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    First, you got dealt a really awful hand, sorry. ...

    First, you got dealt a really awful hand, sorry. But it would be better to set XXX /5:h: 3:s: 2:d: /9:h: 7:d:

    The loose plan is to make 9s-up (or 7s-up) in back and 5s-up (or 3s-up) in the mid...
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    Ditto. I think Q / A 4 / 7 8 is demonstrably...

    Ditto. I think Q / A 4 / 7 8 is demonstrably better. It much more easily allows a back-door to 2-pair in the mid if an Ace doesn't come and the back makes only 2-pair (i.e. you sneak into the land...
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    I would have taken the same line, although I see...

    I would have taken the same line, although I see that a slightly different aggro line gets there, and there is some support for the argument that it is a line worth taking on this board.

    If you...
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    With two 2s dead, I agree with your line.

    With two 2s dead, I agree with your line.
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    I'd actually take your line since we're in...

    I'd actually take your line since we're in position and all 8 Ks and Qs are live.
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    I was talking about this hand: Yeah, I said...

    I was talking about this hand:


    Yeah, I said 4:s: low 9:h: mid, but I failed to notice that the Q was the Q:s:. D'oh! For some reason I didn't notice that the Q filled the flush too, so my...
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    The decision is between the play you made and...

    The decision is between the play you made and playing the A in the mid and the 9 in back (to make 1 pair). I think your play is by far best because not only have you got the top and mid parts of an...
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    I think your play is okay, but since the draw...

    I think your play is okay, but since the draw contained a 9 and a spade, the decision is pretty thin. After playing the trips in the mid and the Q on top on the 2nd draw, you have 2 live Qs, 3 live...
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    Situation dependent, although almost always if 1...

    Situation dependent, although almost always if 1 or more of the 3-flush cards is an FL card, I prefer breaking the 3-flush. Still, the shape of the hand as a whole matters. I know we talked in a...
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    This is similar to the previous hand. I would...

    This is similar to the previous hand. I would have set A:h: / 3:d: / T:d: 9:h: 8:h:. 1st draw play A:c: top and 5:s: mid. 2nd draw play 9:s: low and 4:c: mid (lamenting playing the 5 instead of...
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    None of the above. Set Q:h: / 5:c: 2:h: /J:h:...

    None of the above. Set Q:h: / 5:c: 2:h: /J:h: 8:c:. 1st draw play 8:d: low and Q:s: on top. 2nd draw play 5:d: and 2:s: mid. 3rd draw play 9:h: 9:c: low to make your hand and get to FL. Last draw...
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    I like breaking the 4-flush to set a pair in the...

    I like breaking the 4-flush to set a pair in the mid much more when there are no (or at most 1) FL cards involved. With a hand like T:d: 7:d: 7:s: 6:d: 3:d:, I like X / 7:d: 7:s: / T:d: 6:d: 3:d:. ...
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    The line you took--Q:s:/A:s:/A:h:K:h:T:h:--is...

    The line you took--Q:s:/A:s:/A:h:K:h:T:h:--is perfectly reasonable, but I think a strong case can be made for K:h:Q:s:/A:s:A:h:/T:h:. You give up the very unlikely chance for a royal in back and the...
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    My idea on the first draw is to maximize the...

    My idea on the first draw is to maximize the chances of making FL, and I still think that my line does that better than playing AA low. Furthermore, with 63 off in the mid you are very seldom going...
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    Nice hand! 45-pointers are super-rare,...

    Nice hand! 45-pointers are super-rare, especially when not in FL.

    I wouldn't have done nearly as well with that hand because I would have set the AA in the mid on the first draw. I think that's...
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    Fuck, yes!

    Fuck, yes!
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    Sadly, there's not a lot to be made with this...

    Sadly, there's not a lot to be made with this hand, but you could have gotten a bit more from it.

    I'd set Q:c: / A:d: 5:h:/ J:c: 7:h: instead. As the hand plays out, you could make...
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    Set qq/K4/8 instead. When 843 comes on 1st draw,...

    Set qq/K4/8 instead. When 843 comes on 1st draw, play 8 low, 4 mid. When QJ5 comes on 2nd draw, play J low, 5 mid. When J75 comes on third draw, play J low, 5 mid. When 942 comes on the end, play...
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    Ah, now I understand. A lot of people say that...

    Ah, now I understand. A lot of people say that FL is +13 EV in reg OFC and +9 or +10 in POFC, so you're right, that should be a good game for you.

    Still, you get to FL way more often in POFC,...
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    I think what MMM meant was that your POINT...

    I think what MMM meant was that your POINT expectation is higher, not that your net gain is higher. With 14 cards, big hands come up more often. But since your opponent is seeing 17 cards, and gets...
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    The set is fine. You don't show the opponent's...

    The set is fine. You don't show the opponent's cards, but assuming that he has no Kings, I think you could play the first draw better. The K:c: goes in the mid, but the 9:c: should go in the...
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    After you opponent shows you a 5, I think it's...

    After you opponent shows you a 5, I think it's better to set Q:c: / 6:d: 5:c: 5:h: / T:h:. The point of setting a pair low is to try to make trips or better, but with one of your outs gone, you're...
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    I think you'd do better in the long run by...

    I think you'd do better in the long run by setting Q:h: / 4:c: 3:s: / T:h: 9:d:. Try to get value out of your FL cards on the set. The way this hand actually played out, you'd end up fouling the...
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    Setting the 3-flush on the bottom with a pair in...

    Setting the 3-flush on the bottom with a pair in the mid is fine. The goal is to make the flush low, 2-pair or trips in the mid, and a backdoor FL pair on top (AA or KK). Alternately, you could set...
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    Geez, I need MadMojoMonkey to shed some light on...

    Geez, I need MadMojoMonkey to shed some light on the actual math, but I've played tens of thousands of POFC hands, and I'd argue that AA/54/9 will get there often enough to make it the best play.
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