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Yeah I mean the video ends with the woman in a pool of blood and a bunch of stunned cunts looking down on her, so it's not clear if another one tried to climb thru the same window. But I'mma gonna go out on a limb and say "probably not."Quote:
Originally Posted by oskar
https://www.state.gov/biographies/donald-j-trump/
Did someone just get 25'ed?Quote:
Donald J. Trump's term ended on 2021-01-11 19:38:51.
Not according to the Independent:Quote:
Originally Posted by oskar
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b1785271.html
Perhaps he has succumbed to a "medical emergency?"
I had a feeling that once the coup failed and he went silent, that they'd put him under house arrest and were just keeping it quiet.
House will vote on impeachment on wednesday if he hasn't resigned or removed through the 25th by then. Resigning and getting a pardon might be the best move for him. I don't think his ego allows that. I hope this isn't Nixon 2.0. I wouldn't bet money on Trump facing any consequence, but I sure hope he will.
Trump admin just criminalized humanitarian aid to Yemen and designated Cuba a state sponsor of terrorism. Whatever the plan is there, it's not good.
Yes, they have bunkers inside the building. That's where the "important" people were. They were never in any danger.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
Ong - what if the cop just put he gun away, opened the door and said "Fuck it, go ahead"
How would that be worse than what actually happened?
One of the new Qanon congresswomen tweetet out their location down to the minute when the mob was coming up the stairs. I know those fuckers like to do "research" but apparently they didn't do enough research to know where the chamber of the house was or they would have found them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.Banana
Staff and congress was hiding in different locations. They definitely weren't in any sort of bunker. At least not all of them.
It doesn't really matter what I think happens. What does the cop think happens, with the information he has at the time, given the stress and fear he is currently under? Does he think standing down will endanger congress, staff or security? Maybe he was under direct orders to not stand down. idk.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.Banana
I'm calling the shooter a cop, when all I saw was a gun. It could have been congress security, or even military. Cop seems most likely, but it's not a given. Who knows where his orders were coming from? Who knows if he intended to fire a warning shot and hit someone by accident? Too much speculation.
I don't have a great deal of sympathy for the lady who was shot. Obviously it's terrible, but when you put yourself in that situation, you have to understand it's a risk you're willingly taking. I mean, the same can be argued when we talk about cops, who sign up for a dangerous job, but there's the difference... the cops are just doing their job, while the protesters are the ones causing the situation.
Every other cop in the place was faced with the exact same decision. They were all armed. They were all confronted by crowds of people in one way or another. They all knew they were standing between the protesters and law makers.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
Somehow only one cop used bullets.
Sure, but this one cop was protecting an area where the protesters had not yet accessed. That entrance might have been a "red line". We're speculating hard here, I'm unaware of a report on this yet, but the details should trickle out over time. As things stand, I'll give the cop the benefit of the doubt and assume he was justified in his actions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.Banana
Your whole theory hinges on "Maybe that was a really sensitive area that they were trying to access"
Did you see the flimsy door with lots of breakable glass? Does that look like the kind of thing you would use to barricade a high-value, vulnerable, or sensitive area?
Face it dude, the cop shit his pants. That's all. That used to be a crime, until it was a Trump supporter getting killed.
Cops shooting crowds of protesters used to be considered really really bad in this country.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_S...s#Legal_action
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Some of the Guardsmen on Blanket Hill, fearful and anxious from prior events, may have believed in their own minds that their lives were in danger. Hindsight suggests that another method would have resolved the confrontation. Better ways must be found to deal with such a confrontation.
idk, maybe you're right, but I'm not going to default to "cop is a cunt" under such circumstances. I might well change my mind as more information emerges.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.Banana
Honestly, I'm just trying to be neutral here. I didn't have any sympathy for BLM protesters who fought with cops, I don't have sympathy for looters who get shot, I'm not going to have any for a protester who gets shot in the Capitol when a mob is trying to force its way into an area they don't currently hold.
You're wrong. We entrust cops with the a literal license to kill. We arm them, train them, and empower them to use deadly force when absolutely necessary. In return, we're allowed to hold them to an extremely high standard of probable cause for using that force.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
"they weren't supposed to be there" is not a good enough reason for shooting someone.
I can't believe that people afraid of a dictatorship are perfectly ok saying "well, cops should just be allowed to have "red lines" where they can shoot anyone who crosses it"
I mean if this is a cop who just panicked, you're right, he's unfit for the job. But that's an assumption at this stage. When cops shoot black people, I'm the first to argue that maybe that individual was behaving in a way where it was a serious risk, and that maybe he wasn't shot because of the colour of his skin. In some cases I'm wrong, and perhaps I am here.Quote:
Originally Posted by banana
It's not that "they're not supposed to be here". Trespass doesn't warrant a bullet to the neck. The cop is only justified if he felt he, or those he was protecting, were in danger, and that he had no other option. I can't say that isn't the case. Can you?
Yeah, yeah I can.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
Do you know how I know?
Tons of other cops faced the same decision and chose another option.
I'm still reserving judgement. I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm simply exercising caution.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.Banana
Well alright, let's get back to parler then.
I hope the libertarians wake the fuck up now. The "Free Market" isn't free anymore. You can't just "make your own twitter" and compete.
The tech oligarchs at Google, Apple, and Amazon can squeeze you out if you get too popular.
So banana, in your fevered imagination what was this all about? Just a peaceful protest that the cop overreacted to?
Also, curious to hear the right-wing theory of why the security at the Capitol was so lax to begin with. Another frame up by BLM?
Unless she/twitter deleted a bunch of her earlier tweets, I think this is a dead end. She didn't tweet that until after 7 pm, by which time the building was already secure.Quote:
Originally Posted by oskar
She's still a fucking loony though. Sarah Palin on crack.
Edit: Unless twitter time-stamped it with UK time and not local time; in that case it was at 2.15 pm D.C. time.
Best I can piece together from the Buzzfeed map, the woman who was shot was trying to get into the House chambers. Not clear why it was barricaded unless their were still congresspeople inside.
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article...=relatedmanual
So yeah, a bullet in that situation seems appropriate.
Buzzfeed has to be the single most bullshit source of them all.
I'm probably exaggerating, but fuck me that site is pure garbage.
What was what all about? The protest?Quote:
Originally Posted by Poopadoop
Dude...they came into the room and said "Stop counting votes and go home". Except all the democrats stayed. Then suitcases came out from under desks filled with ballots that went 99% for Biden. Those votes were counted with no verification/supervision. Then someone came and asked "WTF?". And the answer was "a pipe burst". When asked "which pipe?" the answer was "shut up nazi!"
When they asked the Georgia election official to check into it, he said "Nah, it'll be fine"
People feel like the election was stolen, and they have a legitimate claim. Regardless of what the real results are, we can't be having situations where hidden suitcases full of votes are counted after a false pipe-burst claim sent all the supervisors home. That can't happen in a country that claims to have fair elections. I dont' care if those suitcases were full of confetti. That kind of shit can't be happening, period. When it does, it raises doubt.
add to that all the swing states that corruptly changed their voting rules just weeks before the election and you get a hell of a lot of pissed off people. Regardless of who you think actually won, you have to admit there is enough shifty bullshit to justify doubt.
No. No it doesn'tQuote:
Originally Posted by Poopadoop
The simple solution is to stop giving them money. I use DuckDuckGo, I don't have Amazon Prime, I buy my shit off eBay, I don't have a smartphone, I just try to give as little of my money as possible to these companies. Obviously it's impossible to cut them out altogether, but I try.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.Banana
Both Facebook and Twitter have lost billions off their value in the last day. It's probably a temporary loss, but that depends if an alternative can be established.
Parler never was a viable alternative. Gab might be.
no. Just noQuote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
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Originally Posted by Mr.Banana
Cool story bro.
Nothing to do with reality except in the vaguest sense that yes, there was an election.
Other than that methnks you've been watching too much Fox News again.
Poop is just proving the protester's point.
They're problem is that there is a ruling class that not only ignores them...openly despises them.
Saying it's ok for a cop to kill when he's protecting certain really important people is exactly the problem.
Well it's not simple because people won't do it. Half the people are actually happy with their unchecked power, and most of the other half are too lazy too make changes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.Banana
But it's simple in theory. If everyone stopped consuming Amazon products, they would disappear.
Ok. Just deny it. Nothing to see here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Poopadoop
hand waving hand waving hand waving.
Yeah, that might work, in theory, if Amazon sold products.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
It doesn't.
Amazon is a logistics company. They're more like UPS/Fedex than they are like WalMart. Amazon sells marketplace access and infrastructure.
Not products.
The US media is the problem. The whole enterprise is an exercise in propaganda about how the other side is trying to fuck you and your side. It's no wonder half your country hates the other half.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.Banana
Everyone being protected by the police is important. Your argument seems to be that the people you elected are LESS important than the average citizen. If it had been a gym full of people watching a basketball game and an angry mob was trying to smash their way in, you'd be ok with the cop shooting them in the face.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.Banana
Ok just repeat some more stories you got off FN and I'll ignore them too. Glad we've come to an arrangement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.Banana
Look man, plenty of people have dug into the "pipe burst" story. There isn't a plumber, contractor, or Aquaman that can corroborate that story. There is no work order. No invoice. Not even a wet spot on the carpet.
Someone made up a story about a pipe bursting. That is a known, irrefutable fact.
Now I want to know why they did that.
btw, "hand waving" is when you try to argue for something for which you have no plausible evidence. It's not when you dismiss someone's argument because they have no plausible evidence; that's "anti-hand waving."Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.Banana
Ok products, services, same shit. I mean here in the UK they sell football matches. Fine, it's a streaming service, they haven't made an actual product, I was just being lazy with my language.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.Banana
If people stop using their services, then they would disappear.
I mean maybe I'm just ignorant about what Amazon do. They started off as a rival to eBay, and branched out. To what extent, I really don't know. I don't use their services, at least not directly. Perhaps I do indirectly without being aware of it. That's a problem, of course.
No. No I wouldn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Poopadoop
They're facilitating a chinese global takeover.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-...p-says-1558876
Looks like Trump and his lawyers made up some bullshit to cast doubt on the election, which has been refuted. There's a surveillance videotape of the scene - maybe you should go ask for it under Freedom of Information if this is keeping you up at night.
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Originally Posted by Mr.Banana
I thought 5G and the coronavirus vaccine were doing that.
Also, I got news for you. China is going to overtake the US within the next 30 years, whether Amazon is around or not.
Hand waving!Quote:
Originally Posted by Poopadoop
"Oh no, it wasn't a pipe, it was a toilet. Nothing to see here. don't' ask about the hidden suitcases. Don't ask why only the republicans went home. Nothing to see here. Just shut up or we'll put you on the no-fly list."
Go get the video. Seriously, this is going to eat you upside until you finally join yallqaeda and end up dead on the floor of an Amazon warehouse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.Banana
I've seen the video. It shows hidden suitcases full of ballots getting counted when the republican observers were all sent home after a "plumbing emergency"
And on your tombstone it will say "Why didn't they just let me in to commit a few murders?"
And maybe it was all legit. the point is, you don't know. You can't say for sure.
What happened was against every sound election procedure we have. And enough votes were counted to have possibly swayed the election. It demands an investigation, but an investigation was denied.
How do you expect people to just accept that quietly?
Funny how that video was not used in court in one of Trump's febrile lawsuits.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.Banana
Jesus man. This is the real world, not some "minority report" fan fiction masturbation fantasy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Poopadoop
You don't get to shoot people for what they "might" do.
How do you know this?Quote:
Originally Posted by Poopadoop
He lost by three states. They recounted the GA votes twice. The Republican gov'nr told Trump to put down the crack pipe. The courts threw out all the laughable cases they had. It's over, deal with it. Or join yallqaeda. Whatever.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.Banana
Gotta go. Tucker's on
One hundred thirty something congressman and senators objected to the certification of the election and insisted on an audit of the votes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Poopadoop
So don't tell me the case is "laughable"
Collectively those lawmakers represent some 40-50 million people.
This isn't a fringe conspiracy theory.
I'm skipping ahead cuz I'm too lazy to read all of this, but re: the woman getting shot climbing through the barricade:
The cop decided to make a stand and he decided to draw his weapon to enforce that stand. From what I saw in the video, his gun was obviously drawn. At this point, anyone who continues to advance on his position needs to be considered deranged and/or a serious threat.
And look, I'm not saying the video gives us all we need to know that it was a justifiable shooting, but given the info in the video and the other info we have, it's nutty to conclude that it probably wasn't justified.
Who encouraged and in many cases actively promoted these conspiracy theories? Oh, those very same congressmen and women? So for short term political gain they created this mess, then you're saying their continued short term'ism justifies the mess? Huh?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.Banana
Well sounds like you got cucked. Maybe try to get a better lawyer next time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.Banana
I absolutely love what's happening. Republicans at the same time cannot afford to break with Trump and cannot afford to hang on to Trump. Trump put them in a situation where they can only lose and it's anyone's guess which option will be more damaging electorally.Quote:
Originally Posted by boost
RUdy's not a good lawyer? But he's a macho man!Quote:
Originally Posted by oskar
So your proof of a rigged election is a random video which shows hidden suitcases (what?), that for some reason you think contain fraudulent votes. So glad to have you back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.Banana
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-e...n_from_Georgia
I don't even know how to begin to respond to this. What exactly is your argument?Quote:
Originally Posted by boost
Are you saying that roughly 25% of congress decided it would be "good" for them to howl "conspiracy theories"?
"Conspiracy Theory" is a slur. Not an argument.
Seriously guys, don't bother trying to debate the Georgia suitcases with me. The fraud claims related to that have *NOT* been debunked.
No one can explain why the republicans went home and no one else did.
Every "Fact check" article about this simply quotes the GA official as saying that's "normal ballot processing".
Well, it's not NORMAL because it only happened during that exact time when no one was watching. That's not normal.
They won't explain it. they just say, "nah, Trump is wrong. Stop undermining democracy you insurrectionist!! What we did was NORMAL"
that's not an explanation. that's hand waving
It's funny. Boost just gave me a jab telling me how 25% of this country's legislator is guilty of espousing conspiracy theories for short term personal gain. But the one democrat in charge of GA elections.....that guys is just doing his job "normally"
Wow
Don't put words in my mouth. I never said "rigged". I said there is enough irregularities and nonsense to cast an unacceptable amount of doubt on the election results.Quote:
Originally Posted by CoccoBill
But since you brought up the word. Having a handful of activist judges change the election laws in multiple states, just weeks before the election, all in ways that favor democrats....that really sounds like "rigging" to most people.
We should make a time-capsule thread. I want to respond to this in four years.Quote:
Originally Posted by oskar
https://wtop.com/dc/2021/01/prosecut...fficers-death/
Coming soon to America....gulags.
A handful of activist judges heh. It's really a shame that the more people are allowed to vote, the more it favors democrats, isn't it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.Banana
"Among the 29 states and the District of Columbia that enacted expansive voting laws, seven states stand out for particularly ambitious legislative action to protect the right to vote in the face of significant constraints posed by the pandemic. These measures aimed to smooth election administration and protect voters and election workers from Covid-19. California, Connecticut, Massachusetts, New York, Nevada, Utah, and Virginia all made substantial changes to their election laws this year to preserve safe access to the ballot box."
https://www.brennancenter.org/our-wo...roundup-2020-0
oh fuck off with that.
The votes are supposed to be observed by independent observers. They can't see shit from 6ft away.
So we don't get a real election "because it's COVID time!!"
And that's what you call "particularly ambitious legislation"
That's a scam.
So they expanded mail-in voting, let's just pretend that's fine for now.
How are people offered "safe access to the ballot box" when a judge rules that the vote-counters don't have to verify signatures on mail-in ballots.
Who was it that just minutes ago accused someone of putting words in their mouth?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.Banana
So in a nutshell, you don't think COVID is a big deal, because reasons, and therefore having measures to protect people from it is a scam. At least there's some internal coherence between your conspiracy theories, impressive.
Well yes, but that's not really relevant here. Covid could be a "big deal" and still not be big enough to justify sacrificing fair elections.Quote:
Originally Posted by CoccoBill
You can use this excuse to justify anything.Quote:
having measures to protect people from it
The rules say two people have to see the ballot. This year, only one person saw each ballot....cuz covid. And that's just fine to you? Really dude?
"The rules", you mean in Georgia? You do know that each state decides "the rules" by themselves? Georgia did not enact any changes to their election laws in 2020.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.Banana
No. there you go putting words in my mouth again. Georgia is a problem. PA is a problem. There can be more than one problem. In fact, there are ALOT of problems all around the country and they can't ALL be conspiracy theories.Quote:
Originally Posted by CoccoBill
If you really think that every ballot can be tied back to a single human, who voted legally, only once, then I don't know what to tell you.
If you're just going to insist that we swallow everything the media and government say, without any question or challenge, then you're lost. Good luck dude.
"There is no evidence of widespread voter fraud"
Notice how the media drumbeat always makes sure to include that word "widespread".
Why do you think that is?
Ah my bad, didn't realize we're playing bullshit bingo. "Putting words in someone's mouth" means saying someone said something they didn't. Contrast that with someone asking you if this is what you meant. You can usually tell those apart by the question mark at the end. Good job, 1 point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.Banana
Ok so "problems" means states that the gop lost, gotcha.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.Banana
Yeah I definitely didn't say anything about any of that, well done. Let the courts, with majority republican nominated judges, mind you, decide.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.Banana
On top of putting words in my mouth, his could also be classified as a strawman or even begging the question. 3 points, nice!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.Banana
Because single cases have been found pretty much every election, it would be disingenuous to say there's none.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.Banana