2 hands 200nl

hand 1 - Opp is a 35/14 fairly poor player. 100 hand sample, no history. hasnt really stood out too much at this table.

Obv seems to have a donk factor about him. Thoughts on both our lines?

$1/$2 No Limit Holdem
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($200.00)
Hero (UTG+1) ($224.00)
CO ($105.30)
BTN ($200.00)
SB ($198.20)
BB ($308.70)

Pre-flop: ($3, 6 players) Hero is UTG+1
1 fold, Hero raises to $7, 2 folds, SB calls $6, 1 fold

Flop: ($16, 2 players)
SB bets $8, Hero raises to $20, SB calls $12

Turn: ($56, 2 players)
SB bets $42, Hero calls $42

River: ($140, 2 players)
SB bets $129.20, $129.20 to Hero ($155)?


hand 2 - opp seems to be a reg tho i dont have much history. 600 hands at 24/19. Ive 3bet him some this session, barrelled a 3bet pot on turn and took it down. then this hand.

What do you make of my bluff and sizing, im thinking its way too small. Obv my range is super polarised but we dont have to worry much about balance right? of course I usually do have a big hand if I raise river. Too many whiffed draws in my range on river perhaps, but then whats a good bet sizing since he aint gonna call a shove with TP or 2ndP.

$1/$2 No Limit Holdem
5 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($235.70)
CO ($200.00)
Hero (BTN) ($216.25)
SB ($270.65)
BB ($112.30)

Pre-flop: ($3, 5 players) Hero is BTN
1 fold, CO raises to $6, Hero calls $6, 2 folds

Flop: ($15, 2 players)
CO bets $11, Hero calls $11

Turn: ($37, 2 players)
CO checks, Hero checks

River: ($37, 2 players)
CO bets $30, Hero raises to $78

I mostly plan to watch this thread and learn.

Hand 1: wtf?? I'm really tempted to call here.

Hand 2: I don't like the bluff here 'cuz the range we're repping is pretty thin.

Take all this with a BIG grain of salt.

Hand1: I really don't think raising his donk is the best play. The board is super super dry and there is just not a whole lot he can have, I think the donk will be air really often and he will fold to your raise basically 90% of the time.

Not sure why you just called this turn, it didn't do anything to improve his "range". I say "range" because who can actually put a 35/14 on a donking range here....

Given you raised flop, I see no reason to not raise turn. His play makes about zero sense and if you were raising flop for value you clearly should be raising turn for value as well.

IMO there's likely no one that can tell you what the correct river play is since it's based a lot on why you were raising flop and calling turn, which I'm not sure you know the answer to either. I'd just get confused and fold, though I woulda flat flop and flat turn.

Hand 2: I think it's not extremely conceivable you can hold 67 here as I think you would be expected to bet the turn with that hand when checked to. Either way, I tend to find that even the "better" regs at 1/2 won't give me credit for obv straights in my range when they do hit. I think it's a bad bluff even though villain has Kx and very weak Ax in his range sometimes. Just fold to his river bet IMO, or stab turn to keep your river options open and your value range wider.

Hand 1: Imo a donk will go all the way with 9x or an overpair here. I like raising flop and turn.

Hand 2: Seems like an easy river fold. If you don't want to fold, a call seems better than a raise to me, villains line and betsizing says air or hand he won't fold imo.

if the guy is tighter/better in 1 do we consider folding turn?

Hand 1: I think I either call flop and turn, and evaluate this river, likely calling against this particular villain. Or, I raise flop as you did, and also raise turn and get it in. I don't mind either line tbh, and it's largely dependent on his donking range (which we don't know). If he donks his weakish overpairs, I like the raise line as this villain won't be folding much of anything.

Hand 2: Fine up till river, then just fold. You are repping a very small range on the river (88, 67), and as marshall said it's reasonable to believe you would bet the Ace turn with your 67. Even though his range is likely relatively weak (Kx) I don't expect him to fold any hand other than his air, just because you have a credible hand so rarely.

in hand 1 if we're raising flop for value, then why aren't we raising turn for value?
as far as spenda's question if he's a 17/15 then he would probably only have a set here on the turn and is protecting vs. turn straight draw

not sure if we could fold it vs. me, probably not because I'm probably full of shit

hand 2 I SNAPCALL with Kx because I suck and I think he sucks as much as I do

Ok hand 1, I don't figure donk for a set so he either has a pair or random. I make a smallish raise to build the pot. He bets large on turn which leaves just under pot sized bet for river. I call to help him to keep over valuing 9x or if he is doing some random stuff. I'd wonder if he really will call another raise with 9x here too.

So he does shove river, I found river to be a nonscare card really and one he will fire all his bluffs but may not shove 9x. But he obv cud shove it sometimes.

I called and he had JTcc.

On hand 2 I think it's fairly bad to call river since I think it's obv it's a losing call. So either fold or raise. It wud prob suit us more if there was no fd since we cud then have set in our range and opp won't think we are making a move with our whiffed draws.

I think I shud of raised alot more here as he called with KQo. His call is fine but he did time down, u gotta make it bigger imo here.

Are you checking sets behind on the turn in hand 1? I'd fire turn with sets not only because I have the ldonuts, but because this is a turn I likely fire all of my floats on.

U mean to say hand 2? if there's no draw to protect against we cud check back a set, I think it's good sometimes I he will a river raise. If he has air we win more then toovwhen he bets river.

yeah hand 2.. Meh... I'm torn on the turn spot tbh. I realize that his range for checking the turn means his hand is generally pretty marginal. I'd expect him to barrel his air often, and also bet his nut hands, so his turn checking range is a lot of TT+, Kx, etc type hands. I guess its just depending on his turn check/calling range compared with his river betting range. Like if he is c/c this turn with JJ/QQ, etc because he expects you to be floaty then you should likely bet turn with sets to "protect" your floats, and make it less profitable for him to c/c your turn bet here light.

If he is likely to fire river often with his air when the turn goes check/check, then it doesn't seem like a bad idea to check back sets which would strengthen your turn checking range, and therefore make it less profitable for him to bluff you on the river.

But it just seems like if this is going to be a turn you are betting with all of your floats, then you need some balance with some value bets. Your sets are your strongest hands here, and also contain no blockers for the hands you expect to get calls from. If you had a hand like AJ, you now have a blocker for his KJ hands that a bet would be getting value from, making it less likely he calls with worse (not much, but you see the point). So from a theory perspective, I would think if you are vbetting turn ever, it would be with your sets, and save the turn checking back merging range for the Ax floats.

Meh.. maybe I'm off base as it's 5am here.

I think we can also think of our perceived range compared to actual range. To him we can play unbalanced as there isno true history but he will expect a balanced turn range for us, which is why he called my small raise. If he calls a larger raise here then this line with a set is much more profitable vs Kx, Jj-QQ which we can't get 2 more streets from by just betting turn and river.