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    Default ilikeaces86 simple way to beat 6max NL

    1. Maintain somehwere between a 15-25% vpip and 7-15% PFR.
    2. Raise lots of hands in late position and fewer hands in early position.
    3. Reraise 1010-AA+ AQ,AK Preflop.
    4. 3/4 pot at least 85% of flops when checked too.
    5. Fold to a raise on the flop if you dont have a super read and you dont have at least Aces. (2pair+ = at least aces)
    6. Raise/Reraise 2 Pair+sets+ combo draws on flop.
    7. In a raised pot ifyou can beat Aces you have the nuts.
    8. Dont make big laydowns. By the time you can actually think about making a big laydown you are getting too good of a price at the pot to fold.(I.E dont fold sets)

    Ok now you can go make at least 100k a year just knowing that.
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    Looks good. I raise and reraise more hands though. I like losing respect at 6max.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rondavu
    Looks good. I raise and reraise more hands though. I like losing respect at 6max.
    Yes Yes this is fine. I am just saying if you just do this you can still make 100k a year playing poker online.
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    ya dude you get all the money you paid aces for this guide back
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    how bout simple guide for full ring? or is full ring uncool?
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    i think #7 should be changed to "if you beat aces in a raised pot"

    its bad advice in unraised pots
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    Quote Originally Posted by ilikeaces86
    1. Maintain somehwere between a 15-25% vpip and 7-15% PFR.
    So limp like 40% of the time you are in? Limp early, raise late?
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    Quote Originally Posted by martindcx1e
    how bout simple guide for full ring? or is full ring uncool?
    Same thing but lower your VPIP to 15% and your PFR to 8% and your good to go.
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    Default Re: ilikeaces86 simple way to beat 6max NL

    Quote Originally Posted by ilikeaces86
    1. Maintain somehwere between a 15-25% vpip and 7-15% PFR.
    2. Raise lots of hands in late position and fewer hands in early position.
    3. Reraise 1010-AA+ AQ,AK Preflop.
    4. 3/4 pot at least 85% of flops when checked too.
    5. Fold to a raise on the flop if you dont have a super read and you dont have at least Aces. (2pair+ = at least aces)
    6. Raise/Reraise 2 Pair+sets+ combo draws on flop.
    7. If you can beat Aces you have the nuts.
    8. Dont make big laydowns. By the time you can actually think about making a big laydown you are getting too good of a price at the pot to fold.(I.E dont fold sets)

    Ok now you can go make at least 100k a year just knowing that.
    to do a gabe and paraphrase this.

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    Default Re: ilikeaces86 simple way to beat 6max NL

    Quote Originally Posted by ilikeaces86
    4. 3/4 pot at least 85% of flops when checked too.
    I think this could be a huge leak at low stakes.
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    ilikeaces, what is your variance like at 3/6?

    its seems to be pretty bad for gabe
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renton
    ilikeaces, what is your variance like at 3/6?

    its seems to be pretty bad for gabe
    Pretty low variance
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    i would imagine that gabes style is higher variance/winrate than that of yours
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miffed22001
    to do a gabe and paraphrase this.

    Quote Originally Posted by Renton
    Make sets
    get paid.
    My new strategy is better:

    Make Quads.
    Stack Renton.

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    Default Re: ilikeaces86 simple way to beat 6max NL

    Quote Originally Posted by Irisheyes
    Quote Originally Posted by ilikeaces86
    4. 3/4 pot at least 85% of flops when checked too.
    I think this could be a huge leak at low stakes.

    Nope, it isn't, I can assure you. Well, maybe at $10 where you have 4+ people seeing the flop, but if you bet and isolate PF like you're supposed to you'll be fine.
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    Default Re: ilikeaces86 simple way to beat 6max NL

    Quote Originally Posted by ilikeaces86
    1. Maintain somehwere between a 15-25% vpip and 7-15% PFR.
    2. ???
    3. ???
    4. ???
    5. ???
    6. ???
    7. ???
    8. ???
    9. Profit

    Ok now you can go make at least 100k a year just knowing that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
    Quote Originally Posted by ilikeaces86
    1. Get dealt AA
    2. Profit
    standard ilikeaces86
    FYP
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    ilikeaces just aims to break-even in the 10-20 hand stretches between the hands where he has AA. Then profit strikes.

    When he doesn't get AA for more than 20 hands, that is called a downswing.
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    Default Re: ilikeaces86 simple way to beat 6max NL

    Quote Originally Posted by ilikeaces86
    Quote Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
    Quote Originally Posted by ilikeaces86
    1. Get dealt AA
    2. Profit
    standard ilikeaces86
    FYP

    its the ??????? that make it quality.
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    Thanks for the advise ilikeaces86. I am glad that my stats look good but are at the higher end of 25/10. Funny enough my PFR at Full Tilt is only 7 (for some reason I can't make a buck there) and at Poker Stars its 12 (creaming the $25NL 6-max).

    I almost always bet 1/2-3/4 of the pot if checked to and it only happens rarely someone c/r or calls. That usually happens in 3+ multiway pots but against 2 opp it works a treat hence raise pre-flop!!
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    Default Re: ilikeaces86 simple way to beat 6max NL

    Quote Originally Posted by biondino
    Quote Originally Posted by Irisheyes
    Quote Originally Posted by ilikeaces86
    4. 3/4 pot at least 85% of flops when checked too.
    I think this could be a huge leak at low stakes.

    Nope, it isn't, I can assure you. Well, maybe at $10 where you have 4+ people seeing the flop, but if you bet and isolate PF like you're supposed to you'll be fine.
    I have to say this is wrong - I have been playing the PL25 tables at Holdem Poker and you cannot GET people out preflop or on the flop - I'll be in the BB with KK, 5 people will limp (or even raise) and after I pot it for $5+, I still get 4-5 callers - Its ridonkulous...That never happened at Full Tilt, so I think it depends on the site...But you cannot get people to fold preflop at Holdem...So i'm going to have to agree with Irish and quote the old saying "you can't bluff a calling station" - I learned this the hard way after a few nights of my usual somewhat "tricky" play and they just kept calling and calling and calling - Nice thing is when i've got a monster, im getting paid - I think where players are aware, yeah, you definitely want to bet when you've got that much weakness...But against calling stations that doesn't work - I only use it at Full Tilt so people see me as playing lots of hands and then they try to "trap me", but it's easy to spot them....anyway, depending on the site, you can't just try to run over them - The only reason im betting with nothing is to keep my image looser so people don't get out of the way when i hit -

    excellent 6 max advice, for sure aces - Thanks
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    PL is totally different for god knows what reason - it's like the fact you can't bet more than the pot is a licence to call any pre-flop or flop bet.

    At 25NL it by and large works, and when it doesn't - there'll be tables when it doesn't, maybe 25% of them - you'll quickly realise it.
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    well, i didn't want to segregate the PL because the PL tables at 25/25 hit $10-13 avg pots over there on 75% of the tables...$40 - $70 pots are not uncommon. So despite the lack of being able to get all in right from the go, they manage to get all in a lot...the pot avg. is much higher than 90% of the 25NL tables i've played at/seen (except late saturday nights - so it doesn't seem different than NL to me -
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    Quote Originally Posted by ilikeaces86
    1. Maintain somehwere between a 15-25% vpip and 7-15% PFR.
    I'm trying to learn 6 max. What is your starting hand range in order to reach around the top part of this vp$p? Of that starting hand range, what ones are you raising to reach your PFR range? And how much are you raising PF? Also is your raise consistant across your starting hand range (the ones your raising), or is it different depending on the hand?
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    This is for 3/6 I guess? I'm pretty sure following these rules exactly combined with a little bit of hand reading skills should enable people to beat some 5/10 games as well, but not all of them. Very good post btw, now I gotta find a way to maximize profits against someone who plays exactly like this
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    hahahaha
    ilikeaces you are either an asshole or an idiot for posting this
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    Quote Originally Posted by PU$$Y
    hahahaha
    ilikeaces you are either an asshole or an idiot for posting this
    So are you saying this is not the way to play 6 max?
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    Very good post btw, now I gotta find a way to maximize profits against someone who plays exactly like this
    Steal?
    Reraise?

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    3. Reraise 1010-AA+ AQ,AK Preflop.
    How much to you like to reraise?

    pot + call * 2?

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    Well at least raising all decent draws big on the flop as well as being willing to get all in with TPTK or overpair on draw-heavy flops, as well as other stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ilikeaces86
    1. Maintain somehwere between a 15-25% vpip and 7-15% PFR.
    2. Raise lots of hands in late position and fewer hands in early position.
    3. Reraise 1010-AA+ AQ,AK Preflop.
    4. 3/4 pot at least 85% of flops when checked too.
    5. Fold to a raise on the flop if you dont have a super read and you dont have at least Aces. (2pair+ = at least aces)
    6. Raise/Reraise 2 Pair+sets+ combo draws on flop.
    7. If you can beat Aces you have the nuts.
    8. Dont make big laydowns. By the time you can actually think about making a big laydown you are getting too good of a price at the pot to fold.(I.E dont fold sets)

    Ok now you can go make at least 100k a year just knowing that.
    #2 I assume you advocate limp-calling 66- EP? Are you often raising A3s CO with a limper? This is the part I've flipflopped on a couple times. I tend to raise PPs from all positions except the blinds. I also do raise hands like A3s with a limper ahead in the cutoff to keep my raising and aggression high. In reality I try to raise most/all hands I play except from the blinds. However, that means every hand I play is a larger pot than average and by the time I figure out my hand strength vs. my opponent, it's a pot worth fighting over (for both of us). Sometimes this works well, other times I get crushed. I'm thinking of limp/calling more with low pockets and tricky hands. I'm at like 19/13 now.

    Thoughts?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rondavu
    I like losing respect at 6max.
    I do too, but the sad fact is it doesn't take much and there isn't much to lose.

    The hardest part about 6 max is swapping my gears. I do better when I start out with a big pot game then shift to a small pot game when the players are exploitable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rabid Dog
    Quote Originally Posted by ilikeaces86
    1. Maintain somehwere between a 15-25% vpip and 7-15% PFR.
    I'm trying to learn 6 max. What is your starting hand range in order to reach around the top part of this vp$p? Of that starting hand range, what ones are you raising to reach your PFR range? And how much are you raising PF? Also is your raise consistant across your starting hand range (the ones your raising), or is it different depending on the hand?
    My 6max VP is around 25 and I play the following (raising about 1/2 the time, dependent on strength of cards and, more importantly, position + previous action):

    All pocket pairs in all positions
    AJ-AK in all positions
    AT, KQ, KJ from most positions
    Axs, Kxs and Ax when appropriate (limping Axs and Kxs after limpers, raising Axo on button or CO when folded to)
    45s+ from most positions
    QJ, 45+ from LP
    57s, 57+, KT when appropriate
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    Oh, and my standard raise is 4x (if I open) and 5x or 6x if there are limper(s) before me. I am thinking of reducing to 3x on certain tables as I feel I lose a bit of value sometimes.
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    C-Bet. Is it automatic whether you hit the flop or not everytime you raise pre-flop? And how much to c-bet? 1/2-3/4 pot?
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    not automatic, that is way too easily exploitable
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    of course it's exploitable if you don't introduce random variation. ANY style that doesn't vary is easily exploitable. that should be assumed.

    this list is to midstakes players as a good starting hand chart is to lowstakes players. once players realize that a hand chart guarantees a minimum amount of success while inherently preventing a maximum amount of success, they drop the chart in favor of applying their aquired skill in order to make more money. most low level fish never make it this far upstream.

    this list is the new starting hand chart for players who have realized that hand charts are for shit. at some point, if one is to become a truly excellent player, they will eventually drop this list, too. but until that evolution is realized, most players are going to be best served by following these guidelines.
    In answer to your question... it depends...
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    This post should be stickied in shorthanded forum.
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    they are all spot on except #7, amend 'in a raised pot' or something.
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    This post should be stickied in shorthanded forum.
    This mini guide has improved my shorthanded play a lot!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gabe
    they are all spot on except #7, amend 'in a raised pot' or something.

    Dude you have to stop talking about rule number seven. Reread it ! That is exactly what he says. In a raised pot if you can beat aces you have the nuts................
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elexshun
    Quote Originally Posted by gabe
    they are all spot on except #7, amend 'in a raised pot' or something.

    Dude you have to stop talking about rule number seven. Reread it ! That is exactly what he says. In a raised pot if you can beat aces you have the nuts................
    Quote Originally Posted by ilikeaces86
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    Quote Originally Posted by Warpe
    Quote Originally Posted by Elexshun
    Quote Originally Posted by gabe
    they are all spot on except #7, amend 'in a raised pot' or something.

    Dude you have to stop talking about rule number seven. Reread it ! That is exactly what he says. In a raised pot if you can beat aces you have the nuts................
    Quote Originally Posted by ilikeaces86
    Last edited by ilikeaces86 on Thu, 14 Sep 2006, 11:49pm; edited 3 times in total
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    Doh ! I apologize Gabe...... New to forum but think it's great. I hope you guys keep it up
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    Are you saying that if you hit top pair and someone raises that you should fold every time?

    i don't understand rule number 5: "Fold to a raise on the flop if you dont have a super read and you don't have at least Aces. (2pair+ = at least aces)". If you fold every raised flop unless you have the nuts I don't think you'd ever show a profit. Should you only use this tactic for tight tables?
    HoldemPoker is the last place I played 6 handed NL ($25) and I remember that there were a lot of players in on every flop and that there was a lot of raising on the flop even with weak hands.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fnord
    Quote Originally Posted by Rondavu
    I like losing respect at 6max.
    I do too, but the sad fact is it doesn't take much and there isn't much to lose.

    The hardest part about 6 max is swapping my gears. I do better when I start out with a big pot game then shift to a small pot game when the players are exploitable.
    I agree whole heartedly. You can show one bluff and get a two hour residual off it.

    Can you explain the big pot small pot thing a little more?
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    Quote Originally Posted by pokerroomace
    Are you saying that if you hit top pair and someone raises that you should fold every time?

    i don't understand rule number 5: "Fold to a raise on the flop if you dont have a super read and you don't have at least Aces. (2pair+ = at least aces)". If you fold every raised flop unless you have the nuts I don't think you'd ever show a profit. Should you only use this tactic for tight tables?
    HoldemPoker is the last place I played 6 handed NL ($25) and I remember that there were a lot of players in on every flop and that there was a lot of raising on the flop even with weak hands.
    The biggest net losing hands in NL are one pair and two pair. Your average 25nl fish, for the most part, has not learned to get away from them against a reasonably competent player who makes sets and gets paid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rondavu
    Quote Originally Posted by Fnord
    Quote Originally Posted by Rondavu
    I like losing respect at 6max.
    I do too, but the sad fact is it doesn't take much and there isn't much to lose.

    The hardest part about 6 max is swapping my gears. I do better when I start out with a big pot game then shift to a small pot game when the players are exploitable.
    I agree whole heartedly. You can show one bluff and get a two hour residual off it.

    Can you explain the big pot small pot thing a little more?
    I like making some thin calls and losing a couple of small pots in early orbits to establish my donktard credentials.
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    i'd like an in-depth explanation of rule #5
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lukie
    rule #9) If you are playing on pokerstars and a fella' named Lukieplaya sits down at your table, Leave. Immediately.
    why? Hes perhaps the most exploitable player in history
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miffed22001
    Quote Originally Posted by Lukie
    rule #9) If you are playing on pokerstars and a fella' named Lukieplaya sits down at your table, Leave. Immediately.
    why? Hes perhaps the most exploitable player in history
    but have you ever seen him when he's running good?




    I didn't think so.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Miffed22001
    Quote Originally Posted by Lukie
    rule #9) If you are playing on pokerstars and a fella' named Lukieplaya sits down at your table, Leave. Immediately.
    why? Hes perhaps the most exploitable player in history
    Interesting statement. Care to elaborate?
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    Lukie is no where near as easy to exploit as the rest of his player pool. If he knows you're a thinking player it's even harder.
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    i'd like an in-depth explanation of rule #5
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renton
    Quote Originally Posted by Renton
    i'd like an in-depth explanation of rule #5
    quality bump.

    i started playing 6max a week ago and read all of this, but #5 is the only one i dont understand. I think this is just over-generalized, but maybe im wrong.
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    #5 is good as a general guideline considering that stacking off with TPTK and small overpairs are a big leak for new players.

    Obviously it depends on the opponent, stack sizes and flop texture but for medium to low online games that aren't that aggressive its much less of a mistake to be overly weak tight in these spots than to be too loose.

    So consider it a starting point from which you learn the exceptions to the rule.
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    Quote Originally Posted by arkana
    #5 is good as a general guideline considering that stacking off with TPTK and small overpairs are a big leak for new players.

    Obviously it depends on the opponent, stack sizes and flop texture but for medium to low online games that aren't that aggressive its much less of a mistake to be overly weak tight in these spots than to be too loose.

    So consider it a starting point from which you learn the exceptions to the rule.
    i need to ingrain this into my brain. its not so much the TPTK hands that i stack off with, its the small overpairs (i.e. TT on a 873r board) that run into 2 pair/sets and get me in huge trouble.
    eeevees are not monies yet...they are like baby monies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bode-ist
    i need to ingrain this into my brain. its not so much the TPTK hands that i stack off with, its the small overpairs (i.e. TT on a 873r board) that run into 2 pair/sets and get me in huge trouble.
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    3. Reraise 1010-AA+ AQ,AK Preflop.
    Need to know what to do on flop when they get called here, what to do when they are 4-bet after 3-betting, and what to do when they are 3-bet after they raise. How players handle these situations matters a lot when it comes to winrate, doing bad here and I think they'd be loosing players, at least at 5/10NL+, and I'd think 3/6NL would be the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iwind
    3. Reraise 1010-AA+ AQ,AK Preflop.
    Need to know what to do on flop when they get called here, what to do when they are 4-bet after 3-betting, and what to do when they are 3-bet after they raise. How players handle these situations matters a lot when it comes to winrate, doing bad here and I think they'd be loosing players, at least at 5/10NL+, and I'd think 3/6NL would be the same.
    Im not writing a poker book here. Just general guidelines obv you have to figure the rest out on your own through experience.
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    Hehe, I know, and they are good guidelines, I just don't think it's all that easy to win so much money
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iwind
    Hehe, I know, and they are good guidelines, I just don't think it's all that easy to win so much money
    Maybe but the games are much tougher now than they were even 3 or 4 months ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ilikeaces86
    Quote Originally Posted by Iwind
    Hehe, I know, and they are good guidelines, I just don't think it's all that easy to win so much money
    Maybe but the games are much tougher now than they were even 3 or 4 months ago.
    I dont agree with that. I think they are at least the same. I remember 5/10 6-max on the old Party being this impossible game full of real sharks and now I play it on Bodog and its half solid players half donkeys. Not that bad.
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    how many tables are running at bodog?
    >3

    this is my favourite part of the post
    it looks like angry boobs
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    im bringing this back because i want to know if these rules all still generally apply to 6-max. I just made the switch over from FR and in my searching around the forum this article was called the best for 6 max strategy. that still true?
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    Nice bump

    6 months ago it was said that the games were much tougher than what was 4 months ago. 6 months on, how are they? Even harder? Or have they improved?
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    Lukie, why in gods name would you unsticky this?
    Check out the new blog!!!
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    number 7 is wrong

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