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  1. #1

    Default $1/2 5max - ATo 4bet pot 140bb deep

    After 300 hands, villain is 26/23/3.25 with a 3bet% of 9% and a squeeze of 15%.
    Fold to 3bet of 58% and fold to flop c-bet of 38%.

    He has shown down 87o in a 3bet pot recently.

    My image should be fairly solid. My stats are 22/18 6% 3bet and 8% 4bet.

    Spew?
    Thoughts on bet sizing appreciated.

    $1/$2 No Limit Holdem
    5 Players
    Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

    Stacks:
    Hero ($375.40)
    CO ($272.95)
    BTN ($301.05)
    SB ($281)
    BB ($206.35)

    Pre-Flop: ($3, 5 players) Hero is UTG
    Hero raises to $7, CO calls $7, 1 fold, SB raises to $28, 1 fold, Hero raises to $60, CO folds, SB calls $32

    Flop: ($129, 2 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets $54, SB calls $54

    Turn: ($237, 2 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets $261.40 ($166 for him to call)
    Last edited by JL; 03-03-2010 at 08:39 PM.
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    Pre seems really terrible. Postflop is fine, sizing is fine. I have no respect for players who rep aces pre and then give up postflop.

    Just know that you are loosing a lot of money here.
  3. #3
    I don't see what is so necessarily terrible about preflop. We're deep, have blockers and he squeezes a ton. I know we're UTG but you don't get a 15% squeeze % by only squeezing light in prime spots so I bet he still has a bunch of bluffs.

    Postflop I play the flop the same probably and I hate the idea of giving up after going that far but I dunno what he folds on the turn after putting this much dollars in the middle?
  4. #4
    ive been doing this wayyy to much lately.... but still id way rather do it with like AXs
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    Default ATo UTG

    I prefer a fold preflop, ATo will will only flop decent less than 33% of the time and most likely you'll be OOP for the entire hand. What do you do on a K-10-2 flop? You have no draw an only middle pair. Unless you flop two pair, trips, or a miracle straight, you will always be guessing as to whether you are ahead or behind. Even if you flop an Ace (only 16-17% chance), your kicker is suspect. This is a hard hand to play in any case. Would you call a raise with it pre-flop? I hope not. I would steal blinds with it from late position, but that's about it.
  6. #6
    Quote Originally Posted by pocketfours View Post
    Pre seems really terrible.
    How are you adjusting to light 3bettors/squeezers?
    Is it the fact that I have ATo that makes this terrible?

    4bet bluffing works great at my site/stakes because no one is ever 5bet bluff shoving (I've seen it twice in the last 3 months or so.
  7. #7
    Is it the fact that I have ATo that makes this terrible?
    yes

    4bet bluffing works great at my site/stakes because no one is ever 5bet bluff shoving (I've seen it twice in the last 3 months or so.
    if thats because they are flatting and then owning you on the flop like right here then its not so good...
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    lol no they are never 5bet bluffing and always either folding or jamming preflop.
    This hand is a rare occurrence.
  9. #9
    Given that you're UTG, I would say a reasonable number of people might squeeze here with a hand like JJ/QQ and then decide to peel a flop OOP to see no A/K before they decide to commit.

    I wouldn't be surprised to see JJ/QQ calling you here.
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  10. #10
    Preflop is fine, standard, normal vs this guy. Obv having ATo is better than AXo because of the blockers, also more chances to make TP if you get called.

    I prob wouldn't shove turn though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by griffey24 View Post
    I wouldn't be surprised to see JJ/QQ calling you here.
    I wouldn't be surprised to see AK calling.
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    Really? I'd be quite surprised to see that he didn't shove AK/QQ preflop.
  13. #13
    What are your UTG stats? How does he perceive your EP range?

    Would you be 4betting and getting it in here with JJ or calling IP?

    Assuming that he thinks you have a straightforward 4bet/get it in range from UTG here, he probably figures his QQ isn't even in that hot of shape vs your stackoff range. Flipping vs AK and dead to KK/AA, so I don't think it would be too bad to peel and see a non A/K flop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by griffey24 View Post
    What are your UTG stats? How does he perceive your EP range?

    Would you be 4betting and getting it in here with JJ or calling IP?

    Assuming that he thinks you have a straightforward 4bet/get it in range from UTG here, he probably figures his QQ isn't even in that hot of shape vs your stackoff range. Flipping vs AK and dead to KK/AA, so I don't think it would be too bad to peel and see a non A/K flop.
    I think more often than not this is going to be the case. Esp since you guys are a bit deep. What do his showdown stats look like?

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