100nl- 2 similair hands against bad reg

CO plays 22/11/1, 34% cbet, have a note that he iso'ed 4x pre w/TT, no cbet on 877r J 2, ckd oop.

BB is fish.


Cereus Network - $1 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

CO: $100.00
BTN: $170.78
Hero (SB): $100.00
BB: $71.30
UTG: $66.24

Hero posts SB $0.50, BB posts BB $1.00

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero has 9 9

fold, CO raises to $3.50, fold, Hero calls $3.00, BB calls $2.50

Flop: ($10.50, 3 players) 7 2 8
Hero bets $7.25, fold, CO raises to $18.00, Hero calls $10.75

I lead here coz it's a wetish board, I don't expect CO to cbet it very much, and I wanna be in the lead so I can value bet the fish. Standard?

His raise here didn't make any sense to me, given my overall perception of him as a pretty passive player, I don't think he's raising AA/KK type hand here, it's mostly draws/air imo. Maybe it's better to 3b small here to let him jam over his draws? At the same time I wanna give him the chance to barrel off with air on the turn so I elect to flat...


Turn: ($46.50, 2 players) 9
Hero checks, CO checks

River: ($46.50, 2 players) 4
Hero bets $23.25,

After thinking about it, maybe a c/r is better on the river coz his range is polarized and it's mostly air imo... ?

5mins later, very similiar spot, I flat pre coz his F3B is 81%, and more importantly I wanna keep the fish BB in the pot.

Cereus Network - $1 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

MP: $100.00
CO: $169.28
BTN: $100.00
Hero (SB): $127.50
BB: $69.45
UTG: $63.74

Hero posts SB $0.50, BB posts BB $1.00

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero has Q Q

fold, MP raises to $3.50, fold, fold, Hero calls $3.00, fold

Flop: ($8.00, 2 players) 5 6 9
Hero bets $5.00, MP raises to $16.00, Hero raises to $27.00, MP raises to $96.50, Hero calls $69.50

After the way previous hand played out I elect to lead here coz I think I can induce spazz with his random overs, whereas if I don't lead he'll jsut ckbk super often.

This time when he raises, I want to give him the chance to do sth stupid again, I didn't wanna flat coz I don't want the hand to play out the way the previous one did, where it was pretty obv that my range was nutted and his range was air...

I think the best way to induce spew here is to CiB... maybe a big 3b would be bigger to let him jam his draws/overs without overbetting too much?

"given my overall perception of him as a pretty passive player, I don't think he's raising AA/KK type hand here, it's mostly draws/air imo."

In regards to hand 1 I'd be surprised if someone passive enough that you don't expect them to raise AA or KK on that board, would raise draws and air with a high enough frequency here. Passive people are in general far more likely to flat draws than they are to flat overpairs on a wet board, I think you should fold to the flop raise - as played, don't got for a C/R on the river, I don't think he bets enough...and even if he does, what's he calling a C/R with? an OP that he checked the turn with? I think he will call a bet with his one pair hands more often than he will bet his one pair hands and his air, considering how the hand played out and his passive tendencies.

oh dear. i dont even know where to start.

i'd recommend moving down.

Originally Posted by nutsinho

oh dear. i dont even know where to start.

i'd recommend moving down.

awesome feedback, ty guys.

from now on i won't waste ur time by posting my dumb hands in ur forums.

ktnxbai

ok i know where to start. h1 is a pristine river cr spot.

bet turn hand 1
3bet pf hand 2

so your saying that in hand two you want to play a vulnerable hand multiway when OOP, and you think that a passive player makes that flop shove with air? ..i may not be playing these stakes but i find it hard to believe that over cards are that spewy. Your best hope is JJ and most of the time your either way behind a set or straight or 50/50 vs a big draw.. that hand makes me feel a little sick on your behalf..

Originally Posted by scott_owen

so your saying that in hand two you want to play a vulnerable hand multiway when OOP, and you think that a passive player makes that flop shove with air?

to which/whose comment is this directed?

Originally Posted by scott_owen

so your saying that in hand two you want to play a vulnerable hand multiway when OOP, and you think that a passive player makes that flop shove with air? ..i may not be playing these stakes but i find it hard to believe that over cards are that spewy. Your best hope is JJ and most of the time your either way behind a set or straight or 50/50 vs a big draw.. that hand makes me feel a little sick on your behalf..

Originally Posted by rpm

to which/whose comment is this directed?

OP???

Originally Posted by rpm

to which/whose comment is this directed?

yes OP.

below from OP

raise here didn't make any sense to me, given my overall perception of him as a pretty passive player

and

I flat pre coz his F3B is 81%, and more importantly I wanna keep the fish BB in the pot.

nothing wrong with keeping the fish in, just that i'd be alot happier about it if he was flatting from the button with the fish in the blinds. Doing this from the SB just leads to all sorts of problems with QQ.

also, given the F3B is 81 i would assume that this guy doesnt over do things without a solid hand, so i can't see him having any less that KK+ based on the flop action, seems like he'd have flatted most big draws and folded overs after hero 3 bets. In saying that, hero min 3bets.. which is just begging to give draws good odds.. he's asking for an $11 call into a $56 pot.. villain needs a stella 16% equity, all flush draws are in love with this raise. Seems like OP has thought about the hand in detail and yet failed to think about his villains range at all.

stove vs villains shove range..

if anyone thinks there's more drawing hands that can do this by all means correct me.

45,540 games 0.001 secs 45,540,000 games/sec

Board: 5d 6c 9c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 23.376% 21.73% 01.65% 9894 751.50 { QcQd }
Hand 1: 76.624% 74.97% 01.65% 34143 751.50 { JJ+, 99, 66-55, AcKc, AcJc, 87s, 87o }

69.50/(69.5+152.5) = 0.31

at this rate we barely have equity to call the flop shove anyway. If you include a whole bunch of strong draws it doesnt get much better, its marginal at the absolute best. You cant tell me the only hand that shoves here is AcKc. the board is wet and all big hands what to make the draws pay.