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    Default Completely standard preflop question.

    What's our standard for suited connectors in the blinds.

    Here's two examples, and for both let's assume villain is a solid TAG.

    1. You're in the small blind with 67ss, Cutoff makes it 3.5x. Are you nearly always doing one thing? (calling/folding), are we 3-betting this much?

    2. You're in the BB with 45ss, button makes it 2.5x. Are we always defending here or sometimes folding/raising depending on dynamics?

    Thanks for any thoughts. I'm rethinking what I do in these spots and I'm not sure what I like the most here, or even what's standard.
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    It always depends of course, but I definitely don't value SC's very high when played from the blinds. I'm almost always folding in the SB vs CO 3.5x unless vil folds to 3bets a good amount. 45s in BB vs BU 2.5x I'll often play and when I do I usually 3bet. Probably close to zero EV but at least it balances my ranges.

    Quick DB leak check: I've got the mid SC's losing slightly less than the amount of the blind in the BB, but slightly more than the blind in the SB so glad you brought it up.


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    Similar to p4's.

    Folding to 3.5 in SB for sure.

    Calling and 3betting sometimes from bb, depending how wide they are stealing. Someone with a low steal I'll just fold.
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    Do people feel it is important to have any SC's in your cold calling range from the BB when CO or BTN opens and SB folds?
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    1) 3bet or fold. Never ever calling unless it's multiway.

    2) It's probably a small leak in most situations to call with 54s from the BB—3bet or fold...usually fold.
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    I was actually thinking of making a thread similar to this last night. There are a few situations in the blinds where I don't know if I should be calling or just folding. For example, Tagg opens from the HJ and we are in the bb with KJo, or a tagg opens from the CO and we are in the sb with A9s.

    I think I may have developed a leak over the last few months by calling with too many marginal hands from the blinds.
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    Yeah, i definitely am working to iron out that same leak JL. I think i'm folding the KJo in your described situation way more than I am the 45s in the BB in my situation. That could be really bad. For a while everyone would say 'pf doesn't really matter, post is all that counts' (I was among those) but I find I am disagreeing with that notion more and more these days, especially if you're multi-tabling and want to avoid spots where you're likely to make big mistakes.
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    Of course, it always depends, but to be profitable with marginal hands when flatting from the blinds to an open you have to be really confident in your postflop play (I know it's a generic statement) but if the only thing you know is "TAG 20/16 opens from the CO" then just fold, if you do have more information on his postflop game, and are confident in yours then play them.

    Also, with SC, they go up in value the deeper you are, and a must for these hands is to be IP.

    I think calling 78s OTB is going to be more profitable than KJo, yet calling KJo form the BB is going to be more profitable than 78s
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    That last statement you made makes sense to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Toadstool View Post
    Of course, it always depends, but to be profitable with marginal hands when flatting from the blinds to an open you have to be really confident in your postflop play (I know it's a generic statement) but if the only thing you know is "TAG 20/16 opens from the CO" then just fold, if you do have more information on his postflop game, and are confident in yours then play them.
    Yah I agree with this. I think a big decision I make in calling pre is how wide they cbet. If someone cbets like 90% I'd much prefer to call pre, since I'd be fairly confident in being able to c/r their cbet and take it down. If someone pot controls a lot, they will be checking flops often, we will be betting turns with a wide/weak range and in a crappy spot on the river where they can easily get to SD if they so choose.

    Though in general I c/r more than most people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Toadstool View Post
    Of course, it always depends, but to be profitable with marginal hands when flatting from the blinds to an open you have to be really confident in your postflop play (I know it's a generic statement) but if the only thing you know is "TAG 20/16 opens from the CO" then just fold, if you do have more information on his postflop game, and are confident in yours then play them.

    Also, with SC, they go up in value the deeper you are, and a must for these hands is to be IP.

    I think calling 78s OTB is going to be more profitable than KJo, yet calling KJo form the BB is going to be more profitable than 78s
    This.

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