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I'd rather shove the flop than call the turn, if that's my choice.
I don't like folding the turn with a pair and a flush draw, but to be the 3rd hand in that pot, I probably would do so.

I'd...

If you ship OTF, then you get value from all the hands he folds that do not beat you AND you have a lot of outs to come ahead when he calls.

Just because he ONLY calls when he beats you doesn't...

EDIT: I'm talking about ong's suggestion to shove OTF, not your decision to call OTT.

You can use it to calculate the equity they need to call you, but

IT'S NOT THE SAME CALCULATION TO SHOVE ALL IN AS IT IS TO CALL AN ALL IN SHOVE

It's just not their whole range. That means that when they call us with 2-pair, that's not indicative of everything they could have done in that spot.

If they call us with 2-pair, but that 2-pair...

No. That's not your equity calc for shoving. That's his equity calc for calling.
They're not the same.

Your equity calc is
(% of times he folds)*(value of the pot NOW)
+ (% of times he...

Show me the math you did.

I'm happy to admit when I'm wrong and to learn from the mistake.
Ong, too.

If you're so confident that you're right and we're wrong, then repay that kindness you keep...

@DonkeyBets:
They're not calling with a hand, they're calling with a range of hands. You're betting against the range, not their specific holding this time.

No single hand can be considered +/-...

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Equity is complicated by the fact that you're calling into a side pot when you call the all-in bet.

I'm a little confused on the numbers at the end.
Going into the turn, there was 1.87 dead...