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    Default 3 bet pot with AK - Can haz line check?

    Villain is basically unknown over 8 hands. He's yet to play a hand. How's my line here?

    Preflop - Ez 3 bet for value here vs almost all 100NL villains.

    Flop: Okay so I'll give him a fairly tightish calling range just now of maybe [88-JJ, AJ+ KQ.] at a fair gestimate. I only fold out worse by c betting so I'd much rather just check back and maybe call a turn bet since I lilkely have more equity vs that than I do vs his flop calling range. The hand I beat have very few outs vs me and I'd really like a crad that hits us both when he is dominated to fall.

    Turn: Now i think I can fold out a bunch of the underpairs so elect to do this, planning to check back river if called unimproved.

    River: He flats the turn, I think AQ KQ are pretty likely, I doubt he ever has a J or better. I don't see any worse hands here that I canextract again from except for KQ, which is less ina random tightish player's preflop continuing range than AQ is. i wont get any value from TT and worse if they did decdie to call this turn so I elect to check. I could b/f real small for value I guess.

    $0.50/$1 No Limit Holdem
    5 Players
    Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

    Stacks:
    UTG d3fault ($188.80)
    CO Neil Ross ($100)
    BTN Hero ($199)
    SB Yayundray ($104.85)
    BB juracane ($88.25)

    Pre-Flop: ($1.50, 5 players) Hero is BTN
    1 fold, Neil Ross raises to $4, Hero raises to $11.50, 2 folds, Neil Ross calls $7.50

    Flop: ($24.50, 2 players)
    Neil Ross checks, Hero checks

    Turn: ($24.50, 2 players)
    Neil Ross checks, Hero bets $15, Neil Ross calls $15

    River: ($54.50, 2 players)
    Neil Ross checks, Hero checks
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    Im 3betting less IP and really cant see why we want to check the river.
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    since we'd bluff this card a whole lot i can't see not betting for value
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    Quote Originally Posted by XTR1000 View Post
    Im 3betting less IP and really cant see why we want to check the river.
    Smaller? I feel like my standard would be to go from $4->$12 even IP and maybe $14-$16 OOP.

    Yah I don't get the river check. Bet here all day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by griffey24 View Post
    Smaller? I feel like my standard would be to go from $4->$12 even IP and maybe $14-$16 OOP.

    Yah I don't get the river check. Bet here all day.
    I havent done the math yet, but it seems 3BB-8BB / 4BB-9BB in position provokes more preflop calls whilst people still refuse to play back on flops and fold an insane amount to cbets. Maybe just a sample issue, but so far the ipoker reg-crowd calls all sorts of broadways and any pp just to c/f just about every flop.
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    I don't disagree that it induces more calls. I'm not sure its always necessarily better to invite more calls though. Depends how good villain is I suppose.

    If this was a fish/whale, I'd probably do 3bb->7/8bb with a very wide range (AT+ and stuff even) just to isolate and have position.
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    To take value from KQ QT or even TT 99 88 (he might have call turn with pair + Gutshot) I would bet like 1/2 of the pot on the river.

    I might also bet full pot on river depending on player and my image, if i think he might call with AT KQ,...

    Only hand that beat us is AQ imo. and its very very small part of his range.
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    Bet for value against an unknown.
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    Your lack of betting the river for value offends me

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