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I thought you'd like this, wuf.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gBoP8jZ1Is

2nd video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4zfmcTC5bM

Pretty much what Savy said.

Mathematical statements begin, "If you assume..." which is formally saying, "For the sake of the following discussion, that statement is absolutely true."

The thing...

Mathematics is not a science.

Mathematics is not based on experimental observations, but on propositions, or axioms. Mathematics supposes its axioms are true and draws logical conclusions based...

Hey wuf! This isn't exactly what you're looking for, but I think it'll give you plenty of food for thought when it comes to similarities in the mythological stories of many different cultures.
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Dude... you gotta travel outside of AZ once in a while. You don't need aliens to see that kind of shiz waz, just internationals.

or Romans
Gotta love a semi-unary number system that has no way...

@wuf: You need to get to the core of what you mean when you assert that something is true.

Also, It seems like you're trying to push "Is XXX real?" into a binary answer.

There's different kinds...

On inventing vs. discovering... Fine... I'll look into it. You're the 2nd person to ask.

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I'd think you, of all people, would see the humor in me using that trite abbreviation used by kids and idiots in pointing out something ridiculously arbitrary.

I said nothing of the sort. I'm not telling anyone what to believe. I'm looking at the struggle to understand belief, and it's importance to humans.


Science doesn't make "facts" in the way...

IF you're not willing to directly enumerate the math professors with which you've spoken on this topic and how many of them argued this with you, then you're still blowing hot air.

I've read...

It sounds like wuf is trying to get at a core question of why do we believe anything and how do we justify those beliefs?
Maybe with the deeper question: are there things worth believing that have...

This sounds like BS.

Like... how many math professors are we talking, here?

Have you directly asked all of them this question and gotten only one answer?
Or did you ask, like a whole lot* of...

Argh. "to a degree..." Sure... to a degree. What have we communicated to each other, here?

Some math is used to describe reality, but much more math is sets of logically consistent statements. ...

This is another assertion which makes me think myself in circles.

Math is cool and beautiful and fun whether or not it has anything to do with reality. Just like Tetris. or Chess, etc.

Sure,...

I haven't researched this in years. Start with google.

On the one hand, smart people have to think long and hard to figure out new cool stuff in mathematics, so it seems like it's an inventing...

I don't see how touch and sight are relevant, here. These properties are true of all ideas and emotions.

Black holes fit the bill, too. I believe they exist.

I believe either math exists or...

You may have solved that for yourself, but the arguments on both sides of this one are too compelling for me to rule against.

For me the curious part is the lack of clear answer to the question: do humans invent math or discover it?

What do you mean by "believe in?"
Do you mean "acknowledge its existence," or something more?

If you mean acknowledge its existence, then I think it's clear that we (each, as children) learned...