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    We're at an understanding roadblock, but I think...

    We're at an understanding roadblock, but I think we're on the same page. I'll go to bed with this:

    Unlike math, most people DONT agree on the definitions of words. Love means something different...
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    That just means the phrase wasnt as defined as...

    That just means the phrase wasnt as defined as you'd have liked. If a phrase has more than one meaning, it means either more than one meaning exists by definition...or it means someone failed in...
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    More accurate would be "1+2=4" is a concept like...

    More accurate would be "1+2=4" is a concept like "you are thor" is a concept. Neither is true by definition*

    *Perhaps "thor" is sometimes defined merely as the costume? Perhaps dressing as thor...
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    Patents do this routinely. It's all definitions,...

    Patents do this routinely. It's all definitions, even if it's not as neat as math.
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    I feel like I chose the wrong words to describe...

    I feel like I chose the wrong words to describe my thought.

    When I say people have trouble understanding and conveying math, I don't fault math and I don't mean that math can't do it. I mean...
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    Sounds like you're saying math has better...

    Sounds like you're saying math has better starting definitions.
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    Maybe it's closer to describing something like π?...

    Maybe it's closer to describing something like π?

    My point is that words rely on definition just like math. People suck at conveying and understanding math, and they suck at conveying and...
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    Words are no different than math. You can misuse...

    Words are no different than math. You can misuse both, but that doesn't mean they aren't accurate descriptors.

    Love, in your example, suffers in that it is trying to approximate...
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    Any proof like "all is not one" requires a...

    Any proof like "all is not one" requires a definition of all and one.

    Also, you reminded me of the invention of 0. Iirc, 0 wasn't discovered, but invented to define something. Maybe that bears...
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    When I say math applies itself to things...I...

    When I say math applies itself to things...I should say instead that we (people) see something and go "hey, I can describe what I see with maths!". Sometimes we are wrong in how we described that...
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    I don't understand how you can "believe" in math....

    I don't understand how you can "believe" in math. Math is a set of rules, wherein we agree on a set of beginning assumptions. 1+2=3 only makes sense because we all agree on the definitions of 1, 2,...
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