5max goes HU - turn decision

-quite a bit of dynamic with villain this session while table was 5max
-he had a very high 3bet of like 13. The first time he flatted my CO raise from button (instead of 3betting) he raised me on a K72cc board deep, I 3bet bluffed him on flop which he peeled, and barreled a 9x turn and 3x river and he called down with A9cc and won
-next hand later I bet bet J52cc hard with Jx and turn came 6c and he minraised turn (I decided that since i just showed a bluff, he'd prob let me barrel off with any strong hand) so I called, and c/c river shove and he showed QTcc

-this hand I'm torn on the turn. It is the first hand since the table broke, so first hand HU
-My read is that he'd likely peel with hands like KQ/AK/AQ on flop
-what is best, turn c/c, b/c, b/f?

$1/$2 No Limit Holdem
2 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

Stacks:
SB ($1,433.40)
Hero (BB) ($478.25)

Pre-Flop: ($3, 2 players) Hero is BB
SB raises to $5, Hero calls $3

Flop: ($10, 2 players)
Hero checks, SB bets $7, Hero raises to $20, SB calls $13

Turn: ($50, 2 players)
Hero ??

I'm going to say b/f.

bet big and hes never going to raise

lead or C/C the flop, don't like c/r due to board texture.

Originally Posted by ATOTHEC101

lead or C/C the flop, don't like c/r due to board texture.

100bb stacks I wouldn't mind leading, cause we don't mind b/3betting but stack sizes are a little awkward to b/3bet now.

Whats your plan if you lead and get raised?

Bet big, I'd probably call a raise too as long as its not a ridiculously large one.

Bet turn bet riverrrr

yea i don't think this one gets interesting until we see what he does when we 3/4 pot turn.

Either bet big or let it go.

what do you think of betting turn + ~betting any (unpaired board) river ~3/4-4/5p ? Nine, Queen?

Ok I figured I played this hand kind of unconventional.

My read was that he'd float a lot of straight draws, so once I hit my 2 I felt like I could be good even.

I c/c'd turn (tanked) and c/c'd river vs his bricked AQ.

I agree that betting turn big is best though.

c/c turn is definitely standard and usually best
if you think you free up extra bluff outs on the river then you should probably bet/bet e.g. if you think you get 70% folds on a blank then barrel off since a lot of combos include weak showdown hands which might all fold
if you think he will tip his hand strength by a betting/timing tell on the turn a tricky play is to check/raise a bet you see as a protection bet from T9/J9/98/AT/AJ/QQ and jam the river with this stack depth and then c/c a bet you see as polarized to AQ/AK/KQ/clubs/2pr+.
if you think hes never ever folding anywhere and will bet/call large on the turn you should bet 2/3 pot to save yourself money
if he raises a bet you need him to have a lot of combos of AQ/AK/KQ to continue, but luckily for you those combos are pretty numerous and ppl might bluff them too often, so you can call and c/c a blank/club river

Nice post! damn.. poker is complicated.

Originally Posted by griffey24

Nice post! damn.. poker is complicated.

QFT!

Originally Posted by sauce123

c/c turn is definitely standard and usually best
if you think you free up extra bluff outs on the river then you should probably bet/bet e.g. if you think you get 70% folds on a blank then barrel off since a lot of combos include weak showdown hands which might all fold
if you think he will tip his hand strength by a betting/timing tell on the turn a tricky play is to check/raise a bet you see as a protection bet from T9/J9/98/AT/AJ/QQ and jam the river with this stack depth and then c/c a bet you see as polarized to AQ/AK/KQ/clubs/2pr+.
if you think hes never ever folding anywhere and will bet/call large on the turn you should bet 2/3 pot to save yourself money
if he raises a bet you need him to have a lot of combos of AQ/AK/KQ to continue, but luckily for you those combos are pretty numerous and ppl might bluff them too often, so you can call and c/c a blank/club river

Not getting this, why exactly is c/c better here? There's so many reasons to bet, nut draws, unlikely to get raised, fold equity vs better hands, nut hands in our range, etc.

Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan

Not getting this, why exactly is c/c better here? There's so many reasons to bet, nut draws, unlikely to get raised, fold equity vs better hands, nut hands in our range, etc.

in order

nut draws- i guess u mean we cna play a big pot? how is this a reason to bet ? theres only, what, 3 psb left anyways. i mean im not saying its a reason against betting either

unlikely to get raised- i mean, this is only true against straightforward opponents, but id say its true for most of the ppl reading this forum most of the time.

fold equity vs better hands- this is basically where i think you're totally wrong for every level, no one really folds anything on this board, at least vs me. the number of barrels doesnt seem to matter too much

nut hands in our range- given i think we have little fold equity i dont think this matters, acctually it might be good for us if villain perceives our range to not have nut hands when we check such that he bluffs twice with KQ AQ AK

i guess what im saying is just that no ever folds anythign vs me ever in spots like these, so ive had to adjust by playing my hands more faceup and according to made hand strength

Originally Posted by sauce123

in order

nut draws- i guess u mean we cna play a big pot? how is this a reason to bet ? theres only, what, 3 psb left anyways. i mean im not saying its a reason against betting either

unlikely to get raised- i mean, this is only true against straightforward opponents, but id say its true for most of the ppl reading this forum most of the time.

fold equity vs better hands- this is basically where i think you're totally wrong for every level, no one really folds anything on this board, at least vs me. the number of barrels doesnt seem to matter too much

nut hands in our range- given i think we have little fold equity i dont think this matters, acctually it might be good for us if villain perceives our range to not have nut hands when we check such that he bluffs twice with KQ AQ AK

i guess what im saying is just that no ever folds anythign vs me ever in spots like these, so ive had to adjust by playing my hands more faceup and according to made hand strength

I think most people, despite the fact we're going to barrel the turn and river a lot, will call the flop with a hand like AA-QQ/AJ/KJ/QJ/ whatever else and fold it on the turn or river on many runouts, my guess is on the river. I guess at high stakes there are just way too many obvious reasons to bluff here that people get stationy.

also, by my own admission, the way i play hands is prob a bit different than others just because people always always think im bluffing