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KJ 200nl river range spot

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  1. #1

    Default KJ 200nl river range spot

    same kind of donk reg. this was one of the first hands I played at 200nl so absolutely no reads.

    you can guess how this one turned out, but I'm curious if you guys think any of villains value range for raising this river is worse than KJ. or that he is doing weird shit/bluffing a missed draw often enough i should still call.

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    saw flop

    Button ($139.55)
    SB ($98.25)
    Hero (BB) ($203)
    UTG ($202)
    MP ($218.95)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with K, J
    2 folds, Button bets $6, 1 fold, Hero calls $4

    Flop: ($13) J, J, 2 (2 players)
    Hero checks, Button checks

    Turn: ($13) 9 (2 players)
    Hero bets $10, Button calls $10

    River: ($33) 10 (2 players)
    Hero bets $26, Button raises to $60, Hero
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  2. #2
    No, the valuerange that you beat, which is basicly only QJ - maybe some Jxs - would have bet the flop or raised the turn probably.

    And I don't think there are enough draws that need to bluff. Straight draws got there, or rivered a T that they maybe would want to show down.
  3. #3
    Seems like you're always beat here. Pretty much only beating a bluff, very few weaker Jacks would check back the flop and then raise this river. Although it mind be hard to find a fold at the time unless you're fully concentrated, against almost all opponents it's the right play with hindsight.
  4. #4
    Call river then take notes. Without reads, this is really moot IMO.
  5. #5
    Given your sizing.. AND his raising, I'd say you're losing here pretty often. Given odds though I feel like i always call, and see 99/TT.
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  6. #6
    Snap fold. His range is just all nizzles. He has no weaker value hands since he's betting the flop with them and it'd be absurd to think he can bluff here with any meaningful frequency. Don't see why you'd ever call.
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    yea he's never bluffing here...ever and it's really tough for him to have worse for value the way he played it
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  8. #8
    If you'd bet less on the river I'd be more inclined to include more AdXd and this would be closer imo. Just don't see many 200NL regs expecting any FE here from an unknown.
  9. #9
    y, odds are awesome, and we could hope for missed diamonds or smth,
    but really i don`t think we often enouhg here if we do call
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    Quote Originally Posted by griffey24 View Post
    Given your sizing..
    - this is really important imo... Agree w/ fold
  11. #11
    i think that if you re putting any more money in the pot it s as a bluff shove, not in order to burn money vs his floated KQ or underfull
    when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
  12. #12
    Quote Originally Posted by griffey24 View Post
    Given your sizing.. AND his raising, I'd say you're losing here pretty often. Given odds though I feel like i always call, and see 99/TT.
    TT


    another pretty dumb hand, I need discipline to make these folds because I can hand read well enough to know better
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  13. #13
    Quote Originally Posted by Genitruc View Post
    i think that if you re putting any more money in the pot it s as a bluff shove, not in order to burn money vs his floated KQ or underfull
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    Ambition is fucking great, but you're trying to dig up gold with a rocket launcher and are going to blow the whole lot to shit unless you refine your tools
  14. #14
    well strategically speaking do you guys like betting $16 better?
    Quote Originally Posted by Carroters
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  15. #15
    you played it fine except for the part where you called in a spot where people are never bluffing and could easily be bluffing with A5dd or something on the river so betting big is good.
    Last edited by Genitruc; 02-18-2011 at 01:00 PM.
    when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
  16. #16
    great odds but you're good like 14% of the time here.
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