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  1. #1
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    Default Pair + gutter oop in RR pot vs TAG

    Villain is up a few buyins on me on the sesh and is very tag. 22/19/6 over 4k hands.

    No-Limit Hold'em, $2.00 BB (5 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    Hero (SB) ($227.35)
    BB ($435.25)
    UTG ($133.05)
    MP ($189)
    Button ($196.50)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with 5, 5
    2 folds, Button bets $5, Hero raises $17, 1 fold, Button calls $13

    Flop: ($38) 4, 8, 6 (2 players)
    Hero bets $26, Button raises $60, Hero quietly folds?
    Family Cruise IMO
  2. #2
    Whats his fold to 3bet / 4bet?

    How much have you been 3betting him, how fed up of you is he?
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    I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks
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    I'd usually only bet that flop vs passive opponents. Not quite enough equity to call or jam imo.


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    people don't c/r enough flops in this spot, so yeah fold would be my standard. Cbet is perfectly fine though.

    fold 3b%, raise cbet %, and history in 3bet pots is what I need to make a decent decision here.
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  5. #5
    Quote Originally Posted by Alexos View Post
    people don't c/r enough flops in this spot, so yeah fold would be my standard. Cbet is perfectly fine though.

    fold 3b%, raise cbet %, and history in 3bet pots is what I need to make a decent decision here.
    You want to c/r flop with 55? c/r and call?
    Quote Originally Posted by Jay-Z
    I'm a couple hands down and I'm tryin' to get back
    I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks
  6. #6
    Quote Originally Posted by griffey24 View Post
    You want to c/r flop with 55? c/r and call?
    replace c/r in his post with raise
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    yeah I mean i don't have those stats when i'm playing so didn't post them. I guess I should look them up. Do you guys look at that stuff in the middle of the hand? I have no clue how you can have time for that and still play lots of tables on ongame.
    Family Cruise IMO
  8. #8
    Quote Originally Posted by JL View Post
    replace c/r in his post with raise
    yeah misread action, i think they're somewhat more likely to raise than c/r though
    Nine to five is how to survive - I ain't trying to survive / I'm trying to live it to the limit and love it a lot //

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravageur View Post
    yeah I mean i don't have those stats when i'm playing so didn't post them. I guess I should look them up. Do you guys look at that stuff in the middle of the hand? I have no clue how you can have time for that and still play lots of tables on ongame.
    Well I six-table with a HUD. I don't know how you guys can twelve-table and have a positive winrate.
  10. #10
    Yah +1 to JL's post. I don't know how you guys can make these important in-game decisions without knowing their fold to 3bet/4bet. Seems like they are pretty relevant here.

    I mean I'm likely folding either way, but not having a sense for those stats in game seems pretty important. Way more important knowing those things and 8-10 tabling, than 12 tabling and not knowing them imo.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jay-Z
    I'm a couple hands down and I'm tryin' to get back
    I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks
  11. #11
    Marshall28 made a great video on Cardrunners where he talked about these super imp stats and showed his pop-up that he uses while playing. Ever since then Ive had a much better grip on ppls ranges in such situations. Looked pretty much like this and I have set it as my default Preflop pop-up.
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    Last edited by shakesss; 03-29-2011 at 07:30 AM.

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