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Cool, thanks.

Why are the mathematics axioms assumed true?

Are you positing something being true by definition makes it true in the ultimate sense? Could you also clarify exactly what "true by definition" means?

Oh I remember now why I said numbers can be arbitrary but some systems dont seem to be. I don't know this from my own investigation but it's something I think I have seen from people discussing math...

Okay, this might help. Numbers are a concept and me being Thor is a concept. People treat numbers as if they are real and don't treat me as Thor as being real. While it is possible that I am...

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Ignore what I said. What I was getting at is more along the lines of when something is not exactly defined. Words in colloquial language might not be exactly defined, but numbers in mathematics...

Yeah, really the only thing I can say about the words thing is that it could be the case that that which runs our existence might be a bunch of symbols constructed in some coherent fashion. As far...

Actually, I'm unsure how good of a question this is. Words are a little different than numbers in that it's easy to think of words as arbitrary. Numbers certainly can be arbitrary, but there seems...

I think I reached the limits of my understanding, which is partly why I brought it up here.

I'm just baffled by what is actually "real" or "true" and what is not. For a long time I thought...

That's a great one.

I have a hypothesis that words might be fundamental in a way we don't even know. Code is words. If we're living in a simulation, well, "in the beginning was the word" goes...

Mathematicians probably think of themselves as inventors more than discoverers. I know I would. The human approach to it is highly inventive.

They both move forward in the sense you provide, as well as they occupy mostly different space. Fundamentalism has made a big mistake, in my estimation, by treating religious ideas as scientifically...

It's a good question. The best answer I can come up with (stolen from Jordan Peterson) is that which has led to reproduction. In the human scope, even the organism scope, this has limits. However,...

Still haven't answered the question.

As for your concerns, you're speaking to the choir. I already believe pretty much the same thing you do. I just have less certainty about my assumptions. ...

You'd have to provide answers then.



Why assume that isn't what I'm doing? It's about half that and about half I like to actually understand things instead of tricking myself into believing...

The key reason I became atheist is because I found the argument that any known religious ideas are not demonstrated by science. Yet, it has recently come to my attention that this is probably the...

The question I asked is the one I wanted to ask. I also want to ask other questions, just starting with the one I asked. We've gotten some meaningful input so far. I'll probably be adding more...

I mean something along these lines: the equation 2 + 2 = 4 is a mathematical framework that models reality, like, say, when we have 2 and 2 apples. Regardless, the terminology I chose might not be...

Given this, do you think it is the case that mathematics models reality to a degree and thus it is appropriate to think of mathematics as a real thing -- even if abstract or metaphysical -- regarding...

If it's an invention that coherently models reality to a degree, it's emergent from the state of reality and thus discovered. Saying it's one or the other might just be a matter of scope.

In my...

I'd say it's probably both invented and discovered.

Savy should change his name to Certainty

"Acknowledge the existence of" is a fine way of putting it too. I chose to not use that phraseology for a reason, but that reason is probably unimportant. Perhaps "why is it useful" might be a...

I could use an explanation.