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[50NL] QQ...Probable fold?

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    Default [50NL] QQ...Probable fold?

    UTG is 63/37 over 48 hands.

    CO is 22/19/11 over 330 hands. FT4B, 100%, 3/3.

    PokerStars - $0.50 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
    Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

    BTN: $64.88
    Hero (SB): $50.00
    BB: $64.22
    UTG: $45.00
    MP: $76.69
    CO: $80.04

    Hero posts SB $0.25, BB posts BB $0.50

    Pre Flop: (pot: $0.75) Hero has Q Q

    UTG raises to $1.00, fold, CO raises to $4.00, fold, Hero raises to $10.00, fold, UTG calls $9.00, CO raises to $22.00, Hero ???

    This is a spot where I should be folding right?
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  2. #2
    Yeah this is a spot we want to fold in.
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    I'm pretty tempted to call here with the whale probably coming along for the ride. Not sure I want to 4bet fold this hand anyway vs these guys.


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    Yeah I'm not liking the 4b. I feel like we're not getting called by CO, we're either seeing fold or raise, neither of which we want to see. I just call pre.

    As played yeah just fold now.

    Make more notes on UTG, this guy is very very bad and can be exploited a lot.
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    I think a whale utg opening range is fairly likely to cold call your 4-bet so I don't mind it. It also has the benefit of punishing the CO reg for over-isoing the whale (if he is). I've seen people 4bet bluff a shitload in your spot for this reason and it has made me tempted to stack off quite light vs those 4-bets.

    As for 4-bet folding, I'd get this in, you have QQ and 20% of your stack in. The donk will sweeten the pot quite nicely with his stackoff range and you'll often be in great shape 3 way vs the reg's AK and whale's ace whatever. I also think the reg could probably play JJ in this way. I wouldn't be surprised if this is a shove even if reg can only have QQ+ AK, though (which he certainly can have all of, no way in hell he folds AK).
    Last edited by Renton; 05-02-2014 at 03:04 PM.
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    Knowing this muppet UTG has a coldcalling range vs a 4b changes things a lot, but I don't know that when I'm choosing whether to call or raise the 3b. Without any info on UTG, I'm expecting him to fold out the vast majority of his range, and then I expect CO to raise what we lose to and fold what we beat. This is why I prefer to call. Next time I 4bet for sure.

    I wouldn't be surprised if this is a shove even if reg can only have QQ+ AK, though (which he certainly can have all of, no way in hell he folds AK).
    Well yeah he definitely has QQ+ AK at least, so if it's close vs this range after we consider the dead money going in, then yeah I can stack it because he won't need stuff we crush all that often to tip the balance. I didn't expect it to be close.
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    I feel like I lean towards flatting to keep whale in preflop. Sure he might just cold call our iso, but if he doesn't that really sucks.

    I'd donk most flops.

    As played, meh, get it in. Not fist pumping but you gotta go with it now imo.
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  8. #8
    We should fold this spot, but with QQ I never fold, because AA,KK and QQ are cards where I always call or go all-in. I don't know this is really hard decision. Maybe will be better if you only made a call when CO raises, because he raises 4xUTGraise, and with that kind of raise it's not good move to re-raise.
    I don't know but you paid $10, and maybe you can pay another $16 and see the flop. If I was on your place I will do that.

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