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  1. #1

    Default 3bet pot conundrum

    Playing aejones, we have both been playing pretty aggressively so far. He hasn't been that out of line postflop, but is folding to 3bets about 48% preflop, 4betting semi thin and very small a lot, and is 3barrel bluffing a lot on good run outs. He has also been raising the flop in 3bet pots vs cbets really thin i.e. on QT2 rainbow board doing it with JTo. I haven't seen him continue much after I call his position raises postflop.

    I have not 3bet his flop raises in this situation yet.

    Full Tilt Poker Game #29309310349: Table Gemstone (heads up) - $10/$20 - No Limit Hold'em - 16:26:19 ET - 2011/03/24
    Seat 1: aejones ($6,603)
    Seat 2: Mirttinur ($4,180)
    aejones posts the small blind of $10
    Mirttinur posts the big blind of $20
    The button is in seat #1
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Mirttinur [Jd Kh]
    aejones raises to $60
    Mirttinur raises to $200
    aejones calls $140
    *** FLOP *** [2s 8s Js]
    Mirttinur bets $200
    aejones has 15 seconds left to act
    aejones raises to $500
    Mirttinur has 15 seconds left to act
    Mirttinur calls $300
    *** TURN *** [2s 8s Js] [Ad]
    Mirttinur checks
    aejones bets $800
    Mirttinur has 15 seconds left to act
    Mirttinur folds
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    I'd just fold to his flop raise, even with your read.


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    Quote Originally Posted by pocketfours View Post
    I'd just fold to his flop raise, even with your read.
    really? can you expand please.
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    Quote Originally Posted by reDZill4 View Post
    really? can you expand please.
    I assume it's because we're either WB/SA - you're OOP against a good aggressive player, and it is going to be easy to make exponentially bigger mistakes than folding here on later, more important streets?
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    Cmon were going to cbet and fold a hand this strong vs player described? I say no.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan View Post
    Cmon were going to cbet and fold a hand this strong vs player described? I say no.
    What's his bluffing tendency? Or rather, whats his tendency to continue on turns/rivers.

    Speaking as a compulsive bluffer, I would say I'm more likely to bluff this particular board than some other Jxx type board.
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    I was using some reasoning that might justify a flop fold, but I don't fold there either when you are towards the top of your range, and he can be value cutting himself given the JT example
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    Quote Originally Posted by griffey24 View Post
    What's his bluffing tendency? Or rather, whats his tendency to continue on turns/rivers.

    Speaking as a compulsive bluffer, I would say I'm more likely to bluff this particular board than some other Jxx type board.
    I've talked about his continuing tendencies in OP, he doesn't seem to continue too much.

    I really do not have much of a guess about whether he is more or less likely to raise the flop here light.
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    Aside from the fact that this turn card is in general a good bluff card. I'd say in this particular spot its even better if villain assumes that we either put him on some Asx hand or a made hand, in which case most of his air should/would continue on this card.

    Still not sure if we should c/c though, given we're crippled to part of his range, and will be in a gross spot facing a river bet on any card.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan View Post
    Cmon were going to cbet and fold a hand this strong vs player described? I say no.
    I think he is very likely going to continue with his bluffs on this particular board. Are you going to call him down on blanks with your read that he likes to give up? If that's your plan then fine, I like your line.


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    i would call down prob
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    his range is comprised of small flushes and weak semibluffs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nutsinho View Post
    his range is comprised of small flushes and weak semibluffs.
    You really think he doesn't play many other value hands the same way?
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    he must have sets in there too.

    man i started creating a range in stove, but hu is so sick it would take me like 15min to do it right and even then my assumptions can be terrible. My guess is we're not doing too hot vs it, not sure I like calling down at all.
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    i dunno its not a personal read its just how I generally perceive (good) people to play the spot in deep hu
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