2/4 - couple river spots

Hand 1
-villain is 24/20/3.2, with a went to showdown of 23 but a won at SD of only 43 over a reasonably large sample
-his cbet is 68% and double/triple are each around 50%
-is river easy call or should i be thinking about jamming?
-not much dynamic this session, I've 3bet him and cold 4b him and he's folded

$2/$4 No Limit Holdem
4 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

Stacks:
CO ($575.40) 144bb
griffey24 (BTN) ($433.80) 108bb
SB ($154.75) 39bb
BB ($434) 109bb

Pre-Flop: ($6, 4 players) griffey24 is BTN
CO raises to $12, griffey24 calls $12, 2 folds

Flop: ($30, 2 players)
CO bets $25, griffey24 calls $25

Turn: ($80, 2 players)
CO bets $60, griffey24 calls $60

River: ($200, 2 players)
CO bets $150, griffey24 ??

Hand 2
-only 200 hands on villain and i haven't played many with him but he's seemingly an aggro maniac type
-running 50/35/3.7 with a 3b of 20.9 and btn 3b of 22%
-Cbet of 76% and turn barrel of 57% (though I know it's a small sample)
-this is a kind of standardish spot, but just wondering if people default bet here, bet small to induce vs this type? c/c? c/f?

$2/$4 No Limit Holdem
5 Players
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Stacks:
UTG ($473.90) 118bb
griffey24 (CO) ($640.60) 160bb
BTN ($639.35) 160bb
SB ($400) 100bb
BB ($786) 197bb

Pre-Flop: ($6, 5 players) griffey24 is CO
1 fold, griffey24 raises to $10, BTN raises to $39, 2 folds, griffey24 calls $29

Flop: ($84, 2 players)
griffey24 checks, BTN bets $69, griffey24 calls $69

Turn: ($222, 2 players)
griffey24 checks, BTN checks

River: ($222, 2 players)
griffey24 ?

1. I'd jam but not happily
2. I'd 4bet pre but check river

1. relatively eaasy call imo
2. Definitely 4bet pre

Ok, but hand 2.. now that I didn't 4b pre. Now what?

P4's you're checking to c/c a regular sized bet?

Is he bad? Can he value bet? Does he always use this sizing pre? etc.

Only 200 hands on villain so no real reads on any of those questions.

1- I tank shove relatively confidently, you beat all sets except QQ, and 3x isn't a big part of both your ranges.

2- Not a fan of 4betting pre, now I just lead like half pot.

And in 2, I much prefer a 1/2 pot lead or a c/f, to a c/c.

Griffey wants to bet to induce, but I suspect you want to b/f?

Originally Posted by pocketfours

Griffey wants to bet to induce, but I suspect you want to b/f?

yeah most likely. im betting for value though, but it's also the worst hand im doing it with.

With those stats there has to be at least some likelihood that he's thinking what you are oop floating the flop with when he bets 69 into 84 on this dry board. I've got a strong feeling that your half pot river lead in this exact spot is never a bluff.

It's always tough playing out of position, but i would probably check call with the tens

Originally Posted by pocketfours

2. I'd 4bet pre but check river

Originally Posted by Deanglow

2. Definitely 4bet pre

Can you guys please explain your reasoning for this? I'm trying to understand it. Doesn't 4bing here tighten his range and makes it easier for him to play perfectly against us? I am assuming we aren't gonna jam over a 5b with TT for 160bb? Wouldn't it be better to call and play postflop against his wide range even if we are out of position?

I'd stack off pre vs this guy.

Ahh now it makes sense. I'm just a pussy.

50/35 3b of 20%, doesn't mean he'll 5bet/stackoff with trash. It's only 200 hands. I'm not sure we wanna stack off pre with TT for 160BB!

I'm not happy about it but TT plays really bad oop vs a lagtard. vpip 50% after 200 hands tells me what I want to know here.