Strong ranges discussion from BU

Hi guys,

Lately, I've been thinking a lot about spots where we have strong ranges.
Situations like (we are TAG 20/17) raising UTG and 2barriliing with FLOP is AJ4 two tone and TURN 2 we definetely have a strong range. Or even if we call a raise from BB, c/c FLOP and c/r TURN on 954J rainbow board we also have a very strong range. Whether our opponents are wary of that depends on how good they are, of course. These examples are straight forward.

However, I've been having some issues to try and find spots where we raise first in BU (let's say we raise 40% there) and BB calls and we have a strong range. The only examples I could find would be on boards like KQJ34 where we fire 3 barrils (or even 2). But apart from this I'm struggling to find other spots. Does anyone has an idea? Maybe there's not that many as we are raising such a wide range from BU?

Thanks!

Isn't it your steal ratio to there call from the BB represent how strong your range should be?

We are going to have a much weaker range for almost all of our actions BU vs blinds than UTG vs blinds. This is what makes the BU so profitable and easy to extract value on.

I mean there are obv villain types we are never barreling light vs or guys who we just don't bluff much against and in these spots we have a pretty strong range, but spots where we just plain have a strong range based on board texture and our actions alone are going to be much rarer.

i guess there would not be as many.. but I feel that that is not overly important in itself. Obviously understanding our ranges strength vs the villains range is a very important and valuable concept. But most times the strength of a LP range is not so important because of the positional disadvantage staring straight into the face of the BB.

What i mean to say is..
I'm positionally aware, and consider the buttons weaker range in these situations. But that doesnt mean i'm going to be bluffing him off his hand very often because i'll get myself in trouble and be forced to slow down, giving away too much info about the strength of my hand and being bluffed off it on the turn or river.

Maybe i suck and this is a leak though..

c/r flops vs baisc abc regs who open in late position at micros and low stakes is the nuts when they have a somewhat positionally aware opening range.

You should defo be playing back much more frequently vs BU ranges than you do UTG ranges.

I think finding spots where we can rep a strong range depends on a good understanding of our opponent's understanding of our ranges, or basic ranges, in various positions and how he expects us to play on various boards textures. As a general example, a middling suited board like 967Jdd would be a great spot to check/ship on the turn if we are in the BB vs a UTG+1 PFR and there is ample FE.

From the button having a wide PFR is good because we have a 'wide' range. It gives us the option to barrel off on a lot of boards and the opp in the blinds is conscious of this. However I think this concept works better as the stakes go higher. At 50nl-100nl against a nit I would give up on flops that hit his flatting range and if i have no equity. Balance goes out the window against idiots and so we never have to bluff, we can value bet damn thin and we can steal and pick up a lot of blinds with ease.

Originally Posted by jimmy44

However, I've been having some issues to try and find spots where we raise first in BU (let's say we raise 40% there) and BB calls and we have a strong range. The only examples I could find would be on boards like KQJ34 where we fire 3 barrils (or even 2). But apart from this I'm struggling to find other spots. Does anyone has an idea? Maybe there's not that many as we are raising such a wide range from BU?

Thanks!

Since most guys will call with all broadways from the blinds and 3b or fold lots of stuff that would miss this board, your relative range on this board is weak compared to say: 67T.
In steal vs blinds you usually have a wider range of semi connected garbage and your opponents range is more top heavy.
What's more important imo is to know how your opponent reacts. lowstakes players do very weired things in short handed situations. Playing HU really helped me a lot to not get lost in these spots.

anytime you have a tight range pre and you shove a fuckton of money in post you have what should look like a strong range

Originally Posted by sauce123

anytime you have a tight range pre and you shove a fuckton of money in post you have what should look like a strong range

Sure, but I would add that stronger range polarization is required as well and sometimes merge for balance against tougher regs.

Originally Posted by pocketfours

Sure, but I would add that stronger range polarization is required as well and sometimes merge for balance against tougher regs.

i have no idea what this even means

Originally Posted by jimmy44

Hi guys,

Lately, I've been thinking a lot about spots where we have strong ranges.
Situations like (we are TAG 20/17) raising UTG and 2barriliing with FLOP is AJ4 two tone and TURN 2 we definetely have a strong range. Or even if we call a raise from BB, c/c FLOP and c/r TURN on 954J rainbow board we also have a very strong range. Whether our opponents are wary of that depends on how good they are, of course. These examples are straight forward.

However, I've been having some issues to try and find spots where we raise first in BU (let's say we raise 40% there) and BB calls and we have a strong range. The only examples I could find would be on boards like KQJ34 where we fire 3 barrils (or even 2). But apart from this I'm struggling to find other spots. Does anyone has an idea? Maybe there's not that many as we are raising such a wide range from BU?

Thanks!

There is strength of range and then there is number of nut hands in your range. There's a big difference. I used to be able to get away with just caring about the number of nut hands in my range, but people now seem to be smart enough to realize that when your opponent has a wide range you cant really fold much.

Originally Posted by jimmy44

Hi guys,

However, I've been having some issues to try and find spots where we raise first in BU (let's say we raise 40% there) and BB calls and we have a strong range. The only examples I could find would be on boards like KQJ34 where we fire 3 barrils (or even 2). But apart from this I'm struggling to find other spots. Does anyone has an idea? Maybe there's not that many as we are raising such a wide range from BU?

Thanks!

If you raise the button wide you're going to have a wide range basically everywhere. Playing balanced postflop after a button raise when your range is wide would definitely involve bluffing less in basically every spot. Luckily online cash games are nitty enough that you can play exploitably bluffy and usually get away with it.

Originally Posted by sauce123

i have no idea what this even means

Don't make too thin value bets.