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Originally Posted by Shotglass
M2M's question was prolly to try to get you to start thinking about the way you play and the reasons that you do something...
this basically
Originally Posted by lancelott_
Awesome, you were the funniest guy in your class right?
I mean if thats somethings stupid to ask/discuss, i`m sorry i guess.
Not sure if this topic is solved, (at least i`m defenitely not certain how to approach it). If you are a better player, you can just give your advice on this, or just skip the thread, which appears "stupid" to you, and not waste your valuable time
your question isn't stupid at all, but its very complex is depends on a ton of variables.
the one thing about getting better at poker is trying not to develop a sort of 'formula sheet' for each situation you will encounter at the tables - facing a 3bet OOP is an example of such a situation.
so instead of writing out how to play against every single type of opponent there is out there in 3bet pots oop, what you should do is ask yourself this:
regarding 1)a
if we are playing a 4bet/fold game, what things can villain do to exploit us? i.e. how can he tweak his range? his sizing? his frequencies? and so on. to answer this, just ask yourself how you play against someone who only 4bet/folds against your 3bets. its probably a good idea to make a list of pros/cons for never calling 3bets oop. how does villains chosen 3bet range shape say, his cold calling range?
regarding 2)
you are making a blanket statement by blindly assuming all regulars at ssnl or msnl make it difficult for you to call mid pairs oop to a 3bet. you need to think outside the box a bit and go beyond just preflop. how your opponent plays postflop is the key to knowing how many streets to c/c with your bluffcatchers, turn hands into bluffs, etc. this is a tricky spot in poker and there isn't an exact science to it, but what you really need to do is sort of develop a profile for the player you're up against and consider the following: his range, his tendency to barrel you in single raised pots, your image, the positions he likes to bluff in most, stuff like that. inflection points are really critical in spots like this because your range will often at times be narrow/very face up. some players will just cbet/give up when called, others will try barreling you off your hand either all the way to the river, or just the turn. take all factors into account about the player when predicting their ranges in these spots (how many tables, recent history, your image, their perceived image, rate what u think about their thought process, their location, avatar, anything/everything adds up to something to go on)
1b same idea as 2. anytime you don't have the nuts oop, you are going to have to do some thinking and accept that sometimes you'll fuck up. i think fear of making a mistake post flop is why some people play super tight vs 3bets.
Originally Posted by baudib
I think that if you think about why someone would polarize a 3-bet range and what they would hope your response is, you can probably figure out the best way to combat it.
pretty much this. in any poker situation if you understand why someone is doing something then this should often lead you to realize what the correct adjustment(s) is(are).
so if someone is 3betting you with a super polarized range (like say kk+ and air) why might this player be doing this?
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