100nl tpgk

just sat at table, no info on him.

Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 3: Blaze1185 ( $175.05 )
Seat 6: warturtle21 ( $131.25 )
Seat 4: Wahoo2006 ( $112.20 )
Seat 2: carrotsnake ( $141.15 )
Seat 5: bigbuck61 ( $99 )
Seat 1: Mumbles1273 ( $100 )
Wahoo2006 posts small blind [$0.50].
bigbuck61 posts big blind [$1].
Mumbles1273 posts big blind [$1].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Wahoo2006 [ Qs Kc ]
warturtle21 calls [$1].
Mumbles1273 checks.
carrotsnake folds.
Blaze1185 folds.
Wahoo2006 raises [$4.50].
bigbuck61 folds.
warturtle21 folds.
Mumbles1273 calls [$4].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 2c, 2h, Kd ]
Wahoo2006 bets [$7].
Mumbles1273 raises [$14].
Wahoo2006 calls [$7].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 7d ]
Wahoo2006 checks.
Mumbles1273 bets [$38].
Wahoo2006 is all-In [$93.20]
Mumbles1273 is all-In [$43]
** Dealing River ** [ 3h ]

FWIW, my standard line here is to lead the turn and fold to a raise. It's part of my new "for the love of god can I please stop getting stacked with TPTK" campaign. Doesn't mean it's optimal though.

I don't like this at all... with a pretty good, but not spectacular hand like KQ you don't want the pot to be so bloated... I show a little weakness and check/call turn and river, hoping that villain will keep it small... There is a considerable chance you're killed here. Another option is to fire out a block bet and fold to aggression, as rocky states. The truth is, this hand can't take much more heat.

Wierd hand. I probably play it the same against bad players we don't have good reads on. If he somehow had a two I doubt he would play it that hard. It's possible he slowplayed AA or something or limp called with AK but I'd take that chance. Hard to think of a hand villain could have logically that we don't beat.

Originally Posted by aislephive

Hard to think of a hand villain could have logically that we don't beat.

Good point, didn't notice the paired flop.

I almost guarantee villain has AK here.

did anyone notice that the villian in this hand posted his blind out of position? i think this alters his range and should make us play more passively.

Originally Posted by andr3w321

I almost guarantee villain has AK here.

Put your money where your mouth is?

I'll take $100 that says he doesn't have AK.

The OOP newbie blind is a big part of the picture here. I think there is a pretty good chance our Hero ran into a deuce.

Personally Im not raising KQo in the SB. Its an easily dominated hand and we are going to be OOP on every single street and we are building a pot.

As played I agree with Rocky, its my standard line as well. If I am calling a raise with a hand like this I will typically make a bet on the turn and fold to a raise, if its a stronger hand that I want to felt Ill go for a c/r AI. Is this very readable? Yes, but at my stakes mixing things up isnt as important as it would be at the higher stakes and the only players who would notice enough to take advantage of it are players I dont want to get too involved with in pots without strong holdings.

Originally Posted by Fnord

Originally Posted by andr3w321

I almost guarantee villain has AK here.

Put your money where your mouth is?

I'll take $100 that says he doesn't have AK.

The OOP newbie blind is a big part of the picture here. I think there is a pretty good chance our Hero ran into a deuce.

I'll wager like $25 that he doesn't have a 2. I doubt he would play it that hard, can we all agree that its very unlikely hero has the villain beat however?

Originally Posted by andr3w321

I almost guarantee villain has AK here.

Originally Posted by andr3w321

I'll wager like $25 that he doesn't have a 2. I doubt he would play it that hard, can we all agree that its very unlikely hero has the villain beat however?

You just said you're certain the guy has AK here, but backed down when the real money hit the table. Silly comment? Misread the hand?

Unlike some of the other folks here, I think 2x is a pretty big part of our opponent's range, but I don't think it's > 50%. I also think there is a pretty good chance hero does have the best hand here, but I'm not certain enough I would put my stack behind it.

Originally Posted by Rockymv

FWIW, my standard line here is to lead the turn and fold to a raise.

EDITed to add: With a read you can c/f turn sometimes. Theres no draws out there for him to get silly with on the flop, so you have to think "What would he minraise the flop with?" T

This is a two a lot of the time probably, considering he called out of the BB.

Any one for KT-KQ?

Originally Posted by cardsman1992

Any one for KT-KQ?

Kx is likely, but not a huge part of his range.

Originally Posted by Renton

With a read you can fold flop sometimes. Theres no draws out there for him to get silly with on the flop, so you have to think "What would he minraise the flop with?"

This is a two a lot of the time probably, considering he called out of the BB.

Agreed, and the fact that he's an unknown who looks donkish is usually enough of a read to dump this on the flop. Pot odds don't mean shit if you're going to fold the turn unless you hit a two-outer. IME when I'm against an unknown they hardly ever check the turn after making the min-raise on the flop. They always keep firing away for the rest of their stack, whether they have the hand or not.

I don't mean to get in any heated argument or anything, but what I meant by "I ALMOST guarantee he has AK here" is that I believe that to be his most likely holding. I will almost guarantee hero lost this hand since the only thing he is beating is KT-KJ which seems very unlikely. Obviously villain's hand is represented by a range of hands, of which 2x is very possible, but the turn bet to me screams "I have AK and know you have a K and don't want you sucking out a higher two pair on me on the river" I also think AA and KK are possible but unlikely.

I could definitely be wrong but this is just my reasoning. Also, it is much more profitable to be making a bet that someone DOESN'T have a particular hand than it is to say that they have one particular exact hand.