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  1. #1

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    He's 40/7/1 with a fold to flop cbet of 42%.
    Would it be better or worse if I had more outs to my draw?
    Is the 3 turn better or worse than a 5 turn?

    $2.5/$5 No Limit Holdem
    5 players
    Converted at weaktight.com

    Stacks:
    UTG ($646.50)
    Hero ($508.90)
    BTN ($836.95)
    SB ($319.00)
    BB ($166.23)

    Pre-flop: ($7.5, 5 players) Hero is CO
    UTG calls $5, Hero raises to $22.5, 3 folds, UTG calls $17.5

    Flop: ($52.5, 2 players)
    UTG checks, Hero bets $36, UTG calls $36

    Turn: ($124.5, 2 players)
    UTG checks, Hero bets $90,
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    I doubt the 3 makes a difference to his hand or to whether or not he calls. Personally I woud check behind there a lot against this player and call a bet or value bet a river ace, or try to get as much money in as possible if a club comes. I think he shows up with a ten, a nine, or something like 88 a lot, and he doesn't fold them often.
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    yeah i agree, unlikely the 3 made a difference to his hand, and I'd almost always take a free card there. As mentioned above, he's likely calling with a pair of eights, nines etc cos he thinks that flop couldn't have hit you. You can't bluff a calling station!
  4. #4
    turn is a total blank

    build the pot, get him to fold Q8 no club (or call with it for that matter lol)... nice bet
    when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
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    If he flats this, and we miss the river, are we c/fing?

    If so, do we really want to bloat the pot on the turn when we've only got like 25-35% equity?
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    It's a bad two barrel card if we had air here but we don't. We have a huge draw and I would double this 100% of the time. He is going to call the turn with the majority of his flop range but theres a ton of good cards to come on the river that we can triple profitably even against this player.
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    I like it, get value from straight draws/lesser flush draws (he seems to be the chasing type) and fold PPs. The 3 oviously isn't a good double barrel card but you have nice equity anyway and this guy doesn't seem to be the type to c/r turn.


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    I don't get why you insist on stacking off with like jack high all the time.
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    yeah i think if you do 2 barrel you need to 3 barrel some rivers though like J, Q, K rivers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dalecooper
    I doubt the 3 makes a difference to his hand or to whether or not he calls.
    I was thinking along the lines of it reducing the chance he has a set.
  10. #10
    Quote Originally Posted by EzDuzIt
    yeah i think if you do 2 barrel you need to 3 barrel some rivers though like J, Q, K rivers.
    Does everyone else agree with this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Irisheyes
    Quote Originally Posted by EzDuzIt
    yeah i think if you do 2 barrel you need to 3 barrel some rivers though like J, Q, K rivers.
    Does everyone else agree with this?
    Hell no.

    Edit: I should say this is because this decision should be made based more on the opponent than on the hand/cards. But meh, I'm a nitty 3-barreller

    Edit 2: But like I said earlier, I think a lot of draws are in his turn calling range so what's the point in 3-barrelling as the ace is ahead of most of them?


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    i think a double barrel is fine here. i definitely disagree with 3 barreling a J or Q. he likely has a lot of low pairs, 9's and draws. i would expect him to fold the mid pairs after a turn bet, and we are still ahead of draws. also do you know his fold to turn bet frequency?
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    I wouldn't say that he's folding all his mid pairs to a turn bet at all. He's a 40/7 but other than that the 3 doesn't really change anything from the flop so he should be thinking that his mid pair could still be good. He very likely could call 2 streets with these hands but he is likely folding to a 3 barrel on a paint card.
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    i thinking checking behind the turn would be better if you arent planning on barreling over card rivers. this guy is probably not folding a 10 or 9 or even like 66 on this turn. but hes going to have a tough time calling a 3 barrel.
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    Looks like a good value bet to me. I don't think I 3 barrel bluff very many rivers here.
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    If he calls and bets river, are we ever calling? If so, what kinda bet size would you wanna call with?

    I seriously think we could call a huge bet on river.
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    lol good point ash. I agree as long as the OESD's miss.

    I've had a few thoughts

    1) Contrary to what I first thought, the 3 is a bad turn card because it means he wont fold A3. He doesn't have sets, he would have raised the flop.

    2) The more I think about it the more I like this bet because it value towns everything we beat (draws) and bluffs everything that beats us (pairs).

    3) I believe that he will fold 97 and AJ to a turn bet (and not a flop bet) and therefore I don't like the idea of a third barrel bluff. I don't think this guy is folding a ten no matter what peels. I can see how this would change if I believed differently though.
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    this is pretty much a value bet and u have a nice draw if he actually has something
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ash256
    If he calls and bets river, are we ever calling? If so, what kinda bet size would you wanna call with?

    I seriously think we could call a huge bet on river.
    does a 40/7/1 mean anything to you? this guy is never betting big on the river to a double barrel w/o a good hand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by will641
    Quote Originally Posted by Ash256
    If he calls and bets river, are we ever calling? If so, what kinda bet size would you wanna call with?

    I seriously think we could call a huge bet on river.
    does a 20/7/1 mean anything to you? this guy is never betting big on the river to a double barrel w/o a good hand.
    Oh ya, I forgot his low Agg factor too. Although in fairness agg factor of 1 isn't hella low considering he has a vpip of 40.
  21. #21
    This is a value bluff because he probably folds 77 and calls with QJ.
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    OMG range merging.

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