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    Default 4-bet pot with QQ vs nit BVB

    This isn't technically a HSNL hand, but it's in Euros so it's kinda close and I've just moved down from 5/10 and would really appreciate some input from successful hsnl'rs. These hands just continually seem to destroy me and I generally get this horrible line of thinking where in my head I'm saying 'logically I should be good here a lot but these players know i don't fold much and they are still betting so they have to have it'.


    Villain is somehow a big winner in the game though he's pretty nitty. 17/13/5% 3-bet 2.8AF and his fold BB to steal is 85%. He should be aware that I've been getting it in preflop a ton today (he's on a bunch of my tables) and getting destroyed so I imagine he doesn't think I'm folding much after I 4-bet so I feel like he's likely shoving AK/AA for value. Btw I think i 4-bet a tad too small, 138ish would be better right?

    I feel like I can't bet/call the flop profitably and if i open shove maybe i get looked up by JJ/10s sometimes but he probably folds those as well. I also feel like if I check it looks so damn strong since I'm betting my air here almost 100% of the time profitably since he's not playing back much. Can I just c/fold this flop? I know there is a serious leak in my thinking because I think a good player would just be thinking 'There are almost zero Kx hands he calls a 4-bet with except KQ and I have the QQ blockers so I have the nuts and should just let him bluff'. Only I really want to find a fold here.

    Boss Media (IPN) No-Limit Hold'em, €5.00 BB (5 handed) - BossMedia Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    MP (€572.13)
    Hero (SB) (€1267.06)
    BB (€500)
    UTG (€500)
    Button (€730.05)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with Q, Q
    3 folds, Hero bets €20, BB raises to €58, Hero raises to €126, BB calls €126

    Flop: (€252) 7, K, 2 (2 players)
    Hero checks, BB bets €126, Hero calls €126

    Turn: (€504) 3 (2 players)
    Hero checks, BB checks

    River: (€504) 7 (2 players)
    Hero checks, BB raises to €248 (All-In), Hero fak me
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    this guy is so nitty i d just bet the flop and give up if any more money went in the pot

    vs a trickier player who might bluffshove this flop with air it d be a different story imo
    when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
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    flattin ur 4bets, makin u tilt
    you should be betting like 68 on this flop with any hand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nutsinho
    you should be betting like 68 on this flop with any hand.
    Can you elaborate why you would do this?
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    I agree with nuts on betting this flop. The board is so dry you can bet super small.

    I just don't like c/c here and turning my hand face up. I'd rather bet here, like I would with my air, and keep my range as wide as possible.
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    The funny thing is that he could actually have a seven. I would just fold river based on the fact that he is nitty. Your hand is completely defined and I don't really think he expects you to fold it here.

    Certainly do not open shove this flop it makes no sense. A tiny bet is good, c/c is not bad but it puts you in this guessing game, which you might or might not want to avoid.
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    Hmm. I definitely hate my c/call and overbet does seem bad. So from what i've gathered betting flop is best, and small as well. I'm just trying to think what I would do if he calls. I imagine we are folding is he shoves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravageur
    Hmm. I definitely hate my c/call and overbet does seem bad. So from what i've gathered betting flop is best, and small as well. I'm just trying to think what I would do if he calls. I imagine we are folding is he shoves.
    Yah the only thing about a small bet like nutsinho suggested is that I think we're forced into bareling our entire range here since he might call flop so much lighter/more often.
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    Definitely bet the flop
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    and on the river he's just not bluffing
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    yea you guys were all pretty spot on here. I checked the river intending to fold and then levelled myself into timebank calling and he had KJs.
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    The SPR with his small stack is so low that leading out on the flop is the only way to play the hand. He can't call on a draw (there aren't any anyway) because there aren't the implied odds. You lead and he calls or raises, let it go and move on with your life
    Last edited by tstrout; 03-10-2010 at 12:09 PM.
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