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    Default Ask ISF about a bluff or bluffing

    Feel free in this thread to post a hand where you bluff and ill comment, or ask me about concepts of aggression and I'll answer that too.

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    http://www.pokerhand.org/?2250936

    Its a long time ago since this hand was played so i dont have any stats on villan, but im sure that i knew he was able to make big laydowns before i did this. Any comment?
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    how high on the scale of badness?
    a 6 perhaps?

    STAGE #937176551: HOLDEM NO LIMIT $1 - 2008-03-20 19:30:57 (ET)
    Table: MICHIGAN AVE (Real Money) Seat #2 is the dealer
    Seat 2 - JAHVEGAS ($85.55 in chips)
    Seat 3 - NIKITIS ($195.85 in chips)
    Seat 4 - STRING32862 ($117.20 in chips)
    Seat 5 - MR_STROKE ($68.85 in chips)
    Seat 6 - 27S ($198.50 in chips)
    Seat 1 - MIFFED22001 ($251.55 in chips)
    NIKITIS - Posts small blind $0.50
    STRING32862 - Posts big blind $1
    *** POCKET CARDS ***
    Dealt to MIFFED22001 [7h 6h]
    MR_STROKE - Calls $1
    27S - Raises $5 to $5
    MIFFED22001 - Calls $5
    JAHVEGAS - Calls $5
    NIKITIS - Folds
    STRING32862 - Folds
    MR_STROKE - Calls $4
    *** FLOP *** [4h 7d 3d]
    MR_STROKE - Checks
    27S - Bets $13
    MIFFED22001 - Calls $13
    JAHVEGAS - Folds
    MR_STROKE - Folds
    *** TURN *** [4h 7d 3d] [9h]
    27S - Bets $33
    MIFFED22001 - All-In(Raise) $233.55 to $233.55
    27S - All-In $147.50
    MIFFED22001 - returned ($53.05) : not called
    *** RIVER *** [4h 7d 3d 9h] [Kd]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    MIFFED22001 - Shows [7h 6h] (One pair, sevens)
    27S - Shows [
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    villain was like 35/25 over idk how many hands, but a decent amount, like 100 maybe. He has a Q here like always.

    POKERSTARS GAME #16152698454: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.25/$0.50) - 2008/03/21 - 21:53:40 (ET)
    Table 'Hektor V' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
    Seat 1: Bode-ist ($63.95 in chips)
    Seat 2: Silver Apple ($92 in chips)
    Seat 3: low desert ($74.95 in chips)
    Seat 4: GrimRakerAA ($48.75 in chips)
    Seat 5: cdawggy14 ($23.60 in chips)
    Seat 6: dweezy1970 ($28.70 in chips)
    Bode-ist: posts small blind $0.25
    Silver Apple: posts big blind $0.50
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Bode-ist [Kh 6h]
    low desert: folds
    GrimRakerAA: folds
    cdawggy14: folds
    dweezy1970: folds
    Bode-ist: raises $1.50 to $2
    Silver Apple: calls $1.50
    *** FLOP *** [Qs 7c 7s]
    Bode-ist: bets $2.75
    Silver Apple: calls $2.75
    *** TURN *** [Qs 7c 7s] [4c]
    Bode-ist: bets $5.75
    Silver Apple: calls $5.75
    *** RIVER *** [Qs 7c 7s 4c] [3h]
    Bode-ist: bets $13
    Silver Apple: folds
    Bode-ist collected $20 from pot
    Bode-ist: doesn't show hand
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot $21 | Rake $1
    Board [Qs 7c 7s 4c 3h]
    Seat 1: Bode-ist (small blind) collected ($20)
    Seat 2: Silver Apple (big blind) folded on the River
    Seat 3: low desert folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 4: GrimRakerAA folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 5: cdawggy14 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 6: dweezy1970 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
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    Assume a high stakes game, on the river, against a world class TAG villain (but no stats or reads other than that). My image is TAG/good/solid but I'm more or less unknown to V.

    I open from EP preflop, V calls IP. I cbet very drawy flop, V calls. All draws miss and I fire again, V calls. All draws miss yet again (the lowest card pairs, 4-color board) and I check the river.

    Say we've got a hand that will always beat a bluff but never a value bet (something like AA on a K high flop).

    In general, would you choose to c/c or c/f in this spot?
    ===================================

    We've got other choices too, like c/r or b/f, but let's assume those are used in special circumstances as meta plays and/or with reads.
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    POKERSTARS GAME #15900966997: TOURNAMENT #80160277, $8.00+$0.80 HOLD'EM NO LIMIT - LEVEL I (10/20) - 2008/03/11 - 10:08:15 (ET)
    Table '80160277 19' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
    Seat 1: irishbradish (1810 in chips)
    Seat 2: ekals (2770 in chips)
    Seat 3: bwebb527 (1470 in chips)
    Seat 4: mcatdog (1560 in chips)
    Seat 5: UncleLess (1450 in chips)
    Seat 6: stikman21 (2950 in chips)
    Seat 7: WEIRDLIFE (6080 in chips)
    Seat 8: 123flushed (4470 in chips)
    Seat 9: zarkon13 (2940 in chips)
    ekals: posts small blind 10
    bwebb527: posts big blind 20
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to mcatdog [Td Ah]
    mcatdog: raises 1540 to 1560 and is all-in
    UncleLess: folds
    stikman21: folds
    WEIRDLIFE: folds
    123flushed: folds
    zarkon13: folds
    irishbradish: folds
    ekals: calls 1550
    bwebb527: folds
    *** FLOP *** [Qh 9c 6d]
    *** TURN *** [Qh 9c 6d] [7s]
    *** RIVER *** [Qh 9c 6d 7s] [Kd]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    ekals: shows [Jh Kh] (a pair of Kings)
    mcatdog: shows [Td Ah] (high card Ace)
    ekals collected 3140 from pot
    mcatdog re-buys and receives 3000 chips for $16.00
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 3140 | Rake 0
    Board [Qh 9c 6d 7s Kd]
    Seat 1: irishbradish (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 2: ekals (small blind) showed [Jh Kh] and won (3140) with a pair of Kings
    Seat 3: bwebb527 (big blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 4: mcatdog showed [Td Ah] and lost with high card Ace
    Seat 5: UncleLess folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 6: stikman21 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 7: WEIRDLIFE folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 8: 123flushed folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 9: zarkon13 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
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    Just kidding, if you don't want me to post donkament hands here I'll delete these two posts but I wanted an opinion on this hand from awhile back and I'd rather ask a good hand reader like yourself since most donkament players never run big bluffs. This guy is one of those guys who gives too much action in small pots but gets terrified of the nuts in big pots. Is it better to just raise the flop then to get fancy like this and what do you think his range is when he makes this dumb bet on the river.

    POKERSTARS GAME #15843352330: TOURNAMENT #79860804, $30+$3 HOLD'EM NO LIMIT - LEVEL XIV (1000/2000) - 2008/03/08 - 21:57:12 (ET)
    Table '79860804 8' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
    Seat 1: mcatdog (54551 in chips)
    Seat 2: LAJG (60185 in chips)
    Seat 3: Galashnikov (126251 in chips)
    Seat 4: erkut00 (262710 in chips)
    mcatdog: posts the ante 200
    LAJG: posts the ante 200
    Galashnikov: posts the ante 200
    erkut00: posts the ante 200
    LAJG: posts small blind 1000
    Galashnikov: posts big blind 2000
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to mcatdog [9h Jc]
    erkut00: folds
    mcatdog: raises 3000 to 5000
    LAJG: folds
    Galashnikov: calls 3000
    *** FLOP *** [Td 4d 7h]
    Galashnikov: bets 8500
    mcatdog: calls 8500
    *** TURN *** [Td 4d 7h] [5d]
    Galashnikov: checks
    mcatdog: checks
    *** RIVER *** [Td 4d 7h 5d] [3s]
    Galashnikov: bets 11000
    mcatdog: raises 29851 to 40851 and is all-in
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    Villain is Alexos from FTR, a 5-10 reg. He's sitting at my tables just to fuck with me imo

    that being said, he's def not the type to make spewy plays, but will mainly be much less scared money than most villains here. Also a good hand reader, although I think historically I've owned him and run well in pots we've played.

    Table "King" Seat 3 is the button.
    Seat 1: fresh ($208.20 in chips)
    Seat 2: Koolaaja ($186.45 in chips)
    Seat 3: yearight ($71.30 in chips)
    Seat 4: Is24 ($567.65 in chips)
    Seat 5: HERO ($261 in chips)
    Seat 6: ALEXOS ($256.85 in chips)
    Is24: posts small blind $1
    HERO: posts big blind $2
    ----- HOLE CARDS -----
    dealt to HERO
    ALEXOS: calls $2
    fresh: folds
    Koolaaja: folds
    yearight: folds
    Is24: folds
    HERO: checks
    ----- FLOP -----
    Is24 sits out
    HERO: bets $4
    ALEXOS: raises to $14
    BMWCoupe joins the table at seat #3
    HERO: calls $10
    ----- TURN -----
    HERO: checks
    ALEXOS: checks
    ----- RIVER -----
    HERO: bets $21
    ALEXOS: raises to $85
    HERO: raises to $245 and is all-in
    when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
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    Would be pretty sick if ISF never responds in this thread and we all got BLUFFFFFFED
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    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy
    Would be pretty sick if ISF never responds in this thread and we all got BLUFFFFFFED
    ha ha
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    No i will ill responmd wjhen im not drunk k thx lol awesome that people posted a lot of hands, i really didnt expect it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZwiFT
    http://www.pokerhand.org/?2250936

    Its a long time ago since this hand was played so i dont have any stats on villan, but im sure that i knew he was able to make big laydowns before i did this. Any comment?
    Raise the flop no doubt. I mean yeah this is fine, but you got into the situation that was actually nightmare for us. It doesn't seem like there's any FE on this turn. Amazingly there was, so that's great, but just raise the flop and get it in. Treat overcards and fd's in a threebet pot like the nuts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miffed22001
    how high on the scale of badness?
    a 6 perhaps?

    STAGE #937176551: HOLDEM NO LIMIT $1 - 2008-03-20 19:30:57 (ET)
    Table: MICHIGAN AVE (Real Money) Seat #2 is the dealer
    Seat 2 - JAHVEGAS ($85.55 in chips)
    Seat 3 - NIKITIS ($195.85 in chips)
    Seat 4 - STRING32862 ($117.20 in chips)
    Seat 5 - MR_STROKE ($68.85 in chips)
    Seat 6 - 27S ($198.50 in chips)
    Seat 1 - MIFFED22001 ($251.55 in chips)
    NIKITIS - Posts small blind $0.50
    STRING32862 - Posts big blind $1
    *** POCKET CARDS ***
    Dealt to MIFFED22001 [7h 6h]
    MR_STROKE - Calls $1
    27S - Raises $5 to $5
    MIFFED22001 - Calls $5
    JAHVEGAS - Calls $5
    NIKITIS - Folds
    STRING32862 - Folds
    MR_STROKE - Calls $4
    *** FLOP *** [4h 7d 3d]
    MR_STROKE - Checks
    27S - Bets $13
    MIFFED22001 - Calls $13
    JAHVEGAS - Folds
    MR_STROKE - Folds
    *** TURN *** [4h 7d 3d] [9h]
    27S - Bets $33
    MIFFED22001 - All-In(Raise) $233.55 to $233.55
    27S - All-In $147.50
    MIFFED22001 - returned ($53.05) : not called
    *** RIVER *** [4h 7d 3d 9h] [Kd]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    MIFFED22001 - Shows [7h 6h] (One pair, sevens)
    27S - Shows [
    Shoving in 200bb here seems really dumb. His line isn't exactly trademark weakness (although its not trademark strength either). You have an okay draw so I'd just call the bet or you could muck it.

    If 10 is great and 1 is horrendous, i'd say its a 3. Still <3 though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bode
    villain was like 35/25 over idk how many hands, but a decent amount, like 100 maybe. He has a Q here like always.

    POKERSTARS GAME #16152698454: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.25/$0.50) - 2008/03/21 - 21:53:40 (ET)
    Table 'Hektor V' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
    Seat 1: Bode-ist ($63.95 in chips)
    Seat 2: Silver Apple ($92 in chips)
    Seat 3: low desert ($74.95 in chips)
    Seat 4: GrimRakerAA ($48.75 in chips)
    Seat 5: cdawggy14 ($23.60 in chips)
    Seat 6: dweezy1970 ($28.70 in chips)
    Bode-ist: posts small blind $0.25
    Silver Apple: posts big blind $0.50
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Bode-ist [Kh 6h]
    low desert: folds
    GrimRakerAA: folds
    cdawggy14: folds
    dweezy1970: folds
    Bode-ist: raises $1.50 to $2
    Silver Apple: calls $1.50
    *** FLOP *** [Qs 7c 7s]
    Bode-ist: bets $2.75
    Silver Apple: calls $2.75
    *** TURN *** [Qs 7c 7s] [4c]
    Bode-ist: bets $5.75
    Silver Apple: calls $5.75
    *** RIVER *** [Qs 7c 7s 4c] [3h]
    Bode-ist: bets $13
    Silver Apple: folds
    Bode-ist collected $20 from pot
    Bode-ist: doesn't show hand
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot $21 | Rake $1
    Board [Qs 7c 7s 4c 3h]
    Seat 1: Bode-ist (small blind) collected ($20)
    Seat 2: Silver Apple (big blind) folded on the River
    Seat 3: low desert folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 4: GrimRakerAA folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 5: cdawggy14 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 6: dweezy1970 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    First off I'd like to say the two barrell is good. You have 3 outs versus pretty much anything besides a 7, and his range is pretty weak on the turn. We have a lot of bare aces and pocket pairs he'd peel the flop with he is now folding on the turn.

    The threebarrel is bad though. People just don't fold top pair here. Especially guys with the stats you described. He is very likely folding pp's on the turn, so he surely has a Q here I agree. I think you just got lucky though in this scenario and he had 99 or something.

    So not a good one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pocketfours
    Assume a high stakes game, on the river, against a world class TAG villain (but no stats or reads other than that). My image is TAG/good/solid but I'm more or less unknown to V.

    I open from EP preflop, V calls IP. I cbet very drawy flop, V calls. All draws miss and I fire again, V calls. All draws miss yet again (the lowest card pairs, 4-color board) and I check the river.

    Say we've got a hand that will always beat a bluff but never a value bet (something like AA on a K high flop).

    In general, would you choose to c/c or c/f in this spot?
    ===================================

    We've got other choices too, like c/r or b/f, but let's assume those are used in special circumstances as meta plays and/or with reads.
    Hmmm interesting question.

    If I'm villain here I'd say the best assumption for your hand is the one you have. The reason I say that is because a thin vbet on this board is not very hard, and if I two barrelled here with a draw, I sure as hell am not going to quit that bluff right now. Opps range is too far behind so solid vbetting range for us, so we can bluff a relatively large amount. Pretty much the only hand I'm not betting on this river is a hand I don't feel has any value.
    Having this hand is pretty rare though in this situation. I feel like we're going to go pot control on the turn or flop with this type of hand sometimes.

    Assuming this is 100bb, V is going to have about pot left. So now let's examine V's range. It's really not that great. Since the board was so drawy we're going to have some actual vbet hands here; ones that didn't want to play for stacks on the flop but are pretty solid in general. Example is... idk maybe 99 if the board was 765, turn 2, river 2. He's also going to have some possible bluff hands as well. Flush draws, or maybe some combo straight draws with a pair that has no SD value. He's also going to have a nut hand here sometimes as well, because good players know how to mix it up well.

    Digressing a little bit, I'm going to eliminate c/c when a high card comes on the river. Like a 976 flop, turn 2, river A. I would not check call here. I think the reasons are pretty obvious. It looks like a bluffy spot if he bets, and we actually have a pretty big range of hands we're going to have a hard time mucking.

    Given all the information we know, I'm going to say it's going to be a very rare occasion when I check/call here ever. I'd be more inclined to call on a board like T87, 2, 3 as there's just less hand he's able to vbet here than a 765, 2, 2 board type. With little history i think villain is just going to think his bet will look bluffy and isnt going to mess around with such an obvious weak range.

    So cliffnotes is I almost always c/f.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mcatdog
    Just kidding, if you don't want me to post donkament hands here I'll delete these two posts but I wanted an opinion on this hand from awhile back and I'd rather ask a good hand reader like yourself since most donkament players never run big bluffs. This guy is one of those guys who gives too much action in small pots but gets terrified of the nuts in big pots. Is it better to just raise the flop then to get fancy like this and what do you think his range is when he makes this dumb bet on the river.

    POKERSTARS GAME #15843352330: TOURNAMENT #79860804, $30+$3 HOLD'EM NO LIMIT - LEVEL XIV (1000/2000) - 2008/03/08 - 21:57:12 (ET)
    Table '79860804 8' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
    Seat 1: mcatdog (54551 in chips)
    Seat 2: LAJG (60185 in chips)
    Seat 3: Galashnikov (126251 in chips)
    Seat 4: erkut00 (262710 in chips)
    mcatdog: posts the ante 200
    LAJG: posts the ante 200
    Galashnikov: posts the ante 200
    erkut00: posts the ante 200
    LAJG: posts small blind 1000
    Galashnikov: posts big blind 2000
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to mcatdog [9h Jc]
    erkut00: folds
    mcatdog: raises 3000 to 5000
    LAJG: folds
    Galashnikov: calls 3000
    *** FLOP *** [Td 4d 7h]
    Galashnikov: bets 8500
    mcatdog: calls 8500
    *** TURN *** [Td 4d 7h] [5d]
    Galashnikov: checks
    mcatdog: checks
    *** RIVER *** [Td 4d 7h 5d] [3s]
    Galashnikov: bets 11000
    mcatdog: raises 29851 to 40851 and is all-in
    I prefer cash but donkament is fine .

    First off, I'd like to say I like your play up until river (ill examine this later, no judgement yet ). Opp looks like he probably had a 7x, Tx, or 88 type hand and you can float some good overs or hit your 7 out draw a lot. He pretty much never has a draw. Raise/calling the flop has some merit though, but stack sizes seem to awkward for it.

    Now onto river. I never give donkament players credit for thin value betting, for good reason, and I'm guessing you agree. I think you probably saw some of what I'm seeing: A six is a very unlikely hard in his range. It would have to be either 76 or 66, maybe even 64 for him to have the straight. Those are all much less likely than the rest of the range i put him on... on the flop at least. The issue is it's just hard to say his vbet range that will fold to a raise, like I am sure one pair will, is very big at all. He checked the turn which for me makes his most likely hand like 88 or 7x, followed by Tx, lastly a bluff. I feel like there's no way this river bet is a bluff, or very rarely is, just because bet sizing doesn't look like it at all, and it doesn't make too much sense in his range.

    So pretty much we're hoping that opp is "thin" vbetting a Ten here, or making a block bet with 88 or 7x. All these make perfect sense though. He's betting something like 11k into a 28-30k pot. But with these type of hands we can really only give 50% frequency to it, as other moves are likely as well.

    However this is the same with a straight. This bet size is probably 50% frequency for the straight, as we'd see other bet sizes half the time at least as well.

    All and all, I think amazingly you have found a spot where versus a non thin vbettor raising the river is at least close to profitable. I'd say this bluff runs about neutral EV from my perspective, but given timing and game flow, or whatever else you may have sunconsciously or consciously known this could make it +EV.
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    ** Game ID 1920815608 starting - 2008-03-16 18:07:14
    ** Somebody Needs You 2 [Hold 'em] (5.00|10.00 No Limit - € Cash Game) Real Money

    - Criztal sitting in seat 1 with €882.42
    - Lakerman sitting in seat 2 with €1059.00
    - Cocco_Bill sitting in seat 3 with €1057.00
    - asser sitting in seat 4 with €1037.00
    - adsum sitting in seat 5 with €1379.72 [Dealer]

    Criztal posted the small blind - €5.00
    Lakerman posted the big blind - €10.00
    ** Dealing card to Cocco_Bill: :Qh:, :Jh:
    Cocco_Bill raised - €40.00
    asser folded
    adsum called - €40.00
    Criztal folded
    Lakerman folded

    ** Dealing the flop:
    Cocco_Bill bet - €68.00
    adsum raised - €136.00
    Cocco_Bill called - €136.00

    ** Dealing the turn:
    Cocco_Bill checked
    adsum bet - €367.00
    Cocco_Bill went all-in - €881.00
    adsum folded
    Cocco_Bill mucks:
    Cocco_Bill wins €1612.00 from the main pot

    End of game 1920815608
  18. #18
    Quote Originally Posted by Genitruc
    Villain is Alexos from FTR, a 5-10 reg. He's sitting at my tables just to fuck with me imo

    that being said, he's def not the type to make spewy plays, but will mainly be much less scared money than most villains here. Also a good hand reader, although I think historically I've owned him and run well in pots we've played.

    Table "King" Seat 3 is the button.
    Seat 1: fresh ($208.20 in chips)
    Seat 2: Koolaaja ($186.45 in chips)
    Seat 3: yearight ($71.30 in chips)
    Seat 4: Is24 ($567.65 in chips)
    Seat 5: HERO ($261 in chips)
    Seat 6: ALEXOS ($256.85 in chips)
    Is24: posts small blind $1
    HERO: posts big blind $2
    ----- HOLE CARDS -----
    dealt to HERO
    ALEXOS: calls $2
    fresh: folds
    Koolaaja: folds
    yearight: folds
    Is24: folds
    HERO: checks
    ----- FLOP -----
    Is24 sits out
    HERO: bets $4
    ALEXOS: raises to $14
    BMWCoupe joins the table at seat #3
    HERO: calls $10
    ----- TURN -----
    HERO: checks
    ALEXOS: checks
    ----- RIVER -----
    HERO: bets $21
    ALEXOS: raises to $85
    HERO: raises to $245 and is all-in
    If you think Alexos is folding A7 then okay good. If not, which i think is likely, i dont like it.

    I mean your repping massive amounts of strength here, but Im not sure Alexos has a good sense that you actually are not just stupidly vbetting 76 or 74 type hand and therefore he's not going to fold.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cocco_Bill
    ** Game ID 1920815608 starting - 2008-03-16 18:07:14
    ** Somebody Needs You 2 [Hold 'em] (5.00|10.00 No Limit - € Cash Game) Real Money

    - Criztal sitting in seat 1 with €882.42
    - Lakerman sitting in seat 2 with €1059.00
    - Cocco_Bill sitting in seat 3 with €1057.00
    - asser sitting in seat 4 with €1037.00
    - adsum sitting in seat 5 with €1379.72 [Dealer]

    Criztal posted the small blind - €5.00
    Lakerman posted the big blind - €10.00
    ** Dealing card to Cocco_Bill: :Qh:, :Jh:
    Cocco_Bill raised - €40.00
    asser folded
    adsum called - €40.00
    Criztal folded
    Lakerman folded

    ** Dealing the flop:
    Cocco_Bill bet - €68.00
    adsum raised - €136.00
    Cocco_Bill called - €136.00

    ** Dealing the turn:
    Cocco_Bill checked
    adsum bet - €367.00
    Cocco_Bill went all-in - €881.00
    adsum folded
    Cocco_Bill mucks:
    Cocco_Bill wins €1612.00 from the main pot

    End of game 1920815608
    Just making sure this isn't a serious post right?

    (Not saying the play is bad but its an awfully weird hand to post. Especially posting no reads at all)
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    Sick line though Cocco btw.
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  21. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan
    Quote Originally Posted by Cocco_Bill
    ** Game ID 1920815608 starting - 2008-03-16 18:07:14
    ** Somebody Needs You 2 [Hold 'em] (5.00|10.00 No Limit - € Cash Game) Real Money

    - Criztal sitting in seat 1 with €882.42
    - Lakerman sitting in seat 2 with €1059.00
    - Cocco_Bill sitting in seat 3 with €1057.00
    - asser sitting in seat 4 with €1037.00
    - adsum sitting in seat 5 with €1379.72 [Dealer]

    Criztal posted the small blind - €5.00
    Lakerman posted the big blind - €10.00
    ** Dealing card to Cocco_Bill: :Qh:, :Jh:
    Cocco_Bill raised - €40.00
    asser folded
    adsum called - €40.00
    Criztal folded
    Lakerman folded

    ** Dealing the flop:
    Cocco_Bill bet - €68.00
    adsum raised - €136.00
    Cocco_Bill called - €136.00

    ** Dealing the turn:
    Cocco_Bill checked
    adsum bet - €367.00
    Cocco_Bill went all-in - €881.00
    adsum folded
    Cocco_Bill mucks:
    Cocco_Bill wins €1612.00 from the main pot

    End of game 1920815608
    Just making sure this isn't a serious post right?

    (Not saying the play is bad but its an awfully weird hand to post. Especially posting no reads at all)
    dude was playing 23/8, liked minraising low card flops. Has a huge agg faktor on the turn(6.33). Pretty much bets every time when checked to in this situation, hence I have plenty of fold equity and its very hard to put me on a bluff taking this line.
  22. #22
    ** Game ID 1713209597 starting - 2007-11-10 20:03:27
    ** Kesteven [Hold 'em] (10.00|20.00 No Limit - Cash Game) Real Money

    - mafjuw sitting in seat 1 with $3229.00
    - _GargameL_ sitting in seat 2 with $2177.00
    - TjockFetSumo sitting in seat 3 with $3921.00
    - kv01mlg sitting in seat 4 with $2601.00
    - FamousGrouse sitting in seat 5 with $5838.00 [Dealer]
    - Cocco_Bill sitting in seat 6 with $1970.00


    Cocco_Bill posted the small blind - $10.00
    mafjuw posted the big blind - $20.00
    ** Dealing card to Cocco_Bill: :Kd:, :Qs:
    _GargameL_ folded
    TjockFetSumo folded
    kv01mlg folded
    FamousGrouse raised - $120.00
    Cocco_Bill raised - $370.00
    mafjuw folded
    FamousGrouse called - $370.00

    ** Dealing the flop: , ,
    Cocco_Bill bet - $599.00
    FamousGrouse called - $599.00

    ** Dealing the turn: :Ts:
    Cocco_Bill went all-in - $1011.00
    FamousGrouse called - $1011.00

    ** Dealing the river: :Ad:
    Cocco_Bill shows: :Kd:, :Qs:
    FamousGrouse mucks:
    Cocco_Bill wins $3977.00 from the main pot

    End of game 1713209597
  23. #23
    lol 76?
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    Unimpressive regular, 16/14/6.5. Wasn't too sure what to make up his donk bet as he had never done it before which is why I raised it.


    Texas Hold'em $1-$2 NL (real money), hand #P4-62066804-488
    Table Chicago, 2 Mar 2008 11:40 PM ET

    Seat 1: GreenAngel- ($118.00 in chips)
    Seat 7: kevindang ($241.70 in chips)
    Seat 8: spikymarlin ($173.00 in chips)
    Seat 9: frolches ($312.60 in chips)
    Seat 10: Galapogos [ J,7 ] ($117.75 in chips)

    Antes/Blinds
    GreenAngel- posts blind ($0.50), kevindang posts blind ($1).

    Pre-Flop
    spikymarlin folds, frolches folds, Galapogos bets $4, GreenAngel- calls $3.50, kevindang folds.

    Flop [board cards 8,3,5 ]
    GreenAngel- bets $6, Galapogos bets $20, GreenAngel- calls $14.

    Turn [board cards 8,3,5,2 ]
    GreenAngel- checks, Galapogos checks.

    River [board cards 8,3,5,2,4 ]
    GreenAngel- checks, Galapogos bets $40


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    I don't get why you insist on stacking off with like jack high all the time.
  25. #25
    Quote Originally Posted by Galapogos
    Unimpressive regular, 16/14/6.5. Wasn't too sure what to make up his donk bet as he had never done it before which is why I raised it.


    Texas Hold'em $1-$2 NL (real money), hand #P4-62066804-488
    Table Chicago, 2 Mar 2008 11:40 PM ET

    Seat 1: GreenAngel- ($118.00 in chips)
    Seat 7: kevindang ($241.70 in chips)
    Seat 8: spikymarlin ($173.00 in chips)
    Seat 9: frolches ($312.60 in chips)
    Seat 10: Galapogos [ J,7 ] ($117.75 in chips)

    Antes/Blinds
    GreenAngel- posts blind ($0.50), kevindang posts blind ($1).

    Pre-Flop
    spikymarlin folds, frolches folds, Galapogos bets $4, GreenAngel- calls $3.50, kevindang folds.

    Flop [board cards 8,3,5 ]
    GreenAngel- bets $6, Galapogos bets $20, GreenAngel- calls $14.

    Turn [board cards 8,3,5,2 ]
    GreenAngel- checks, Galapogos checks.

    River [board cards 8,3,5,2,4 ]
    GreenAngel- checks, Galapogos bets $40
    I think its more profitable to make a smaller sized river bluff.
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    STAGE #933847968: HOLDEM NO LIMIT $1 - 2008-03-16 20:03:45 (ET)
    Table: FAIRBROOK CT (Real Money) Seat #2 is the dealer
    Seat 2 - CHURCH1011 ($87.67 in chips)
    Seat 3 - ILUVLINDSAY ($171 in chips)
    Seat 4 - MIFFED22001 ($200 in chips)
    Seat 5 - ANYACES ($76.07 in chips)
    Seat 6 - 2006STANGGT ($129.18 in chips)
    Seat 1 - ODLOZILIK ($199.43 in chips)
    ILUVLINDSAY - Posts small blind $0.50
    MIFFED22001 - Posts big blind $1
    *** POCKET CARDS ***
    Dealt to MIFFED22001 [Qs Kc]
    ANYACES - Folds
    2006STANGGT - Calls $1
    ODLOZILIK - Folds
    CHURCH1011 - Folds
    ILUVLINDSAY - Calls $0.50
    MIFFED22001 - Raises $4 to $5
    2006STANGGT - Calls $4
    ILUVLINDSAY - Calls $4
    *** FLOP *** [As 8c 2d]
    ILUVLINDSAY - Checks
    MIFFED22001 - Bets $11
    2006STANGGT - Folds
    ILUVLINDSAY - Calls $11
    *** TURN *** [As 8c 2d] [8s]
    ILUVLINDSAY - Checks
    MIFFED22001 - Bets $22
    ILUVLINDSAY - Calls $22
    *** RIVER *** [As 8c 2d 8s] [3d]
    ILUVLINDSAY - Checks
    MIFFED22001 - Bets $77
    ILUVLINDSAY - Calls $77
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    MIFFED22001 - Shows [Qs Kc] (One pair, eights)
    ILUVLINDSAY - Shows [Jc Ah] (Two Pair, aces and eights)
    ILUVLINDSAY Collects $231.50 from main pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total Pot($235) | Rake ($3) | Jackpot Rake ($0.50)
    Board [As 8c 2d 8s 3d]
    Seat 1: ODLOZILIK Folded on the POCKET CARDS
    Seat 2: CHURCH1011 (dealer) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
    Seat 3: ILUVLINDSAY (small blind) won Total ($231.50) HI$231.50) with Two Pair, aces and eights [Jc Ah - B:As,P:Ah,B:8s,B:8c,P:Jc]
    Seat 4: MIFFED22001 (big blind) HI:lost with One pair, eights [Qs Kc - B:8s,B:8c,B:As,P:Kc,P:Qs]
    Seat 5: ANYACES Folded on the POCKET CARDS
    Seat 6: 2006STANGGT Folded on the FLOP

    24/21/4 image that we have here
  27. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by Miffed22001
    STAGE #933847968: HOLDEM NO LIMIT $1 - 2008-03-16 20:03:45 (ET)
    Table: FAIRBROOK CT (Real Money) Seat #2 is the dealer
    Seat 2 - CHURCH1011 ($87.67 in chips)
    Seat 3 - ILUVLINDSAY ($171 in chips)
    Seat 4 - MIFFED22001 ($200 in chips)
    Seat 5 - ANYACES ($76.07 in chips)
    Seat 6 - 2006STANGGT ($129.18 in chips)
    Seat 1 - ODLOZILIK ($199.43 in chips)
    ILUVLINDSAY - Posts small blind $0.50
    MIFFED22001 - Posts big blind $1
    *** POCKET CARDS ***
    Dealt to MIFFED22001 [Qs Kc]
    ANYACES - Folds
    2006STANGGT - Calls $1
    ODLOZILIK - Folds
    CHURCH1011 - Folds
    ILUVLINDSAY - Calls $0.50
    MIFFED22001 - Raises $4 to $5
    2006STANGGT - Calls $4
    ILUVLINDSAY - Calls $4
    *** FLOP *** [As 8c 2d]
    ILUVLINDSAY - Checks
    MIFFED22001 - Bets $11
    2006STANGGT - Folds
    ILUVLINDSAY - Calls $11
    *** TURN *** [As 8c 2d] [8s]
    ILUVLINDSAY - Checks
    MIFFED22001 - Bets $22
    ILUVLINDSAY - Calls $22
    *** RIVER *** [As 8c 2d 8s] [3d]
    ILUVLINDSAY - Checks
    MIFFED22001 - Bets $77
    ILUVLINDSAY - Calls $77
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    MIFFED22001 - Shows [Qs Kc] (One pair, eights)
    ILUVLINDSAY - Shows [Jc Ah] (Two Pair, aces and eights)
    ILUVLINDSAY Collects $231.50 from main pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total Pot($235) | Rake ($3) | Jackpot Rake ($0.50)
    Board [As 8c 2d 8s 3d]
    Seat 1: ODLOZILIK Folded on the POCKET CARDS
    Seat 2: CHURCH1011 (dealer) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
    Seat 3: ILUVLINDSAY (small blind) won Total ($231.50) HI$231.50) with Two Pair, aces and eights [Jc Ah - B:As,P:Ah,B:8s,B:8c,P:Jc]
    Seat 4: MIFFED22001 (big blind) HI:lost with One pair, eights [Qs Kc - B:8s,B:8c,B:As,P:Kc,P:Qs]
    Seat 5: ANYACES Folded on the POCKET CARDS
    Seat 6: 2006STANGGT Folded on the FLOP

    24/21/4 image that we have here
    1. No one folds a top pair Ace.
    2. Turn card is not a good two barrel. Opps range includes Ax, pocket pairs, and midpair 8's. When we bet again he's only folding pocket pair so it's not good with no draw. I don't like river because he clearly has an Ace and people don't fold those.
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  28. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by Galapogos
    Unimpressive regular, 16/14/6.5. Wasn't too sure what to make up his donk bet as he had never done it before which is why I raised it.


    Texas Hold'em $1-$2 NL (real money), hand #P4-62066804-488
    Table Chicago, 2 Mar 2008 11:40 PM ET

    Seat 1: GreenAngel- ($118.00 in chips)
    Seat 7: kevindang ($241.70 in chips)
    Seat 8: spikymarlin ($173.00 in chips)
    Seat 9: frolches ($312.60 in chips)
    Seat 10: Galapogos [ J,7 ] ($117.75 in chips)

    Antes/Blinds
    GreenAngel- posts blind ($0.50), kevindang posts blind ($1).

    Pre-Flop
    spikymarlin folds, frolches folds, Galapogos bets $4, GreenAngel- calls $3.50, kevindang folds.

    Flop [board cards 8,3,5 ]
    GreenAngel- bets $6, Galapogos bets $20, GreenAngel- calls $14.

    Turn [board cards 8,3,5,2 ]
    GreenAngel- checks, Galapogos checks.

    River [board cards 8,3,5,2,4 ]
    GreenAngel- checks, Galapogos bets $40
    Galapogos,

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  29. #29
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    Seat 1: EDER1982 ($618.25 in chips)
    Seat 2: AQUA RAIDER ($289 in chips)
    Seat 3: PiS.ToTo ($659.50 in chips)
    Seat 4: Bokenwolves ($1177.95 in chips)
    Seat 5: nutsinho ($602.40 in chips)
    Seat 6: ritapoon ($291.50 in chips)
    Bokenwolves: posts small blind $3
    nutsinho: posts big blind $6
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to nutsinho [Qs 8s]
    ritapoon: folds
    EDER1982: folds
    AQUA RAIDER: folds
    PiS.ToTo: raises $18 to $24
    Bokenwolves: calls $21
    nutsinho: calls $18
    *** FLOP *** [Td 4s 9d]
    Bokenwolves: checks
    nutsinho: checks
    PiS.ToTo: bets $42
    Bokenwolves: calls $42
    nutsinho: raises $114 to $156
    PiS.ToTo: calls $114
    Bokenwolves: folds
    *** TURN *** [Td 4s 9d] [Ad]
    nutsinho: bets $422.40 and is all-in
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    Gonna read the other hands after sleeping, right now I just want to throw in my own bluff:

    CO runs 20/10/2-ish, we have no history that I can remember and I haven't been playing long at this table so no image.

    SB runs 45/4/2 and is pretty much a station.

    $2/$4 No Limit Holdem
    5 players
    Converted at weaktight.com

    Stacks:
    UTG ($394.00)
    CO ($818.00)
    BTN ($509.30)
    SB ($321.98)
    Hero ($431.40)

    Pre-flop: ($6, 5 players) Hero is BB
    1 fold, CO raises to $16, 1 fold, SB calls $14, Hero calls $12

    Flop: ($48, 3 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets $38, CO calls $38, SB folds

    Turn: ($124, 2 players)
    Hero bets $90, CO calls $90

    River: ($304, 2 players)
    Hero bets $287.4 ...
  31. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by HalvSame
    Gonna read the other hands after sleeping, right now I just want to throw in my own bluff:

    CO runs 20/10/2-ish, we have no history that I can remember and I haven't been playing long at this table so no image.

    SB runs 45/4/2 and is pretty much a station.

    $2/$4 No Limit Holdem
    5 players
    Converted at weaktight.com

    Stacks:
    UTG ($394.00)
    CO ($818.00)
    BTN ($509.30)
    SB ($321.98)
    Hero ($431.40)

    Pre-flop: ($6, 5 players) Hero is BB
    1 fold, CO raises to $16, 1 fold, SB calls $14, Hero calls $12

    Flop: ($48, 3 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets $38, CO calls $38, SB folds

    Turn: ($124, 2 players)
    Hero bets $90, CO calls $90

    River: ($304, 2 players)
    Hero bets $287.4 ...
    Those are bad cards to bluff at IMO. when he calls the turn he has at least an ace and less likely some other draw. He is not folding most of the time on the river.
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    The SB was the station and folded the flop. I don't really have a read on the CO other than the stats.

    edit: bleh, nice ninja edit. Do you dislike the turn bet as well as the river bet?
  33. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by nutsinho
    Seat 1: EDER1982 ($618.25 in chips)
    Seat 2: AQUA RAIDER ($289 in chips)
    Seat 3: PiS.ToTo ($659.50 in chips)
    Seat 4: Bokenwolves ($1177.95 in chips)
    Seat 5: nutsinho ($602.40 in chips)
    Seat 6: ritapoon ($291.50 in chips)
    Bokenwolves: posts small blind $3
    nutsinho: posts big blind $6
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to nutsinho [Qs 8s]
    ritapoon: folds
    EDER1982: folds
    AQUA RAIDER: folds
    PiS.ToTo: raises $18 to $24
    Bokenwolves: calls $21
    nutsinho: calls $18
    *** FLOP *** [Td 4s 9d]
    Bokenwolves: checks
    nutsinho: checks
    PiS.ToTo: bets $42
    Bokenwolves: calls $42
    nutsinho: raises $114 to $156
    PiS.ToTo: calls $114
    Bokenwolves: folds
    *** TURN *** [Td 4s 9d] [Ad]
    nutsinho: bets $422.40 and is all-in
    Would you make that flop play with a strong draw? Turn is ok as he has Jacks to kings some of the time and probably does not have a flush draw. Very hard for him to call.
  34. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by HalvSame
    The SB was the station and folded the flop. I don't really have a read on the CO other than the stats.

    edit: bleh, nice ninja edit. Do you dislike the turn bet as well as the river bet?
    The turn is opponent dependent so there is no correkt answer IMO, if he floats a lot with medium pair type holdings a double barrell is good. Is he passive when checked to, much pot control?
  35. #35
    Quote Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan
    I never give donkament players credit for thin value betting, for good reason, and I'm guessing you agree.
    Wellllll, it's not so much that they don't thin value bet, it's that they suck at balancing their range. For example let's say it's a blind battle, SB limps and we check T7o. Flop is J87 and he bets 1/2 pot, we call. Turn is another J, check check, river 2, he bets 1/3 pot. Random donkament player has an 8 here like always and I've just stopped paying them off. If he had a J he'd bet more, if he wanted to bluff he'd bet more, if he didn't suck he'd bet more. It's like they have this weird "second pair" bet size that's specifically reserved for situations when they have second pair. There are a lot of people like this at low-stakes cash games too.

    Like you said though, occasionally people show up with the nuts when they bet so small so you can't just auto-raise these bets. Anyway thanks for the analysis, I liked it.
  36. #36
    $0.05/$0.1 No Limit Holdem
    8 players
    Converted at weaktight.com

    Stacks:
    UTG ($9.95)
    UTG 1 ($1.70)
    MP1 ($3.90)
    MP2 ($6.25)
    Hero ($11.25)
    BTN ($12.25)
    SB ($6.10)
    BB ($1.75)

    Pre-flop: ($0.15, 8 players) Hero is CO
    3 folds, MP2 raises to $0.2, Hero calls $0.2, 1 fold, SB calls $0.15, 1 fold

    Flop: ($0.7, 3 players)
    SB checks, MP2 bets $0.5, Hero calls $0.5, SB folds

    Turn: ($1.7, 2 players)
    MP2 bets $0.6, Hero raises to $1.5, MP2 calls $0.9

    River: ($4.7, 2 players)
    MP2 checks, Hero bets $2.75...
  37. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by nutsinho
    Seat 1: EDER1982 ($618.25 in chips)
    Seat 2: AQUA RAIDER ($289 in chips)
    Seat 3: PiS.ToTo ($659.50 in chips)
    Seat 4: Bokenwolves ($1177.95 in chips)
    Seat 5: nutsinho ($602.40 in chips)
    Seat 6: ritapoon ($291.50 in chips)
    Bokenwolves: posts small blind $3
    nutsinho: posts big blind $6
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to nutsinho [Qs 8s]
    ritapoon: folds
    EDER1982: folds
    AQUA RAIDER: folds
    PiS.ToTo: raises $18 to $24
    Bokenwolves: calls $21
    nutsinho: calls $18
    *** FLOP *** [Td 4s 9d]
    Bokenwolves: checks
    nutsinho: checks
    PiS.ToTo: bets $42
    Bokenwolves: calls $42
    nutsinho: raises $114 to $156
    PiS.ToTo: calls $114
    Bokenwolves: folds
    *** TURN *** [Td 4s 9d] [Ad]
    nutsinho: bets $422.40 and is all-in
    Although I know PiS.ToTo, make sure to post reads next time .

    Flop raise is okay, but its not great. Even if Pis.ToTo folds which is less likely from his lower cbet % here, we have a guy behind us (if he's a reg than nvm) who could end up shoving behind a fd or a T. Though its likely Pis folds a JT/QT type hand.

    Letting that slide, when he calls the flop it really surprises me. If your image is super tight, tell me this, as I assume its not the case. I'd assume he'd shove any fd or any hand he'd want to take to showdown. So I feel like he either decided to call with these hands and hoped for some reason you make a bigger mistake thin vbetting the turn than calling a flop shove, or he has a low fd and doesnt think he can shove the flop profitably. That being said, it's unlikely I continue on the turn here ever. But the best card in the deck for us just came, so I don't mind it. Let's just hope he doesn't have a low fd like I pondered.
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  38. #38
    Quote Originally Posted by HalvSame
    Gonna read the other hands after sleeping, right now I just want to throw in my own bluff:

    CO runs 20/10/2-ish, we have no history that I can remember and I haven't been playing long at this table so no image.

    SB runs 45/4/2 and is pretty much a station.

    $2/$4 No Limit Holdem
    5 players
    Converted at weaktight.com

    Stacks:
    UTG ($394.00)
    CO ($818.00)
    BTN ($509.30)
    SB ($321.98)
    Hero ($431.40)

    Pre-flop: ($6, 5 players) Hero is BB
    1 fold, CO raises to $16, 1 fold, SB calls $14, Hero calls $12

    Flop: ($48, 3 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets $38, CO calls $38, SB folds

    Turn: ($124, 2 players)
    Hero bets $90, CO calls $90

    River: ($304, 2 players)
    Hero bets $287.4 ...
    After he calls the turn I can't imagine him folding the river. Also, he can easily put you on exactly what you have. This is the type of move ill pull on bad nits, but not on unknownish's.
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  39. #39
    Quote Originally Posted by ThelVlaster
    $0.05/$0.1 No Limit Holdem
    8 players
    Converted at weaktight.com

    Stacks:
    UTG ($9.95)
    UTG 1 ($1.70)
    MP1 ($3.90)
    MP2 ($6.25)
    Hero ($11.25)
    BTN ($12.25)
    SB ($6.10)
    BB ($1.75)

    Pre-flop: ($0.15, 8 players) Hero is CO
    3 folds, MP2 raises to $0.2, Hero calls $0.2, 1 fold, SB calls $0.15, 1 fold

    Flop: ($0.7, 3 players)
    SB checks, MP2 bets $0.5, Hero calls $0.5, SB folds

    Turn: ($1.7, 2 players)
    MP2 bets $0.6, Hero raises to $1.5, MP2 calls $0.9

    River: ($4.7, 2 players)
    MP2 checks, Hero bets $2.75...
    Again when you post, post whatever reads you have.

    Preflop is questionable in my mind, I'd rather just muck it, but its fine.

    On the flop, calling a gutter here is fine.

    Turn is where your play gets bad. He is never folding a 9 or an overpair here. This is 10nl, it's a pretty safe assumption that is the case. So we simply can't raise, since that is most of his range. Bluffing at 10nl with less than a fd or a oesd normally is a pretty stupid idea when our opponent has either raised or bet into us, because their betting and raising ranges are too tight and they don't fold enough. By making this play, we are actually handing them over money in a whole sense. They have a leak: Too tight of a betting range and too loose of a calling range and not enough of a bluffing range, and we're not exploting it. Exploiting this leak is folding... a lot. Folding until we have a hand that has value against his range.

    River is a must with turn, but real discussion is on turn. I'd probably do something like this with a clean image versus a good reg at 400nl or something, although I'd raise prob 4x on the turn and shove river.
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  40. #40
    Full ring, live casino PLHE, 2-2 blinds, the live straddle is on. A tagg throws in a 20 GBP note, then announces raise, but because he didn't say raise beforehand they tell him that is a call. He grumbles but complies. I happily limp behind with QJs in the CO, BTN limps behind, straddler checks. BTN is a player who believes himself to be great.

    Flop is KTx two-tone. It's limped to me, and because I know BTN's tendency to make a big pot-sized bet here if I check, I decide to throw in a 2/3 pot bet instead. BTN calls, everybody else folds.

    Turn comes a blank card, and BTN has called me light on the flop before, but I decide not to fire another barrell. He checks behind, and I'm stoked to get a free card.

    River completes a flush. I fire 2/3 pot with my busted straight draw. He grumbles that I must have a flush, and folds KQo face up.
  41. #41
    Bump,'

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  42. #42
    I have a good image and stacked tight villain a few hands ago (villain runs about 18/14ish, not a spewtard but he bet-called riv with bare trips on river after I flatted his turn lead with a turned straight.

    NL 5-10, 1150$ bb eff stacks.

    I raise JTss from button, villain repops to 135 I call (obv preflop I'm not losing anything by folding...).

    Flop he bets 165 into 270ish I call.

    Turn is board now reads

    He thinks for about 5 secs and checks. I tank and check back.

    River is pot is 600ish with 800 behind.

    He checks after about 3 secs. I get the feeling he's looking to check-call.

    I shove.
    when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
  43. #43
    Quote Originally Posted by Genitruc
    I have a good image and stacked tight villain a few hands ago (villain runs about 18/14ish, not a spewtard but he bet-called riv with bare trips on river after I flatted his turn lead with a turned straight.

    NL 5-10, 1150$ bb eff stacks.

    I raise JTss from button, villain repops to 135 I call (obv preflop I'm not losing anything by folding...).

    Flop he bets 165 into 270ish I call.

    Turn is board now reads

    He thinks for about 5 secs and checks. I tank and check back.

    River is pot is 600ish with 800 behind.

    He checks after about 3 secs. I get the feeling he's looking to check-call.

    I shove.
    How emphatic.

    Idk how much opp threebets but id probably fold pre against typical 18/14's. He may be a looser threebettor than i think though?

    Hand is totally fine, river shove is good although tbh i prefer something like 500.

    8 out of 10.
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  44. #44
    cool.

    i suppose the call pre is mainly because it was shortly after he got stacked and I feel like most players when they are pissed tend to just open things up a bit more. maybe i m just projecting my own not-so-subtle tilt I dunno.
    when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
  45. #45
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    Not sure if your doing FR hands, but if so. Villain is a decent 13/10/3 reg over a 8k hand sample. He has a flop c/r % of around 9%.

    I kinda feel I butchered this hand, but maybe not. On flop, would I be best just checking this back, as I could likely be facing a c/r a decent % of the time? After cbetting the flop, and not seeing a c/r is it okay to decide to attempt to barrel him off suspected KJ, QJ, etc type hands? And well, I figured after betting flop/turn, that to not bet river would be horrible as I'm never ahead here, and given he didn't c/r at any point his range is likely moderately weak. Thoughts?

    $1/$2 No Limit Holdem
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    Stacks:
    UTG Midnite Fox ($179.00)
    UTG+1 RSSmoot ($200.00)
    MP1 HowHai ($365.00)
    MP2 daniela249 ($490.00)
    CO Hero ($216.00)
    BTN jackk frost ($296.00)
    SB booger369 ($213.00)
    BB bostonhitman ($200.00)

    Pre-flop: ($3, 8 players) Hero is CO
    4 folds, Hero raises to $6, 1 fold, booger369 calls $5, 1 fold

    Flop: ($14, 2 players)
    booger369 checks, Hero bets $10, booger369 calls $10

    Turn: ($34, 2 players)
    booger369 checks, Hero bets $22, booger369 calls $22

    River: ($78, 2 players)
    booger369 checks, Hero bets $62
  46. #46
    Quote Originally Posted by XxStacksxX
    Villain is a decent 13/10/3 reg
    lol FR
  47. #47
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    Quote Originally Posted by zook
    Quote Originally Posted by XxStacksxX
    Villain is a decent 13/10/3 reg
    lol FR
    Your words hurt me deeply . But 1/2 FR sure seems softer than the .50/1 6m games at this time (at least to me, but I'm still a 6m newbie), so might as well, amirite?
  48. #48
    Quote Originally Posted by XxStacksxX
    so might as well, amirite?
    Oh yeah, wasn't knocking you, just that those stats and the words "decent reg" could be used in sequence. Play on playa!
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    Quote Originally Posted by zook
    Quote Originally Posted by XxStacksxX
    so might as well, amirite?
    Oh yeah, wasn't knocking you, just that those stats and the words "decent reg" could be used in sequence. Play on playa!
    I know you weren't. You luz me obv.
  50. #50
    Quote Originally Posted by XxStacksxX
    Not sure if your doing FR hands, but if so. Villain is a decent 13/10/3 reg over a 8k hand sample. He has a flop c/r % of around 9%.

    I kinda feel I butchered this hand, but maybe not. On flop, would I be best just checking this back, as I could likely be facing a c/r a decent % of the time? After cbetting the flop, and not seeing a c/r is it okay to decide to attempt to barrel him off suspected KJ, QJ, etc type hands? And well, I figured after betting flop/turn, that to not bet river would be horrible as I'm never ahead here, and given he didn't c/r at any point his range is likely moderately weak. Thoughts?

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    8 players
    Converted at weaktight.com

    Stacks:
    UTG Midnite Fox ($179.00)
    UTG+1 RSSmoot ($200.00)
    MP1 HowHai ($365.00)
    MP2 daniela249 ($490.00)
    CO Hero ($216.00)
    BTN jackk frost ($296.00)
    SB booger369 ($213.00)
    BB bostonhitman ($200.00)

    Pre-flop: ($3, 8 players) Hero is CO
    4 folds, Hero raises to $6, 1 fold, booger369 calls $5, 1 fold

    Flop: ($14, 2 players)
    booger369 checks, Hero bets $10, booger369 calls $10

    Turn: ($34, 2 players)
    booger369 checks, Hero bets $22, booger369 calls $22

    River: ($78, 2 players)
    booger369 checks, Hero bets $62
    Okay on flop, when he calls from the SB his range is probably a lot stronger than yours so you should be checking back a bunch.

    Here though you do have a backdoor fd and an over card with probably no sd value so cbetting is okay I think.

    On the turn, there are a lot of hands that you could double barrel. Q9, KQ, 89, AQ, AK, any fd any gutshot. Your hand has sd value against AQ and 55/44 now so id probably just check it back now.

    River id check again since now he surely has a jack and there's no point in trying to get him to fold when you know his range is strong. fd missed too its more callable.
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  51. #51
    Seat 2: Arconene75 ($113.80 in chips)
    Seat 3: Kid Cashflow ($100 in chips)
    Seat 4: easyshove ($142.40 in chips)
    Seat 5: Marshall28 ($153.55 in chips)
    Seat 6: cmorecrds ($132.60 in chips)
    easyshove: posts small blind $0.50
    Marshall28: posts big blind $1
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Marshall28 [Tc Ts]
    cmorecrds: raises $3 to $4
    Arconene75: folds
    Kid Cashflow: folds
    easyshove: folds
    Marshall28: calls $3
    *** FLOP *** [7d Kd Kc]
    Hurricane23 joins the table at seat #1
    Marshall28: bets $6
    cmorecrds: calls $6
    *** TURN *** [7d Kd Kc] [Qd]
    Marshall28: bets $14
    cmorecrds: calls $14
    *** RIVER *** [7d Kd Kc Qd] [Jd]
    Marshall28: checks
    cmorecrds: bets $36
    Marshall28: raises $93.55 to $129.55 and is all-in

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  52. #52
    Quote Originally Posted by Marshall28
    Seat 2: Arconene75 ($113.80 in chips)
    Seat 3: Kid Cashflow ($100 in chips)
    Seat 4: easyshove ($142.40 in chips)
    Seat 5: Marshall28 ($153.55 in chips)
    Seat 6: cmorecrds ($132.60 in chips)
    easyshove: posts small blind $0.50
    Marshall28: posts big blind $1
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Marshall28 [Tc Ts]
    cmorecrds: raises $3 to $4
    Arconene75: folds
    Kid Cashflow: folds
    easyshove: folds
    Marshall28: calls $3
    *** FLOP *** [7d Kd Kc]
    Hurricane23 joins the table at seat #1
    Marshall28: bets $6
    cmorecrds: calls $6
    *** TURN *** [7d Kd Kc] [Qd]
    Marshall28: bets $14
    cmorecrds: calls $14
    *** RIVER *** [7d Kd Kc Qd] [Jd]
    Marshall28: checks
    cmorecrds: bets $36
    Marshall28: raises $93.55 to $129.55 and is all-in

    ISF, plz give me wisdom.
    Marshall,

    The bet bet check and then opp bets line is something that rarely happens in poker since normally when you check the river, its your opponent who is shoving or checking with 100bb's.

    The thing is on the flop, your opponent raised UTG, meaning he has a strong range. Overall, I think he cbets everything so id go for the c/c. As played, you really cant continue to bet on the turn, as he'll probably call more hands that your losing to than call a hand that you are beating, even when he calls with worse if he has a diamond then we're screwed. The thing I like about c/c the flop: not a lot of draws, so we're rarely getting bluffed off by worse on the turn (unless the diamond comes like it did).

    On the river: I like the check but just fold He could easily have KK, AdK, KQ, QQ, JJ, AdJ, AJd all of which is either not folding or is probably not folding. He probably folds AQ no diamond though, but your c/r is into a range that has boats more than you think. And people are stupid they won't want to fold the Ad here. They also normally wouldn't vbet less than a Jd here.

    I think its a decent idea just def not +EV

    EDIT: Thanks mcat edited my post your right I didnt notice the 4 diamonds.
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  53. #53
    There's 4 diamonds on the board Danny.
  54. #54
    I felt like he has to raise the turn w/ anything but KQ/QQ and that he's going to have a big diamond fairly frequently since he should know I have a tendency to lead big hands.

    I thought he could also have KJ but only KxJd, but Jd fell on the river so I think he can't have that. I thought he's value betting something like AdKx naked Kx on the river and I can rep KQ/QQ/KJ/JJ. Is this wrong?
  55. #55
    I guess this is a semi bluff but anyways.
    Villain is big losing player, not sure about his tendencies though. His 3 bet was so small I decided to call ip with this hand.
    His c bet is smallish too 3 way and I decided he'd fold alot to a raise. He didn't but I pick up outs on the turn and he checks, plus I set up a tidy little full pot shove. Thoughts?


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    MP: $100
    CO: $94.40
    Hero (BTN): $197.50
    SB: $123.30
    BB: $101

    Pre-Flop: 4 5 dealt to Hero (BTN)
    UTG raises to $3.50, MP folds, CO raises to $6, Hero calls $6, 2 folds, UTG calls $2.50

    Flop: ($19.50) 5 T 6 (3 Players)
    UTG checks, CO bets $9, Hero raises to $24, UTG folds, CO calls $15

    Turn: ($67.50) 3 (2 Players)
    CO checks, [color=red]Hero bets $167.50 and is All-In
  56. #56
    def fold pre

    as played id fold flop

    as played id just check behind
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  57. #57
    Villain is a nitty below average regular who I don't really have any history with. I feel like once I bet the turn I have to bet the river right? Once he checks the river I never expect him to have a boat or an 8.

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    saw flop

    Button ($382)
    SB ($475.65)
    BB ($398)
    Hero (UTG) ($400)
    MP ($400)
    CO ($620.10)

    Preflop: Hero is UTG with A, J
    Hero bets $16, 4 folds, BB calls $12

    Flop: ($34) 2, 6, 8 (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets $24, BB calls $24

    Turn: ($82) 10 (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets $52, BB calls $52

    River: ($186) 8 (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets $133,
  58. #58
    Villain is a standard TAGG reg.

    No-Limit Hold'em, $2.00 BB (8 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    saw flop

    BB ($46.55)
    UTG ($50)
    UTG+1 ($109.30)
    MP1 ($233.05)
    Hero (MP2) ($404)
    CO ($207)
    Button ($468.15)
    SB ($42)

    Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 7, 8
    3 folds, Hero bets $6, CO calls $6, 3 folds

    Flop: ($15) 4, 5, A (2 players)
    Hero bets $10, CO calls $10

    Turn: ($35) 10 (2 players)
    Hero bets $24, CO calls $24

    River: ($83) K (2 players)
    Hero bets $74

    and

    Another reg, 15/12 at. to steal 33.

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    saw flop

    Button ($101.50)
    SB ($200)
    Hero (BB) ($342.80)
    UTG ($200)
    UTG+1 ($377.30)
    MP1 ($251.80)
    MP2 ($141.30)
    CO ($244.20)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with 10, J
    4 folds, CO bets $6, 2 folds, Hero calls $4

    Flop: ($13) 8, 5, 6 (2 players)
    Hero checks, CO bets $10, Hero raises $32, CO calls $22

    Turn: ($77) 7 (2 players)
    Hero bets $55
  59. #59
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    HH is a bit off, it´s 5 handed and Im the CO. The villian is an aggro reg.
    $0.25/$0.5 No Limit Holdem
    5 players
    Converted at weaktight.com

    Stacks:
    CO ($46.37)
    BTN ($13.02)
    SB ($54.67)
    BB ($119.18)

    Pre-flop: ($0.75, 5 players) Hero is
    2 folds, Hero raises to $1.50, SB calls $1.25, BB calls $1

    Flop: ($4.50, 3 players)
    SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $3.50, SB raises to $11, BB folds, Hero calls $7.50

    Turn: ($26.50, 2 players)
    SB bets $15, Hero raises to $43.22
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  60. #60
    this was the 3rd time villain had 3bet from the blinds and in both other cases was very LAGGY post flop

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    SB ($58.70)
    BB ($88.15)
    UTG ($65.25)
    MP ($29.05)
    Hero (CO) ($50)

    Preflop: Hero is CO with A, K
    2 folds, Hero bets $1.50, 1 fold, SB calls $1.25, 1 fold

    Flop: ($3.50) 8, 2, J (2 players)
    SB checks, Hero checks

    Turn: ($3.50) 6 (2 players)
    SB bets $3.50, Hero calls $3.50

    River: ($10.50) 9 (2 players)
    SB bets $7, Hero raises to $20,
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  61. #61
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    [] Villain 3-bet from the blinds.
    Just dipping my toes back in.
  62. #62
    Quote Originally Posted by meeloche
    Villain is a nitty below average regular who I don't really have any history with. I feel like once I bet the turn I have to bet the river right? Once he checks the river I never expect him to have a boat or an 8.

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    saw flop

    Button ($382)
    SB ($475.65)
    BB ($398)
    Hero (UTG) ($400)
    MP ($400)
    CO ($620.10)

    Preflop: Hero is UTG with A, J
    Hero bets $16, 4 folds, BB calls $12

    Flop: ($34) 2, 6, 8 (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets $24, BB calls $24

    Turn: ($82) 10 (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets $52, BB calls $52

    River: ($186) 8 (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets $133,
    I dont cbet flop, he called a UTG range from the BB, his range is strong.

    i probably wouldnt bet turn as played, but river is fine.
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  63. #63
    Quote Originally Posted by gametight
    Villain is a standard TAGG reg.

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    saw flop

    BB ($46.55)
    UTG ($50)
    UTG+1 ($109.30)
    MP1 ($233.05)
    Hero (MP2) ($404)
    CO ($207)
    Button ($468.15)
    SB ($42)

    Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 7, 8
    3 folds, Hero bets $6, CO calls $6, 3 folds

    Flop: ($15) 4, 5, A (2 players)
    Hero bets $10, CO calls $10

    Turn: ($35) 10 (2 players)
    Hero bets $24, CO calls $24

    River: ($83) K (2 players)
    Hero bets $74

    and

    Another reg, 15/12 at. to steal 33.

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    saw flop

    Button ($101.50)
    SB ($200)
    Hero (BB) ($342.80)
    UTG ($200)
    UTG+1 ($377.30)
    MP1 ($251.80)
    MP2 ($141.30)
    CO ($244.20)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with 10, J
    4 folds, CO bets $6, 2 folds, Hero calls $4

    Flop: ($13) 8, 5, 6 (2 players)
    Hero checks, CO bets $10, Hero raises $32, CO calls $22

    Turn: ($77) 7 (2 players)
    Hero bets $55
    Hand 1: Since both fd's missed id prob just check.
    Hand 2: Looks alright
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  64. #64
    Quote Originally Posted by XTR1000
    HH is a bit off, it´s 5 handed and Im the CO. The villian is an aggro reg.
    $0.25/$0.5 No Limit Holdem
    5 players
    Converted at weaktight.com

    Stacks:
    CO ($46.37)
    BTN ($13.02)
    SB ($54.67)
    BB ($119.18)

    Pre-flop: ($0.75, 5 players) Hero is
    2 folds, Hero raises to $1.50, SB calls $1.25, BB calls $1

    Flop: ($4.50, 3 players)
    SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $3.50, SB raises to $11, BB folds, Hero calls $7.50

    Turn: ($26.50, 2 players)
    SB bets $15, Hero raises to $43.22
    Hmmm id fold flop, multiway cbet and you have tons of hands you can play back with. He may be aggro but is he raising flops light? he's essentially repping 56,54,55,33. It's a real thin range. If he is raising cbets in spots like these a ton then this is fine. Otherwise id prob just fold and play back with small flop threebets
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  65. #65
    Quote Originally Posted by GatorJH
    this was the 3rd time villain had 3bet from the blinds and in both other cases was very LAGGY post flop

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    Button ($37)
    SB ($58.70)
    BB ($88.15)
    UTG ($65.25)
    MP ($29.05)
    Hero (CO) ($50)

    Preflop: Hero is CO with A, K
    2 folds, Hero bets $1.50, 1 fold, SB calls $1.25, 1 fold

    Flop: ($3.50) 8, 2, J (2 players)
    SB checks, Hero checks

    Turn: ($3.50) 6 (2 players)
    SB bets $3.50, Hero calls $3.50

    River: ($10.50) 9 (2 players)
    SB bets $7, Hero raises to $20,
    I'd cbet flop for sure.

    As played I'd prob fold turn. Sure, he's bluffing the turn sometimes, but when he is he'll sometimes bluff you off on river.

    On river, the thing is there is no reason he cant have a nut hand. 22, 66, 88, 99, QT, 75. Unless u have some timing tell or something that he has a one pair than ofc just fold here.
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  66. #66
    I hadn't been at the table for too long (doubled up quite quickly with a full house) but Villain doesn't tend to respect my raises and likes to 3 bet. I once saw him make the same 4.5x 3 bet when there were several callers to a raise. Everyone folded and he showed 27s. Normally I 4 bet in spots like these, but i decided to call with the intention of shoving over his probable cbet on the flop.

    Although my intention was to shove on the flop, I felt like a cold call seemed stronger. I thought that on the turn if he was truly as strong as he made it seem, he would shove, so since he checked I was quite confident that a shove would make him fold.



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    tvd25dpu $84.56
    EASYED1968 $15.20
    Eleshar $49.05
    tiptel130 $52.10
    muszu $77.75



    EASYED1968 Ante/Small blind $ 0.25
    Eleshar Big blind/Bring in $ 0.50

    rewfie40 Card dealt to a spot Ah Qd

    tiptel130 Call $ 0.50
    muszu Fold
    rewfie40 Raise $ 2.00
    tvd25dpu Call $ 2.00
    EASYED1968 Fold
    Eleshar Raise to $ 9.00
    tiptel130 Fold
    rewfie40 Call $ 7.00
    tvd25dpu Fold

    Betting round completed Last active pot = $20.75
    Card dealt to table 2d Kh 10s

    Eleshar Bet $ 14.50
    rewfie40 Call $ 14.50


    Betting round completed Last active pot = $49.75
    Card dealt to table 3s

    Eleshar Check
    rewfie40 Bet $ 26.00
  67. #67
    Quote Originally Posted by rewfie40
    I hadn't been at the table for too long (doubled up quite quickly with a full house) but Villain doesn't tend to respect my raises and likes to 3 bet. I once saw him make the same 4.5x 3 bet when there were several callers to a raise. Everyone folded and he showed 27s. Normally I 4 bet in spots like these, but i decided to call with the intention of shoving over his probable cbet on the flop.

    Although my intention was to shove on the flop, I felt like a cold call seemed stronger. I thought that on the turn if he was truly as strong as he made it seem, he would shove, so since he checked I was quite confident that a shove would make him fold.



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    tvd25dpu $84.56
    EASYED1968 $15.20
    Eleshar $49.05
    tiptel130 $52.10
    muszu $77.75



    EASYED1968 Ante/Small blind $ 0.25
    Eleshar Big blind/Bring in $ 0.50

    rewfie40 Card dealt to a spot Ah Qd

    tiptel130 Call $ 0.50
    muszu Fold
    rewfie40 Raise $ 2.00
    tvd25dpu Call $ 2.00
    EASYED1968 Fold
    Eleshar Raise to $ 9.00
    tiptel130 Fold
    rewfie40 Call $ 7.00
    tvd25dpu Fold

    Betting round completed Last active pot = $20.75
    Card dealt to table 2d Kh 10s

    Eleshar Bet $ 14.50
    rewfie40 Call $ 14.50


    Betting round completed Last active pot = $49.75
    Card dealt to table 3s

    Eleshar Check
    rewfie40 Bet $ 26.00
    I think a shove on the flop seems stronger. Although in doesn't really matter that much in this case, what we want is for him to fold 88/99/pair of tens. We're beating all air already.
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  68. #68
    Villain 15/12 I've been pretty active at the table however I haven't shown down any hands.

    Seat 1: mrmes102 ($208 in chips)
    Seat 2: encuerar ($203.15 in chips)
    Seat 5: Marshall28 ($300.65 in chips)
    Seat 6: BaggieBoyyy ($43.35 in chips)
    encuerar: posts small blind $1
    Marshall28: posts big blind $2
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Marshall28 [Qs Kh]
    BaggieBoyyy: folds
    bigwhitedog1 joins the table at seat #3
    mrmes102: raises $4 to $6
    encuerar: folds
    Marshall28: calls $4
    *** FLOP *** [9h 8s 8d]
    Marshall28: checks
    mrmes102: checks
    *** TURN *** [9h 8s 8d] [9s]
    Marshall28: bets $18
    mrmes102: calls $18
    *** RIVER *** [9h 8s 8d 9s] [9c]
    Marshall28: bets $68
  69. #69
    Quote Originally Posted by Marshall28
    Villain 15/12 I've been pretty active at the table however I haven't shown down any hands.

    Seat 1: mrmes102 ($208 in chips)
    Seat 2: encuerar ($203.15 in chips)
    Seat 5: Marshall28 ($300.65 in chips)
    Seat 6: BaggieBoyyy ($43.35 in chips)
    encuerar: posts small blind $1
    Marshall28: posts big blind $2
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Marshall28 [Qs Kh]
    BaggieBoyyy: folds
    bigwhitedog1 joins the table at seat #3
    mrmes102: raises $4 to $6
    encuerar: folds
    Marshall28: calls $4
    *** FLOP *** [9h 8s 8d]
    Marshall28: checks
    mrmes102: checks
    *** TURN *** [9h 8s 8d] [9s]
    Marshall28: bets $18
    mrmes102: calls $18
    *** RIVER *** [9h 8s 8d 9s] [9c]
    Marshall28: bets $68
    When someone checks a board this dry I don't normally lead turn light. This board is no exception, there's no way he folds Ace high to one bet and we beat everything else. I'd check and likely fold turn to a bet.

    River...Gah this is tough. If I bet i def overbet like you did. Tbh though I'd probably just c/f because a 9 is more likely than it seems. It's real close though.
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    I overbet turn, you don't like that either? What if turn is like a 5c?
  71. #71
    i never overbet any street besides the river, unless i suspect a severe imbalance in someones range or im trying to level them.

    River is worse now that i see its an overbet. Why would'nt he just flat the turn with a 9? If you bet like 8-10 he may raise sometimes, which is why I thought it was borderline.
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  73. #73
    Villain had started limping after I had been 3betting him a ton, he was doing it w/ both weak hand and decently strong ones like ATs.

    He was playing pretty straightforwardly postflop and seemed to be a decent hand reader....


    PokerStars Game #26621541836: Hold'em No Limit ($1/$2) - 2009/04/01 20:10:23 ET
    Table 'Eleonora III' 2-max Seat #1 is the button
    Seat 1: abtklo420 ($294.60 in chips)
    Seat 2: Marshall28 ($378.90 in chips)
    abtklo420: posts small blind $1
    Marshall28: posts big blind $2
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Marshall28 [3h Ad]
    abtklo420: calls $1
    Marshall28: checks
    *** FLOP *** [Ac 6h 3c]
    Marshall28: bets $4
    abtklo420: calls $4
    *** TURN *** [Ac 6h 3c] [4d]
    Marshall28: bets $8
    abtklo420: raises $22 to $30
    Marshall28: calls $22
    *** RIVER *** [Ac 6h 3c 4d] [9c]
    Marshall28: checks
    abtklo420: bets $46
    Marshall28: raises $144 to $192
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    I like the idea of it obv, its hard to gauge if its good or bad.
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