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You can argue semantics over what does and doesn't constitute the "deep state", but none of that changes the fact that it was her batshit economic policies that sunk Liz Truss, not some hidden polity.

From the link above. It wasn't just the OBR she was threatening to shit all over, it was the Treasury and the Bank of England as well.

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The word "state" implies it's someone who works for the government though. The bankers don't work for the gov't, the markets don't either. So when a PM announces a financial policy and the markets...

I'd say LT has gone full retard, but it's a little late for that I guess.

I mean her argument isn't even that the DS caused the economy to crash, it's that it (and the trans activisits and whoever...

Well, not entirely. The DS usually refers to the national security apparatus, e.g., the CIA, FBI, heads of armed forces, etc.. In the UK that would be MI5, MI6, etc. While the president/PM is...

I knew it!

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/politics/2024/02/22/liz-truss-donald-trump-cpac-blames-trans-state-blame/

Lefty bankers hating on sovereignty.

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/02/14/brexit-has-sliced-5percent-off-uk-economic-growth-goldman-sachs-says.html

Goddamn woke libtard kids!

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/feb/14/brexit-tackle-politics-children-football

It's almost as if people care more about paying their bills and getting a doctor's appt. than they do about shipping asylum seekers to Rwanda.
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Right, it ***could*** happen. But it hasn't. And it won't. Because it's bullshit.





Not if they benefit as well from the overall scheme. Which apparently most of them feel they do, as...

Poetic, but has nothing to do with the point I was arguing.







Right, so where's all these great new trade deals we were promised?

Here's a question for you Ong: If nationalism is such an overwhelming force in politics, why do you think the other 27 members of the EU joined up with each other and have stayed together for so long?

The biggest barrier to trade is not language, it's law. The fact that we've made trading with the EU harder without changing the language we use one jot is evidence of that.


Not really clear to...

Nationalism = thoughtless flag-shagging. Got it.

What about all the other parts of the country who voted Remain? Were their democratic rights denied to them too? London voted to Remain, but had to go along with the rest of the UK, just like...

So the fact is you don't know of any laws you were hoping to repeal (which was a bunch of trade laws, it turns out), just that you wanted your sovereignty. Ok, cool.

Liar.





We had the democratic power to elect MEPs, we just chose to elect a bunch of wankers like Farage instead of serious people.

But let's assume it's the principle of the whole thing...

No, you're missing the point. If the idea is that "foreign" laws are so harmful to the UK that we're better off not having to follow them even if it means a long-term 4% reduction in GDP and higher...

"All of them" isn't an answer. Name one EU law you're happy we've gotten rid of since Brexit. You can find a list here:

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/schedule-of-retained-eu-law

Sure, I can see why you wouldn't want to be part of a "superstate," but if the alternative was a weaker economy and a lack of global integration and influence, maybe it's a fair trade off.

Never...

Also, which of the EU's laws are you happiest that we no longer have to follow now?

You mean, like the UN, the World Health Organisation, the IMF, or what? Yeah I think we should be part of those, because like the EU they have some power and it's better to be on the inside...

Which part of the sovereignty thing are you enjoying the most? Controlling immigration or making new trade deals?

Says the guy who draws a penis on his ballot.:rolleyes: