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I mean if M2M says he has flushes in this spot I tend to believe him, I'm not sure that checking too many Kxcc hands is optimal on this board but I suppose he'd have to if he wants to bluff this...

Then what hands should we c/c there and how are we ever calling down with that range?

I think I would always bet K4cc on this flop but in spots like I mentioned, let's say AQcc on 843cc, c/c will be ok because otherwise when we check we are always either A. giving up on the pot or B....

Renton, are you talking about the AT4cc type textures or any flush draw on any board as PFR?

I've put some nut flush draws and KQs in c/c range on boards where people aren't folding any real hand...

My goal as a poker player is to one day give better analysis than Renton on one hand.

I'm not optimistic.

Is it too level 1 of me to say that I think you show up with exactly this type of hand a lot?

How often are you checking Kcxc on the flop?

Given how capped his range is it seems like...