd nutz

    folding here is just fucking sick when he has a backdoor draw, but then i remember that sickish hand i posted from 2/4 where i backdoored it against the flopped nuts.

    zomg its a fold, but at these stakes it just cannot be vindicated as a good one.
  19. #19
    Quote Originally Posted by Ash256
    I've been spending the past 10 minutes trying to work out whether or not Hero really did backdoor the 2nd nuts..

    What's going on?
    Yea same. This is such a snap call that the word "snap" is actually too long to describe it.
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  20. #20
    Quote Originally Posted by Pelion
    This is such a snap call that the word "snap" is actually too long to describe it.
    nap call
    when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
  21. #21
    so he had KcTc right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexos
    so Genitruc had KcTc right?
    when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
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    c/r river is awesome
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    Instacall w/ fist pump
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    Quote Originally Posted by Genitruc
    Quote Originally Posted by Alexos
    so Genitruc had KcTc right?
    im sure you commented on my hand being sick a few months bnack, this is just gross. Vnh sir.
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    what kind of flush are we folding srsly

    does the runner runner make it virtually impossible to lay down a flush?
    when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
  27. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by Genitruc
    does the runner runner make it virtually impossible to lay down a flush?
    pretty much
  28. #28
    dont fold
    I got more flava than fruitstripe gum
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    whoa nice read miffed and alexos, dunno what else value shoves that plays like that but still 2nd nut runner flush thats a cooler.
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    fwiw, can we fold the 3rd nut flush, i cant fold the second because of the runner issue, i dont think.
  31. #31
    He is much more likely to have KJ here. If you had 2c3c then it would be a tough spot.
  32. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by Alexos
    You could probably argue about folding the 7 high flush or something, but u got the 2nd nuts cmon...

    He could EASILY have 7c8c, Tc8c,Tc7c...
    If villain had one of these lower flushes, what would be his best play on the river. I think even with THESE flushes, check-call seems almost too tight by villain, since hero could be value betting all sets and two pairs on the river.

    If we're villain, whats the best line with a lower flush in this spot?
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    Quote Originally Posted by griffey24
    Quote Originally Posted by Alexos
    You could probably argue about folding the 7 high flush or something, but u got the 2nd nuts cmon...

    He could EASILY have 7c8c, Tc8c,Tc7c...
    If villain had one of these lower flushes, what would be his best play on the river. I think even with THESE flushes, check-call seems almost too tight by villain, since hero could be value betting all sets and two pairs on the river.

    fwiw the thing about this that got me thinking was that villain tanked a LONG time before calling w the 2nd nuts.

    If we're villain, whats the best line with a lower flush in this spot?
    that s what made me wonder about this spot

    with the line I took (being villain w KcTc) I think my range is almost 100% the hand I had.

    if I were in position here with an 8 or 7 high flush I really think I d only be bluff-catching by calling the CR

    with a lower flush I think the temptation would be to lead river... but would bet/fold be an option?
    when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
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    Lol i thought you might have reversed the positions.

    When ever someone posts that their reads are "villain is a God and my image is that I suck" it ends up like this.

    Villain has been crushing the table. I have him running at 32/21 and he's been on a huge heater (or else he's been lucky to never get called besides with the goods).

    My image is ***yawn***.
    gg lol.
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  35. #35
    Quote Originally Posted by Pelion
    Lol i thought you might have reversed the positions.

    When ever someone posts that their reads are "villain is a God and my image is that I suck" it ends up like this.

    Villain has been crushing the table. I have him running at 32/21 and he's been on a huge heater (or else he's been lucky to never get called besides with the goods).

    My image is ***yawn***.
    gg lol.
    pfft

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    shipit
    when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
  36. #36
    you didnt fold right? Im guessing you actually took time to think about this, called then were curious if you were retarded for not snap calling?
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  37. #37
    i was just surprised villain took so long to call (if you read the whole thread I was villain w KT of clubs) w 2nd nuts so it made me wonder what kind of flush (if any) would be good to fold to this huge CR.

    also, I am a pompous nerd and refer to myself as a "table crusher"

    digg it
    when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Genitruc
    i was just surprised villain took so long to call (if you read the whole thread I was villain w KT of clubs) w 2nd nuts so it made me wonder what kind of flush (if any) would be good to fold to this huge CR.

    also, I am a pompous nerd and refer to myself as a "table crusher"

    digg it
    IMO you cant fold the second runner nuts even this deep in a game at 200nl. Having said that at 400nl the skill level is increased so perhaps we have to call with more hands but at the same time so much money wouldnt be on the line as a bluff.

    I wont fold second runner nuts here, but id fold any other flush i think for THAT much money.
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    even after u just won 70k?

    nit

    i agree though
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    i fold 4c3c but thats it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexos
    even after u just won 70k?

    nit

    i agree though
    just because i have 3245356456775675 buy ins !
  42. #42
    that is such an eww beat for him.
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  43. #43
    Great post for practicing my hand reading, Genitruc.
    I must admit anybody that knows you knows your image isn't ever really ***yawn***.
    I have a question? If the 2 hits the river, do you still CR push?
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  44. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by Silly String
    Great post for practicing my hand reading, Genitruc.
    I must admit anybody that knows you knows your image isn't ever really ***yawn***.
    I have a question? If the 2 hits the river, do you still CR push?
    that s a rly good question

    i m not sure... i might play it the same way, but i can def say that knowing i had nut draw on turn made it easier for me to call rather than pull a "scary" turn check raise
    when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
  45. #45
    i miiiigghhhtt fold 87- not of clubs tho
    I got more flava than fruitstripe gum
  46. #46
    Quote Originally Posted by Genitruc
    Quote Originally Posted by Silly String
    Great post for practicing my hand reading, Genitruc.
    I must admit anybody that knows you knows your image isn't ever really ***yawn***.
    I have a question? If the 2 hits the river, do you still CR push?
    that s a rly good question
    lol of course you c/r shove n00b.
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    pfft check call PROTECTIN MY STACK YO
    when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
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    dude u hit it backdoor, so he could def be value shoving worse

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