Ask ISF about a bluff or bluffing

Originally Posted by 1111111

On small limits bluff will play against you. If you think you are good with bluff you have to go at least $10/20 limit.

oh.... glad i know that now

Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan

I like the idea of it obv, its hard to gauge if its good or bad.

Do you think he can ever fold 25? I felt that's what he had like really often, but then I also felt that he rarely has clubs and that it's much more conceivable I have clubs a lot more often...

I disagree about him having 25 the most often. He limped pre, so id think it'd have to be 25s. 75 is probably more likely.

Does he fold it? As I said its just really tough to tell if I'm not the one playing the match. I'd say he probably doesn't fold it, but i would think its very plausible he folds his two pair hands a majority of the time.

Hey ISF. I didnt see a ton of tourney stuff in here so I thought I would post this and see what your thoughts are.

Villain had been semi lagg but really tightened up in the last 8-10 orbits. His c-bet seemed pretty standard. I figured he would lay down all air hands and only call with QQ+.

Thoughts?


PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $20+$2 Tournament, 8000/16000 Blinds 1600 Ante (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

CO (t641729)
Button (t98215)
SB (t843860)
BB (t69696)
UTG (t951183)
Hero (MP) (t579766)

Hero's M: 17.25

Preflop: Hero is MP with A, K
1 fold, Hero bets t40000, 2 folds, SB raises to t116200, 1 fold, Hero calls t76200

Flop: (t258000) 8, 7, 9 (2 players)
SB bets t152200, [color=#CC3333]Hero raises to t461966 (All-In)

Originally Posted by revolvingiris

Hey ISF. I didnt see a ton of tourney stuff in here so I thought I would post this and see what your thoughts are.

Villain had been semi lagg but really tightened up in the last 8-10 orbits. His c-bet seemed pretty standard. I figured he would lay down all air hands and only call with QQ+.

Thoughts?


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CO (t641729)
Button (t98215)
SB (t843860)
BB (t69696)
UTG (t951183)
Hero (MP) (t579766)

Hero's M: 17.25

Preflop: Hero is MP with A, K
1 fold, Hero bets t40000, 2 folds, SB raises to t116200, 1 fold, Hero calls t76200

Flop: (t258000) 8, 7, 9 (2 players)
SB bets t152200, [color=#CC3333]Hero raises to t461966 (All-In)

Shoving pre seems standard here if opp is threebetting light. You have a perfect shoving stack here.

Flop is standard your equity is too good against his range. And there's prob some FE.

This is from the daily $200 6-max tournament. I don't recognize MP but he's an unknown who open limped so I'm assuming he's bad. The CO is a slightly losing reg who isn't aggressive enough, I think he limps behind a ton of hands here that he should be isolating with. I don't think he's the type to make a big call on the river.

Do you like this bluff? If so, would you still like it with no reads on CO?

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UTG (t3485)
MP (t3760)
CO (t5820)
Button (t9495)
SB (t1745)
Hero (BB) (t4875)

Hero's M: 20.31

Preflop: Hero is BB with 5, 3
1 fold, MP calls t160, CO calls t160, 2 folds, Hero checks

Flop: (t560) 6, K, 7 (3 players)
Hero checks, MP checks, CO checks

Turn: (t560) Q (3 players)
Hero bets t400, MP calls t400, CO calls t400

River: (t1760) 7 (3 players)
Hero bets t1350

Originally Posted by mcatdog

This is from the daily $200 6-max tournament. I don't recognize MP but he's an unknown who open limped so I'm assuming he's bad. The CO is a slightly losing reg who isn't aggressive enough, I think he limps behind a ton of hands here that he should be isolating with. I don't think he's the type to make a big call on the river.

Do you like this bluff? If so, would you still like it with no reads on CO?

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UTG (t3485)
MP (t3760)
CO (t5820)
Button (t9495)
SB (t1745)
Hero (BB) (t4875)

Hero's M: 20.31

Preflop: Hero is BB with 5, 3
1 fold, MP calls t160, CO calls t160, 2 folds, Hero checks

Flop: (t560) 6, K, 7 (3 players)
Hero checks, MP checks, CO checks

Turn: (t560) Q (3 players)
Hero bets t400, MP calls t400, CO calls t400

River: (t1760) 7 (3 players)
Hero bets t1350

I think its reasonable. There is some, although small, probability that CO has a 7. MP less likely. MP could possibly have a king too. I think the bluff is pretty marginal I think you should be something like 850-1050 to give you better odds on your bluff, i doubt their calling ranges change.

$0.25/$0.5 No Limit Holdem
5 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($65.30)
CO ($77.95)
BTN ($53.80)
SB ($53.00)
Hero (BB) ($51.00)

Pre-flop: ($0.75, 5 players) Hero is BB
3 folds, SB calls $0.25, Hero raises to $2, SB calls $1.50

Flop: ($4, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $3, SB calls $3

Turn: ($10, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($10, 2 players)
SB bets $6.50, Hero raises to $18 ...

I have about 100 hands with villain. He's 36/20/3.0 so far. He's not been insanely aggressive, but I keep noticing him pouncing on weakness. His OOP bet vs missed cbet (small sample I know) is 71% after 7 chances, all occured on turn or river.

villain is 28/11/2.3
3bet 5.9

fold to cbet 27%

I'm assuming my combo draws are GOOD. i barrel the river expecting him to fold an ace with a non-premium kicker.
is it just not worth bluffing this river because opp isn't a reg and probably not capable of hand reading and thinking about ranges?

he had exactly what I put him on and he called. would a shove work more frequently you think?

$0.5/$1 No Limit Holdem
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG marco.polo ($47.50)
UTG+1 Thrym ($111.05)
CO ferantonio ($31.25)
BTN matpio ($101.60)
SB Hero ($99.00)
BB Stylika ($100.00)

Pre-flop: ($1.50, 6 players) Hero is SB
4 folds, Hero raises to $3, Stylika calls $2

Flop: ($6, 2 players)
Hero bets $5, Stylika calls $5

Turn: ($16, 2 players)
Hero bets $12, Stylika calls $12

River: ($40, 2 players)
Hero bets $32, Stylika calls $32

Final Pot: $104

Originally Posted by Hawkfan79

$0.25/$0.5 No Limit Holdem
5 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($65.30)
CO ($77.95)
BTN ($53.80)
SB ($53.00)
Hero (BB) ($51.00)

Pre-flop: ($0.75, 5 players) Hero is BB
3 folds, SB calls $0.25, Hero raises to $2, SB calls $1.50

Flop: ($4, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $3, SB calls $3

Turn: ($10, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($10, 2 players)
SB bets $6.50, Hero raises to $18 ...

I have about 100 hands with villain. He's 36/20/3.0 so far. He's not been insanely aggressive, but I keep noticing him pouncing on weakness. His OOP bet vs missed cbet (small sample I know) is 71% after 7 chances, all occured on turn or river.

Double barrel this turn.

On the river, he's not folding anything he's legitimately value betting and your ace high is good here sometimes. This raise is unnecessary, just hero call this if you want.

Originally Posted by griffey24

Originally Posted by Hawkfan79

$0.25/$0.5 No Limit Holdem
5 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($65.30)
CO ($77.95)
BTN ($53.80)
SB ($53.00)
Hero (BB) ($51.00)

Pre-flop: ($0.75, 5 players) Hero is BB
3 folds, SB calls $0.25, Hero raises to $2, SB calls $1.50

Flop: ($4, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $3, SB calls $3

Turn: ($10, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($10, 2 players)
SB bets $6.50, Hero raises to $18 ...

I have about 100 hands with villain. He's 36/20/3.0 so far. He's not been insanely aggressive, but I keep noticing him pouncing on weakness. His OOP bet vs missed cbet (small sample I know) is 71% after 7 chances, all occured on turn or river.

Double barrel this turn.

On the river, he's not folding anything he's legitimately value betting and your ace high is good here sometimes. This raise is unnecessary, just hero call this if you want.

Exactly right. Your either good or he has something that is very unlikely to fold to a raise.

Originally Posted by bspahn

villain is 28/11/2.3
3bet 5.9

fold to cbet 27%

I'm assuming my combo draws are GOOD. i barrel the river expecting him to fold an ace with a non-premium kicker.
is it just not worth bluffing this river because opp isn't a reg and probably not capable of hand reading and thinking about ranges?

he had exactly what I put him on and he called. would a shove work more frequently you think?

$0.5/$1 No Limit Holdem
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG marco.polo ($47.50)
UTG+1 Thrym ($111.05)
CO ferantonio ($31.25)
BTN matpio ($101.60)
SB Hero ($99.00)
BB Stylika ($100.00)

Pre-flop: ($1.50, 6 players) Hero is SB
4 folds, Hero raises to $3, Stylika calls $2

Flop: ($6, 2 players)
Hero bets $5, Stylika calls $5

Turn: ($16, 2 players)
Hero bets $12, Stylika calls $12

River: ($40, 2 players)
Hero bets $32, Stylika calls $32

Final Pot: $104

This is fine even though he called. It's fine to overbet as well but i doubt you'd do it with a made hand so just bet close to pot like you did.

Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan

Originally Posted by bspahn

villain is 28/11/2.3
3bet 5.9

fold to cbet 27%

I'm assuming my combo draws are GOOD. i barrel the river expecting him to fold an ace with a non-premium kicker.
is it just not worth bluffing this river because opp isn't a reg and probably not capable of hand reading and thinking about ranges?

he had exactly what I put him on and he called. would a shove work more frequently you think?

$0.5/$1 No Limit Holdem
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG marco.polo ($47.50)
UTG+1 Thrym ($111.05)
CO ferantonio ($31.25)
BTN matpio ($101.60)
SB Hero ($99.00)
BB Stylika ($100.00)

Pre-flop: ($1.50, 6 players) Hero is SB
4 folds, Hero raises to $3, Stylika calls $2

Flop: ($6, 2 players)
Hero bets $5, Stylika calls $5

Turn: ($16, 2 players)
Hero bets $12, Stylika calls $12

River: ($40, 2 players)
Hero bets $32, Stylika calls $32

Final Pot: $104

This is fine even though he called. It's fine to overbet as well but i doubt you'd do it with a made hand so just bet close to pot like you did.

ISF,

I'll use the same betsizing when i value bet, and having this history I can do this with AK/2pr+ and at any point fold a lot of that to reraises.

Hi, here's my hand:
NL Holdem $0.50(BB) Replayer
SB ($9.50)
Hero ($50)
UTG ($50)
CO ($109)
BTN ($49.73)

Dealt to Hero 7 9

fold, fold, BTN raises to $1.50, fold, Hero raises to $5.50, BTN calls $4

FLOP ($11.25) 4 A Q

Hero bets $7.50, BTN calls $7.50

TURN ($26.25) 4 A Q Q

Hero checks, BTN bets $9, Hero raises to $37 (AI), BTN folds

Villain is a regular playing at 21/17/2.3, 56% fold to 3-bet and 55% fold to c-bet.
On the turn I had given up but his gaybet made me think he could have floated me with some garbage hand or he's doing a thin value bet with a hand like KK or even JJ, rarely AK. He could also be having something like QQ and AA but I think his range is more inclined to other holdings. I'm not sure if he'd fold KK or JJ though, our line doesn't make much sense - we're representing only AQ/KQ and he probably won't fall for that. So I guess he had air and we just bluffed him with the best hand
Any thoughts?

Villain was 17/15 with a cb of 0%! over 129 hands

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UTG ($102.40)
MP ($98.50)
Hero (CO) ($238.05)
Button ($45.05)
SB ($215.15)
BB ($105.60)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 7, 8
UTG bets $3, 1 fold, Hero calls $3, 2 folds, BB calls $2

Flop: ($9.50) 9, 2, 10 (3 players)
BB checks, UTG bets $7, Hero calls $7, 1 fold

Turn: ($23.50) 4 (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $14, UTG raises to $36, Hero calls $22

River: ($95.50) A (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $57

I'm thinking I should have checked behind the turn, but as played do you like it?

Originally Posted by zeno

Hi, here's my hand:
NL Holdem $0.50(BB) Replayer
SB ($9.50)
Hero ($50)
UTG ($50)
CO ($109)
BTN ($49.73)

Dealt to Hero 7 9

fold, fold, BTN raises to $1.50, fold, Hero raises to $5.50, BTN calls $4

FLOP ($11.25) 4 A Q

Hero bets $7.50, BTN calls $7.50

TURN ($26.25) 4 A Q Q

Hero checks, BTN bets $9, Hero raises to $37 (AI), BTN folds

Villain is a regular playing at 21/17/2.3, 56% fold to 3-bet and 55% fold to c-bet.
On the turn I had given up but his gaybet made me think he could have floated me with some garbage hand or he's doing a thin value bet with a hand like KK or even JJ, rarely AK. He could also be having something like QQ and AA but I think his range is more inclined to other holdings. I'm not sure if he'd fold KK or JJ though, our line doesn't make much sense - we're representing only AQ/KQ and he probably won't fall for that. So I guess he had air and we just bluffed him with the best hand
Any thoughts?

First off, you don't have any equity when called, so we need this to work about 45% of the time for it to be good. That being said I don't see why you don't think this is KQ/AQ/AA/QQ a lot? It really seems like his most likely holding. You'd have to think he would check behind all those hands and KK/JJ/AK... and I can't saw we can think that. This seems pretty bad imo.

Originally Posted by Parasurama

Villain was 17/15 with a cb of 0%! over 129 hands

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UTG ($102.40)
MP ($98.50)
Hero (CO) ($238.05)
Button ($45.05)
SB ($215.15)
BB ($105.60)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 7, 8
UTG bets $3, 1 fold, Hero calls $3, 2 folds, BB calls $2

Flop: ($9.50) 9, 2, 10 (3 players)
BB checks, UTG bets $7, Hero calls $7, 1 fold

Turn: ($23.50) 4 (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $14, UTG raises to $36, Hero calls $22

River: ($95.50) A (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $57

I'm thinking I should have checked behind the turn, but as played do you like it?

I would have checked behind the turn just because I doubt he's folding. His range is very strong after he bets the flop threeway after a UTG raise. He could fold AK/AQ but he may even hold onto that you never know.

River is close. I want to say check behind because I'm betting you he either has AK/AQ that c/r as a bluff and is pussing out on river, or JJ-KK and I just don't trust anyone to fold a hand that strong at 100nl. The one thing I like about this bluff is if your range seems like it has mostly diamond flushes in it, so bluffing here is not only very credible but probably optimal versus a opponent who can fold. I'm not sure I believe this opponent can fold because he already took a totally retarded line (c/ring the turn with anything seems terrible here).

I'll rate this bluff highly though.

this guy only bluffs in standard spots (c/r flop, 3b light pre, etc.)
so I was pretty sure given his bet sizing he was just going for some thin-ish value and I could rep Tx type of hand that would check flop back

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BB ($116.20)
Hero (SB) ($212)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A, 3
Hero bets $3, BB calls $2

Flop: ($6) K, 7, 9 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($6) J (2 players)
BB bets $6, Hero calls $6

River: ($18) Q (2 players)
BB bets $10, Hero raises to $31

Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan

Originally Posted by Parasurama

Villain was 17/15 with a cb of 0%! over 129 hands

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UTG ($102.40)
MP ($98.50)
Hero (CO) ($238.05)
Button ($45.05)
SB ($215.15)
BB ($105.60)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 7, 8
UTG bets $3, 1 fold, Hero calls $3, 2 folds, BB calls $2

Flop: ($9.50) 9, 2, 10 (3 players)
BB checks, UTG bets $7, Hero calls $7, 1 fold

Turn: ($23.50) 4 (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $14, UTG raises to $36, Hero calls $22

River: ($95.50) A (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $57

I'm thinking I should have checked behind the turn, but as played do you like it?

I would have checked behind the turn just because I doubt he's folding. His range is very strong after he bets the flop threeway after a UTG raise. He could fold AK/AQ but he may even hold onto that you never know.

River is close. I want to say check behind because I'm betting you he either has AK/AQ that c/r as a bluff and is pussing out on river, or JJ-KK and I just don't trust anyone to fold a hand that strong at 100nl. The one thing I like about this bluff is if your range seems like it has mostly diamond flushes in it, so bluffing here is not only very credible but probably optimal versus a opponent who can fold. I'm not sure I believe this opponent can fold because he already took a totally retarded line (c/ring the turn with anything seems terrible here).

I'll rate this bluff highly though.

Thanks, good thoughts. He tanked and folded with like 5 secs left in his time bank. I don't think this particular villain could ever have AK/AQ without a flush draw here. As soon as I bet the turn I kicked myself because I knew he wasn't betting the flop w/out an overpair/set. I thought my bet was particularly good because I have way more A's and flushes in my range so he's like forced to fold JJ-KK, which is the biggest part of his range imo.

I agree that his line is retarded but I also think bad players who buy-in full are way too scared of flushes all the time so that led me to bet.

Originally Posted by iopq

this guy only bluffs in standard spots (c/r flop, 3b light pre, etc.)
so I was pretty sure given his bet sizing he was just going for some thin-ish value and I could rep Tx type of hand that would check flop back

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BB ($116.20)
Hero (SB) ($212)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A, 3
Hero bets $3, BB calls $2

Flop: ($6) K, 7, 9 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($6) J (2 players)
BB bets $6, Hero calls $6

River: ($18) Q (2 players)
BB bets $10, Hero raises to $31

Unless you were absolutely positive he checks the turn with JT/T9/KT then I think its -EV.

two similar hands, repping flushes or better on the river

hand 1: this guy seemed really aggressive pre, his stats where 34/31/12 (3b)
we're 200BB deep, not sure if KQ is a call

but I checked my draw back on the turn after thinking about it for a second, so I figured that I could in fact check the flush draw back, so I made a raise that looks value-ish

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BB ($14.75)
UTG ($103.65)
MP ($180.35)
Hero (CO) ($202)
Button ($97.10)
SB ($369.75)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K, Q
2 folds, Hero bets $3, 1 fold, SB raises to $11, 1 fold, Hero calls $8

Flop: ($23) 7, 10, 9 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $14, SB calls $14

Turn: ($51) 4 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($51) 2 (2 players)
SB bets $29, Hero raises to $81


hand 2: guy is a 25/21/8.3 (3b) reg I only have 70 hands on him and I've been mostly stealing his blinds all day
maybe it's more credible if I continue barreling the turn?

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CO ($114.40)
Button ($86.20)
Hero (SB) ($100)
BB ($110.50)
UTG ($228.20)
MP ($100)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 6, 7
3 folds, Button calls $1, Hero calls $0.50, BB checks

Flop: ($3) 8, A, 9 (3 players)
Hero bets $2, BB calls $2, 1 fold

Turn: ($7) 9 (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $4, Hero calls $4

River: ($15) Q (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $10, Hero raises to $31

Hand 1: I think is good. Although, threebarrelling seems much better.

Hand 2: I'd barrel turn, this bluff as played seems really bad, it seems to me his most likely holding is a 9 or a flush.

Two bluffs both at the new 1/2 deep ante tables:

1st hand:
Villain was running 22/17, 3bet % of 10 over an 80 hand sample, he's very likely to be a reg, He's raised 50% of c-bets up to this point and most of the 3betting he has done was from the blinds. There was no other relevant history except that he may or may not have seen me stack off for 150bb on 567r w/ A8 in 3b pot (I was 3bettor) though it wasn't against him.

Full Tilt Poker Game #13819519899: Table Sanction (6 max, ante, deep) - $1/$2 Ante $0.30 - No Limit Hold'em - 18:35:30 ET - 2009/08/04
Seat 1: MF28 ($823.35)
Seat 2: DrMelle ($841.10)
Seat 3: dajatt13 ($181.20)
Seat 4: zzDaGR1NDzz7 ($465.50)
Seat 5: ggnoobs ($483.70)
Seat 6: ali_Fr3Ak ($200)
ggnoobs antes $0.30
DrMelle antes $0.30
zzDaGR1NDzz7 antes $0.30
dajatt13 antes $0.30
MF28 antes $0.30
5 seconds left to act
DrMelle posts the small blind of $1
dajatt13 posts the big blind of $2
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to MF28 [6d 7s]
zzDaGR1NDzz7 folds
ggnoobs folds
MF28 raises to $6
DrMelle calls $5
dajatt13 folds
*** FLOP *** [9d 9s 8d]
DrMelle checks
MF28 bets $12
DrMelle has 15 seconds left to act
DrMelle raises to $36
MF28 has 15 seconds left to act
MF28 raises to $92
DrMelle has 15 seconds left to act
DrMelle calls $56
*** TURN *** [9d 9s 8d] [7d]
DrMelle checks
MF28 has 15 seconds left to act
MF28 has requested TIME
MF28 bets $164
DrMelle has 15 seconds left to act
DrMelle calls $164
*** RIVER *** [9d 9s 8d 7d] [8h]
DrMelle checks
MF28 has 15 seconds left to act
MF28 has requested TIME
MF28 bets $275

2nd hand: Villain was running 24/20 over 200 hand sample w/ 4bet range of 2.3% No other relevant history.


Full Tilt Poker Game #13819744688: Table Branbury (6 max, ante, deep) - $1/$2 Ante $0.30 - No Limit Hold'em - 18:46:08 ET - 2009/08/04
Seat 1: schappuscha ($438.45)
Seat 2: DrGaskopf ($489.85)
Seat 3: tehmaulwurf ($858.05)
Seat 4: FlogMyLog ($505.50)
Seat 5: MF28 ($782)
Seat 6: pinocchiohello ($76.55)
pinocchiohello antes $0.30
schappuscha antes $0.30
FlogMyLog antes $0.30
MF28 antes $0.30
tehmaulwurf antes $0.30
DrGaskopf antes $0.30
pinocchiohello posts the small blind of $1
schappuscha posts the big blind of $2
The button is in seat #5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to MF28 [9h Qc]
DrGaskopf folds
tehmaulwurf raises to $8.80
FlogMyLog calls $8.80
MF28 raises to $40
pinocchiohello folds
schappuscha has 15 seconds left to act
schappuscha folds
tehmaulwurf calls $31.20
FlogMyLog folds
*** FLOP *** [8s Kc Jc]
tehmaulwurf checks
MF28 bets $62
tehmaulwurf calls $62
*** TURN *** [8s Kc Jc] [9s]
tehmaulwurf checks
MF28 has 15 seconds left to act
MF28 has requested TIME
MF28 bets $155
tehmaulwurf has 15 seconds left to act
tehmaulwurf calls $155
*** RIVER *** [8s Kc Jc 9s] [3s]
tehmaulwurf checks
MF28 bets $524.70, and is all in

V is 36/25/2 over 42 hands
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SB ($59.85)
BB ($133.45)
UTG ($100.90)
MP ($106.50)
CO ($134.15)
Hero (Button) ($107.60)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 5, 3
2 folds, CO bets $3.50, Hero calls $3.50, 2 folds

Flop: ($8.50) K, 4, 10 (2 players)
CO bets $6, Hero raises $12, CO calls $6

Turn: ($32.50) 7 (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $21.10, CO calls $21.10

River: ($74.70) 9 (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $71 (All-In)

Originally Posted by Marshall28

Two bluffs both at the new 1/2 deep ante tables:

1st hand:
Villain was running 22/17, 3bet % of 10 over an 80 hand sample, he's very likely to be a reg, He's raised 50% of c-bets up to this point and most of the 3betting he has done was from the blinds. There was no other relevant history except that he may or may not have seen me stack off for 150bb on 567r w/ A8 in 3b pot (I was 3bettor) though it wasn't against him.

Full Tilt Poker Game #13819519899: Table Sanction (6 max, ante, deep) - $1/$2 Ante $0.30 - No Limit Hold'em - 18:35:30 ET - 2009/08/04
Seat 1: MF28 ($823.35)
Seat 2: DrMelle ($841.10)
Seat 3: dajatt13 ($181.20)
Seat 4: zzDaGR1NDzz7 ($465.50)
Seat 5: ggnoobs ($483.70)
Seat 6: ali_Fr3Ak ($200)
ggnoobs antes $0.30
DrMelle antes $0.30
zzDaGR1NDzz7 antes $0.30
dajatt13 antes $0.30
MF28 antes $0.30
5 seconds left to act
DrMelle posts the small blind of $1
dajatt13 posts the big blind of $2
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to MF28 [6d 7s]
zzDaGR1NDzz7 folds
ggnoobs folds
MF28 raises to $6
DrMelle calls $5
dajatt13 folds
*** FLOP *** [9d 9s 8d]
DrMelle checks
MF28 bets $12
DrMelle has 15 seconds left to act
DrMelle raises to $36
MF28 has 15 seconds left to act
MF28 raises to $92
DrMelle has 15 seconds left to act
DrMelle calls $56
*** TURN *** [9d 9s 8d] [7d]
DrMelle checks
MF28 has 15 seconds left to act
MF28 has requested TIME
MF28 bets $164
DrMelle has 15 seconds left to act
DrMelle calls $164
*** RIVER *** [9d 9s 8d 7d] [8h]
DrMelle checks
MF28 has 15 seconds left to act
MF28 has requested TIME
MF28 bets $275

2nd hand: Villain was running 24/20 over 200 hand sample w/ 4bet range of 2.3% No other relevant history.


Full Tilt Poker Game #13819744688: Table Branbury (6 max, ante, deep) - $1/$2 Ante $0.30 - No Limit Hold'em - 18:46:08 ET - 2009/08/04
Seat 1: schappuscha ($438.45)
Seat 2: DrGaskopf ($489.85)
Seat 3: tehmaulwurf ($858.05)
Seat 4: FlogMyLog ($505.50)
Seat 5: MF28 ($782)
Seat 6: pinocchiohello ($76.55)
pinocchiohello antes $0.30
schappuscha antes $0.30
FlogMyLog antes $0.30
MF28 antes $0.30
tehmaulwurf antes $0.30
DrGaskopf antes $0.30
pinocchiohello posts the small blind of $1
schappuscha posts the big blind of $2
The button is in seat #5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to MF28 [9h Qc]
DrGaskopf folds
tehmaulwurf raises to $8.80
FlogMyLog calls $8.80
MF28 raises to $40
pinocchiohello folds
schappuscha has 15 seconds left to act
schappuscha folds
tehmaulwurf calls $31.20
FlogMyLog folds
*** FLOP *** [8s Kc Jc]
tehmaulwurf checks
MF28 bets $62
tehmaulwurf calls $62
*** TURN *** [8s Kc Jc] [9s]
tehmaulwurf checks
MF28 has 15 seconds left to act
MF28 has requested TIME
MF28 bets $155
tehmaulwurf has 15 seconds left to act
tehmaulwurf calls $155
*** RIVER *** [8s Kc Jc 9s] [3s]
tehmaulwurf checks
MF28 bets $524.70, and is all in

Hand 1: I think flatting the raise is much much better than 3betting the flop. I think if you flat the flop that he will check a lot of turns, especially this one, when he missed, and bet when he has a hand. Also, flatting the flop is a more clean rep of a 9 or boat. As played, I doubt he ever is folding the turn. The problem with betting the river is I think his most likely hand on the flop was a 9, boat, diamond draw, or JT. Its hard to put him on a hand but im thinking he has T9/J9 a lot. Its possible you could get him off JT/diamond flush on the river but I think timing would have been longer on the turn, no? It's also likely he'd raise those hands on the turn, while its much more likely he would flat J9/T9.

Hand 2: Well it would seem that he has KQ/AK (lesser amount) a very large % of the time the river bet seems good. I'm wary of preflop. I understand your in position and feel that you are going to have good FE pre and will be able to get people off weak hands postflop. The issue I have is... given a PFR calling range of AQ+, KQ, 22-JJ... the only way you will get him off a hand on is with a multi street bluff like this. A flop cbet without later streets aggression is surely going to be -EV given this range. The turn bet given he may call the flop with 88/66/KQ/AK/99/TT/AQ but fold 22-55, it seems that a turn bet is still -EV. I don't think your aggression postflop in this situation is going to be to your benefit.

Originally Posted by dev

V is 36/25/2 over 42 hands
No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

SB ($59.85)
BB ($133.45)
UTG ($100.90)
MP ($106.50)
CO ($134.15)
Hero (Button) ($107.60)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 5, 3
2 folds, CO bets $3.50, Hero calls $3.50, 2 folds

Flop: ($8.50) K, 4, 10 (2 players)
CO bets $6, Hero raises $12, CO calls $6

Turn: ($32.50) 7 (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $21.10, CO calls $21.10

River: ($74.70) 9 (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $71 (All-In)

Seems really bad, what makes you think he is going to play KK/TT/77/44/QJ/KT/AK/KQ any differently? This is a great example where results oriented negative reinforcement well hurt your game (I have a hunch he folded).

Hand 1: Villain is laggy 26/23 cb 90% over 115 hands, should I be including barreling frequency in my hud?

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CO ($113.10)
Button ($135.60)
SB ($112.50)
Hero (BB) ($131)
UTG ($426.50)
MP ($230.70)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 7, 7
UTG bets $3, 4 folds, Hero calls $2

Flop: ($6.50) 6, 5, 5 (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $4, Hero calls $4

Turn: ($14.50) J (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $10, Hero calls $10

River: ($34.50) A (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $21, Hero raises $56

Hand 2: Villain is 30/23/3b's 5% from blinds/fold to cb 44%.

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SB ($115.70)
BB ($151.65)
UTG ($71.75)
MP ($101.50)
CO ($286.10)
Hero (Button) ($100)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 2, 2
3 folds, Hero bets $3, 1 fold, BB calls $2

Flop: ($6.50) 4, A, 9 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $4, BB calls $4

Turn: ($14.50) 5 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

River: ($14.50) 9 (2 players)
BB bets $10, Hero raises $35

My image is pretty much that I'm never bluffing here so both villains have to think about folding an A imo.

Originally Posted by Parasurama

Hand 1: Villain is laggy 26/23 cb 90% over 115 hands, should I be including barreling frequency in my hud?

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CO ($113.10)
Button ($135.60)
SB ($112.50)
Hero (BB) ($131)
UTG ($426.50)
MP ($230.70)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 7, 7
UTG bets $3, 4 folds, Hero calls $2

Flop: ($6.50) 6, 5, 5 (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $4, Hero calls $4

Turn: ($14.50) J (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $10, Hero calls $10

River: ($34.50) A (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $21, Hero raises $56

Hand 2: Villain is 30/23/3b's 5% from blinds/fold to cb 44%.

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SB ($115.70)
BB ($151.65)
UTG ($71.75)
MP ($101.50)
CO ($286.10)
Hero (Button) ($100)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 2, 2
3 folds, Hero bets $3, 1 fold, BB calls $2

Flop: ($6.50) 4, A, 9 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $4, BB calls $4

Turn: ($14.50) 5 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

River: ($14.50) 9 (2 players)
BB bets $10, Hero raises $35

My image is pretty much that I'm never bluffing here so both villains have to think about folding an A imo.

Hand 1: I think I call turn and fold river. This bluff is too odd for me to like, I think there's a good chance he has trips/boat or AK/AQ.

Hand 2: Looks like he has a 9 or an ace. I think as most of the time when he calls this raise he will be losing but he's not going to fold a 9 and sometimes wont fold an ace. If he was unlikely to have a 9 id like it more. I think if those two 9's were an 8's I'd like this more but i think it would still be bad.

[quote="IowaSkinsFan"]

Originally Posted by Marshall28

Hand 1: I think flatting the raise is much much better than 3betting the flop. I think if you flat the flop that he will check a lot of turns, especially this one, when he missed, and bet when he has a hand. Also, flatting the flop is a more clean rep of a 9 or boat. As played, I doubt he ever is folding the turn. The problem with betting the river is I think his most likely hand on the flop was a 9, boat, diamond draw, or JT. Its hard to put him on a hand but im thinking he has T9/J9 a lot. Its possible you could get him off JT/diamond flush on the river but I think timing would have been longer on the turn, no? It's also likely he'd raise those hands on the turn, while its much more likely he would flat J9/T9.

Hand 2: Well it would seem that he has KQ/AK (lesser amount) a very large % of the time the river bet seems good. I'm wary of preflop. I understand your in position and feel that you are going to have good FE pre and will be able to get people off weak hands postflop. The issue I have is... given a PFR calling range of AQ+, KQ, 22-JJ... the only way you will get him off a hand on is with a multi street bluff like this. A flop cbet without later streets aggression is surely going to be -EV given this range. The turn bet given he may call the flop with 88/66/KQ/AK/99/TT/AQ but fold 22-55, it seems that a turn bet is still -EV. I don't think your aggression postflop in this situation is going to be to your benefit.

I definitely agree on the first one, it's too likely he has a 9, I should have flatted the flop. (He called river w/ naked JT)

I'm struggling understanding your explanation on the 2nd hand. You said that c-betting the flop w/out planning on firing more barrels is -ev which I agree, and it was my plan to fire multiple barrels. But then you said that the turn bet is -ev since I don't fold out AK/KQ/TT, though those are for sure folding to the river shove, right? Assuming that's the case then it would all be +ev, wouldn't it? (Also if you didn't note we're 400bb deep effective)

Or am I thinking about it completely backwards by looking at the big picture instead of analyzing street by street? Pooruser once told me I need to play 1 street at a time more often, do you think that's the case? Or what am I missing?

thanks, yeah def agree about hand 1 being really weird. I kind of just found myself in a situation on the river where I thought he wasn't likely to have a hand strong enough to call, does that make sense?

hand 2: I just thought he was way more likely to have an A than a 9 and that 9x is a big part of my range when I take this line. What do you think about barreling the turn with my gutshot?

Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan

Originally Posted by dev

V is 36/25/2 over 42 hands
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SB ($59.85)
BB ($133.45)
UTG ($100.90)
MP ($106.50)
CO ($134.15)
Hero (Button) ($107.60)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 5, 3
2 folds, CO bets $3.50, Hero calls $3.50, 2 folds

Flop: ($8.50) K, 4, 10 (2 players)
CO bets $6, Hero raises $12, CO calls $6

Turn: ($32.50) 7 (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $21.10, CO calls $21.10

River: ($74.70) 9 (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $71 (All-In)

Seems really bad, what makes you think he is going to play KK/TT/77/44/QJ/KT/AK/KQ any differently? This is a great example where results oriented negative reinforcement well hurt your game (I have a hunch he folded).

I've been 3 barreling a bit lately and this one seemed really thin. He had KJ and called. My first thought was that it was a decent 3 barrel, but I just marked the hh for later and checked it out after the session and wasn't sure. I figured he was agro enough to play bigger hands harder and fold out a lot of the trash that had me beat. Given how strong I was repping by the river I thought I had decent FE. I was wrong.

26/21/2/38
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BB ($69.70)
UTG ($205)
MP ($555.65)
Hero (Button) ($200)
SB ($245.75)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A, K
1 fold, MP bets $6, Hero raises $18, 2 folds, MP calls $12

Flop: ($39) 7, 4, Q (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $31.60, MP calls $31.60

Turn: ($102.20) 9 (2 players)
MP checks, Hero checks

River: ($102.20) 9 (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $150.40 (All-In)

Looking back at the hand I don't really get my flop bet amount. Normally I'd go for like 24ish. But as played, with the Ad, river shove?

Marshall,

What im saying about the turn is he could've flatted the flop with a nut hands and now will raise. Thats a possibility. But betting the turn planning to bet the river if called seems like a good idea. Still, the turn bet seems marginal.

My big problem with the hand is i dont think the preflop threebet is good given our postflop bluffing opportunities. Its likely your going to have a percieved light squeezing range, your better off just squeezing a tight range here.

Pooruser isnt very good at poker so i wouldnt listen to him much but I think his advice seems good.

When is it okay to bluff with little to no equity?

How is this affected by metagame? I mean we can always say eventually you'll get the same spot with a hand that has better equity so save your bluff until then, but what about if you're playing your first few hands HU and you think you'll have much less fold equity later on or there's a certain dynamic present currently which increases your fold equity which may not be present later?

I'll try to answer and compare it to ISF's answer

Originally Posted by Parasurama

When is it okay to bluff with little to no equity?

1. When it maximizes your EV in the hand
2. When it creates EV+ opportunities later when you would not have them otherwise

Originally Posted by Parasurama

How is this affected by metagame? I mean we can always say eventually you'll get the same spot with a hand that has better equity so save your bluff until then, but what about if you're playing your first few hands HU and you think you'll have much less fold equity later on or there's a certain dynamic present currently which increases your fold equity which may not be present later?

No, because it might be more profitable to bluff two or three times in a row than to only pick the best spot and bluff. And then if you pick up a hand after bluffing several times in a row you're more likely to get paid.

Easy example: you 3b someone the first hand of a HU match. Then the next time you 3b him again on your BB. Then you 3b him a third time. Then you get QQ and 3b him the fourth time in a row he'll probably peel really light or 4b as a bluff because you 3b him every single time so far.

So maybe your third 3b had a slightly negative expectation, but you feel that your opponent will overadjust and view you as a maniac so it's EV+ for image.

Originally Posted by iopq

I'll try to answer and compare it to ISF's answer

Originally Posted by Parasurama

When is it okay to bluff with little to no equity?

1. When it maximizes your EV in the hand
2. When it creates EV+ opportunities later when you would not have them otherwise

Dude I think you just killed the forum.

I started a response to ask about river bluffing frequencies, but writing it resulted in some sort of thoughtprocess. So I guess all I can ask is whether I hit something here or not:


Let’s say on an A high board I expect my opponent to have AQ, AJ and AT.
I expect him to call a decently sized bet with AQ and AJ and fold AT. (so villain folds 33%)

Betting a PSB (let’s say 100) here means we lose 66 (0,66*100) everytime we bluff and win 66 (0,33*(100+100)) everytime we bluff, so the EV of every bluff is 0.

Funny thing here is that the odds we are offering are the same as the FE we have (2:1 vs 33% FE).
If we i.e. bet 3/4 PSB instead of full pot, we lose 50 (0,66 x 75) and win 57,75 (0,33 x (100+75), making it +EV bluff with every hand.


Game theory says to have a value:bluff ratio related with the odds you’re offering your opponent.
In the above example we’re offering 2:1 with a PSB, meaning we should bluff for a PSB a third of the time we valuebet. GT isn’t very practical in most of our games thou. This is only of relevance if villain adjusts his calling ranges based on our bluffing frequencies, which is very rare.
(I have no experience in any stakes higher than 100NL, but I can’t imagine people having good enough reads on people to really come close to wanting to follow GTO strategies)


So my conclusion is, as long as the odds we are offering ourselves to our bluff (betsizing) is better than the FE we have, we are making money.
The FE we have in a given situation is always the same, whether it is 70%, 30% or 0%. So in my view, river bluffing shouldn’t rely on frequencies, it should be on betsizing and FE.

Of course they are related in that a bigger bet usually comes with more FE. But imo our thoughtprocess should not be ‘I want to be bluffing here x amount of time’, but should be ‘I have x amount of FE with y betsizing, is that profitable?’.
If the answer is yes, you should bluff and should do so with every non-value hand (excluding +EV check behinds), not with a certain frequency.

The next time you face the same situation with another hand, it’s the same question although you probably have a little less FE this time (if villain adjusts). That could mean you don’t want to be bluffing anymore, because it just came –EV. But it’s not because of some frequency.

oh yeah the specific situation I wanted to ask about is when I flat a LP open out of the blinds with the intention of c/r a lot of flops. It's profitable when I do it but I also know I have awful equity when called.

attempt at raptor bet DEEP
OPP seemed LAGGY so far

I set this up for a good river shove, the problem is I have no equity but the main thing I'm wondering is if this is a REASONABLE spot or board texture to use this sort of betting. Is this a case where I'm repping like nothing and he's repping like nothing but he's pulling the final trigger?

$0.5/$1 No Limit Holdem
4 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
CO DenisDiderot ($116.50)
BTN Hero ($324.87)
SB Take_It_Back ($103.00)
BB gregoire60 ($294.90)

Pre-flop: ($1.50, 4 players) Hero is BTN
1 fold, Hero raises to $3, 1 fold, gregoire60 raises to $9.50, Hero raises to $26, gregoire60 raises to $42.50, Hero calls $16.50

Flop: ($85.50, 2 players)
gregoire60 checks, Hero bets $33, gregoire60 calls $33

Turn: ($151.50, 2 players)
gregoire60 checks, Hero bets $45, gregoire60 calls $45

River: ($241.50, 2 players)
gregoire60 bets $174.40, Hero folds

Final Pot: $415.90

gregoire60 wins $413.90 ( won +$119 )
Hero lost -$120.50

so why are you 4betting 86o again... or raising it to begin with...

I'm BTN and he's 3betting light. Suppose there are better hands to play post flop when villain is likely to mess around post flop...

Yeah bspahn thats just terrible

what hands would you LIKE to have in this spot to raptor bet as a bluff on two streets, since we're trying to learn something here.

Villain is FISHY 41/8

If I'm trying to get him off Tx, JJ-KK etc here is this a wise spot to make a small overbet?

obv I have to assume he has AA/TT here near 100% when he shoves as an aside..

$0.5/$1 No Limit Holdem
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG peeeedor ($181.55)
UTG+1 bjea53 ($96.55)
CO bobfishman ($32.78)
BTN easyeasy69 ($137.17)
SB berni75 ($104.70)
BB Hero ($110.05)

Pre-flop: ($1.50, 6 players) Hero is BB
1 fold, bjea53 raises to $3.50, 3 folds, Hero calls $2.50

Flop: ($7.50, 2 players)
Hero checks, bjea53 checks

Turn: ($7.50, 2 players)
Hero bets $6, bjea53 calls $6

River: ($19.50, 2 players)
Hero bets $22, bjea53 raises to $85.50

Final Pot: $127

do you really think a bad player is capable of laying down a pair here?

I wouldn't try forcing him off anything..even if he can see what your're repping he'll probably still call with his JJ/QQ or whatever because you checked the flop so he's thinking omg you can't have an ace! Well, it doesn't even look like you're repping the ace to begin with.

i suppose if i repped an ace id value bet like half to 2/3 pot on river - to a thinking player, which this aint.

bet turn, c/f river then

Villain is a reg:

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Hero (BB) ($102.35)
UTG ($29.70)
MP ($36.75)
Button ($30.80)
SB ($132.15)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 10, 7
3 folds, SB bets $2, Hero calls $1.50

Flop: ($4) J, 7, A (2 players)
SB bets $3, Hero raises to $9, SB calls $6

Turn: ($22) 8 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $16, SB calls $16

River: ($54) 8 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $37

Originally Posted by kmind

Villain is a reg:

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Hero (BB) ($102.35)
UTG ($29.70)
MP ($36.75)
Button ($30.80)
SB ($132.15)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 10, 7
3 folds, SB bets $2, Hero calls $1.50

Flop: ($4) J, 7, A (2 players)
SB bets $3, Hero raises to $9, SB calls $6

Turn: ($22) 8 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $16, SB calls $16

River: ($54) 8 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $37

I think the board came out decent for this. I would just jam the river though if I was going to bet here though. It's not like the board pairing would scare any flush we had, since he never has a boat here.

kmind- looks fine.. i don't think you need to jam the river, but I would bet slightly bigger.. thinking 40-41$ here, just nitpicking though

Originally Posted by bspahn

Villain is FISHY 41/8

If I'm trying to get him off Tx, JJ-KK etc here is this a wise spot to make a small overbet?

obv I have to assume he has AA/TT here near 100% when he shoves as an aside..

$0.5/$1 No Limit Holdem
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG peeeedor ($181.55)
UTG+1 bjea53 ($96.55)
CO bobfishman ($32.78)
BTN easyeasy69 ($137.17)
SB berni75 ($104.70)
BB Hero ($110.05)

Pre-flop: ($1.50, 6 players) Hero is BB
1 fold, bjea53 raises to $3.50, 3 folds, Hero calls $2.50

Flop: ($7.50, 2 players)
Hero checks, bjea53 checks

Turn: ($7.50, 2 players)
Hero bets $6, bjea53 calls $6

River: ($19.50, 2 players)
Hero bets $22, bjea53 raises to $85.50

Final Pot: $127

no good. once he checks the flop and all these draws bink off by the river, he'll often be calling any pair. i like the idea of overbetting, but you'll have to make it 30$+

id rather just c/r the turn here and bet any river..

villain is a reg
this is probably a standard cbet
do you like this, if so, what rivers do we bet?

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BB ($50.65)
UTG ($101.50)
Hero (MP) ($100)
CO ($97.55)
Button ($119.05)
SB ($94.50)

Preflop: Hero is MP with K, J
1 fold, Hero bets $3.50, 2 folds, SB calls $3, 1 fold

Flop: ($8) 8, A, 5 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($8) 8 (2 players)
SB bets $4, Hero raises to $12

Villian seems like a pretty good reg. 28/20 over 1k HH. Not sure what he leads into 2 players with. Could be a J could be trips, could be air.
Maybe be a good place for bluff? I thought me C/C flop and lead turn looked super strong. Maybe a C/R or river bluff? A few hands ago he C/C me on Ax7r flop then big C/R on 7 Turn
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MP ($50.45)
CO ($65.90)
Button ($31.25)
SB ($49.50)
BB ($111.80)
Hero (UTG) ($50)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A, Q
Hero bets $2, 1 fold, CO calls $2, 2 folds, BB calls $1.50

Flop: ($6.25) 10, 10, J (3 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, CO bets $3, 1 fold, Hero calls $3

Turn: ($12.25) 3 (2 players)
Hero bets $7.50, CO calls $7.50

River: ($27.25) 9 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $21.50, Hero folds

Total pot: $27.25

IOPQ - Wouldn't you bet pretty much anything that connects with the board on that flop?

Bump to see how well these bloofs have aged.