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Set of 4s getting C/R on river 100NL

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  1. #1

    Default Set of 4s getting C/R on river 100NL

    Villain is a reg. 26/22/2.5. I haven't seen him do anything crazy postflop. Should I have even bet the river? Now that I think about it, I'm not sure what worse hands I was really expecting to call.

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    saw flop

    Hero (MP) ($193.35)
    CO ($101.50)
    Button ($117.18)
    SB ($103.65)
    BB ($271.09)
    UTG ($99.50)

    Preflop: Hero is MP with ,
    1 fold, Hero bets $3, 3 folds, BB calls $2

    Flop: ($6.50) , , (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets $4.33, BB calls $4.33

    Turn: ($15.16) (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets $11.10, BB calls $11.10

    River: ($37.36) (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets $26.02, BB raises $66.04
  2. #2
    you should definitely be value betting this river -- plenty of worse hands villain can call with. the Ace is a card you'd be perceived to be bluffing with a high frequency so you need to widen your value range in these spots.

    the thinnest I'd vbet in this spot would be top pair. if you feel like villain isn't the hero/station type you can vbet 1/4-1/5psb

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  3. #3
    Given stack sizes I'd expect A5/56 to c/r turn some reasonable % of the time, to try and build a pot. Unless he thinks you're mega bluffy.

    45/55 can definitely get to the river this way.

    Given your river sizing, I'd say he might assume you don't have 5x. I wouldn't be too shocked to see someone capable of value raising light and have A2/A3/A4 here.

    After your sizing and pot odds and possibility of him raising for value with worse, I end up calling here.

    Either way you should definitely be better on the river.
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  4. #4
    You're getting 3:1 on a call here after the C/R. The BBs calling range is considerably wider pre-flop since they were in the big blind. They could easily have a 5, or they could easily have an ace as well. I probably would've checked the river and played it safe. Then they might bet (or bluff) about $20-$30 and you'll probably have to throw the chips in, but at least you give your set a chance to win
  5. #5
    Quote Originally Posted by sam1FTR View Post
    I probably would've checked the river and played it safe. Then they might bet (or bluff) about $20-$30 and you'll probably have to throw the chips in, but at least you give your set a chance to win
    It's tough to check call IP
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  6. #6
    You should fold river despite odds. Perhaps at higher stakes and against a more aggressive opponent a call is in order. At 100nl when you get check raised on the river in a spot that contains few draws throughout the hand, and a fairly passive opponent can definitely creditability rep a 5, you should let it go.

    You should be VB the river though.
  7. #7
    You definitely should bet this river, I'd call the raise without really good reads.
  8. #8
    Everything is good, I'd call riv but its close. You have to consider some amount of 33 and some 22 and A9 even though it's unlikely. Very unlikely also but could be made hand into bluff.
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  9. #9
    kinda close but still a fold. prob more of a call if the raise is bigger
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  10. #10
    Easy call. Villain's range is probably much wider than 5x, lots of baby A's would have similar lines. Only hands that beat you that make somehow sense are 45, 55, and maybe A5.
  11. #11
    Quote Originally Posted by Sin Uggla View Post
    Easy call. Villain's range is probably much wider than 5x, lots of baby A's would have similar lines. Only hands that beat you that make somehow sense are 45, 55, and maybe A5.
    Lots of baby X's or sets would check raise this river and turn their hand into a bluff? I think they would just value bet.

    Villain is passive. How many passive opponents have you seen C/R rivers and turning their hand into bluffs? Makes zero sense, and zero dollars.
  12. #12
    zero dollars.. respect
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  13. #13
    Quote Originally Posted by Freakdaddy View Post
    Makes zero sense, and zero dollars.
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  14. #14
    Very close this spot..If he had 5x he checks the river in trap? I call
  15. #15
    Quote Originally Posted by postiga View Post
    Very close this spot..If he had 5x he checks the river in trap? I call
    he clearly should
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