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Originally Posted by Poopadoop

So banana, in your fevered imagination what was this all about?

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What was what all about? The protest?

Dude...they came into the room and said "Stop counting votes and go home". Except all the democrats stayed. Then suitcases came out from under desks filled with ballots that went 99% for Biden. Those votes were counted with no verification/supervision. Then someone came and asked "WTF?". And the answer was "a pipe burst". When asked "which pipe?" the answer was "shut up nazi!"

When they asked the Georgia election official to check into it, he said "Nah, it'll be fine"

People feel like the election was stolen, and they have a legitimate claim. Regardless of what the real results are, we can't be having situations where hidden suitcases full of votes are counted after a false pipe-burst claim sent all the supervisors home. That can't happen in a country that claims to have fair elections. I dont' care if those suitcases were full of confetti. That kind of shit can't be happening, period. When it does, it raises doubt.

add to that all the swing states that corruptly changed their voting rules just weeks before the election and you get a hell of a lot of pissed off people. Regardless of who you think actually won, you have to admit there is enough shifty bullshit to justify doubt.

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Originally Posted by Poopadoop

So yeah, a bullet in that situation seems appropriate.

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No. No it doesn't

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Originally Posted by Mr.Banana

Well alright, let's get back to parler then.

I hope the libertarians wake the fuck up now. The "Free Market" isn't free anymore. You can't just "make your own twitter" and compete.

The tech oligarchs at Google, Apple, and Amazon can squeeze you out if you get too popular.

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The simple solution is to stop giving them money. I use DuckDuckGo, I don't have Amazon Prime, I buy my shit off eBay, I don't have a smartphone, I just try to give as little of my money as possible to these companies. Obviously it's impossible to cut them out altogether, but I try.

Both Facebook and Twitter have lost billions off their value in the last day. It's probably a temporary loss, but that depends if an alternative can be established.

Parler never was a viable alternative. Gab might be.

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Originally Posted by OngBonga

simple solution

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no. Just no

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Originally Posted by Mr.Banana

What was what all about? The protest?

Dude...they came into the room and said "Stop counting votes and go home". Except all the democrats stayed. Then suitcases came out from under desks filled with ballots that went 99% for Biden. Those votes were counted with no verification/supervision. Then someone came and asked "WTF?". And the answer was "a pipe burst". When asked "which pipe?" the answer was "shut up nazi!"

When they asked the Georgia election official to check into it, he said "Nah, it'll be fine"

People feel like the election was stolen, and they have a legitimate claim. Regardless of what the real results are, we can't be having situations where hidden suitcases full of votes are counted after a false pipe-burst claim sent all the supervisors home. That can't happen in a country that claims to have fair elections. I dont' care if those suitcases were full of confetti. That kind of shit can't be happening, period. When it does, it raises doubt.

add to that all the swing states that corruptly changed their voting rules just weeks before the election and you get a hell of a lot of pissed off people. Regardless of who you think actually won, you have to admit there is enough shifty bullshit to justify doubt.

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Cool story bro.

Nothing to do with reality except in the vaguest sense that yes, there was an election.

Other than that methnks you've been watching too much Fox News again.

Poop is just proving the protester's point.

They're problem is that there is a ruling class that not only ignores them...openly despises them.

Saying it's ok for a cop to kill when he's protecting certain really important people is exactly the problem.

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Originally Posted by Mr.Banana

no. Just no

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Well it's not simple because people won't do it. Half the people are actually happy with their unchecked power, and most of the other half are too lazy too make changes.

But it's simple in theory. If everyone stopped consuming Amazon products, they would disappear.

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Originally Posted by Poopadoop

Cool story bro.

Nothing to do with reality except in the vaguest sense that yes, there was an election.

Other than that methnks you've been watching too much Fox News again.

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Ok. Just deny it. Nothing to see here.

hand waving hand waving hand waving.

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Originally Posted by OngBonga

But it's simple in theory. If everyone stopped consuming Amazon products, they would disappear.

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Yeah, that might work, in theory, if Amazon sold products.

It doesn't.

Amazon is a logistics company. They're more like UPS/Fedex than they are like WalMart. Amazon sells marketplace access and infrastructure.

Not products.

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Originally Posted by Mr.Banana

Poop is just proving the protester's point.

They're problem is that there is a ruling class that not only ignores them...openly despises them.

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The US media is the problem. The whole enterprise is an exercise in propaganda about how the other side is trying to fuck you and your side. It's no wonder half your country hates the other half.

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Originally Posted by Mr.Banana

Saying it's ok for a cop to kill when he's protecting certain really important people is exactly the problem.

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Everyone being protected by the police is important. Your argument seems to be that the people you elected are LESS important than the average citizen. If it had been a gym full of people watching a basketball game and an angry mob was trying to smash their way in, you'd be ok with the cop shooting them in the face.

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Originally Posted by Mr.Banana

Ok. Just deny it. Nothing to see here.

hand waving hand waving hand waving.

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Ok just repeat some more stories you got off FN and I'll ignore them too. Glad we've come to an arrangement.

Look man, plenty of people have dug into the "pipe burst" story. There isn't a plumber, contractor, or Aquaman that can corroborate that story. There is no work order. No invoice. Not even a wet spot on the carpet.

Someone made up a story about a pipe bursting. That is a known, irrefutable fact.

Now I want to know why they did that.

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Originally Posted by Mr.Banana

hand waving hand waving hand waving.

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btw, "hand waving" is when you try to argue for something for which you have no plausible evidence. It's not when you dismiss someone's argument because they have no plausible evidence; that's "anti-hand waving."

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Originally Posted by Mr.Banana

Yeah, that might work, in theory, if Amazon sold products.

It doesn't.

Amazon is a logistics company. They're more like UPS/Fedex than they are like WalMart. Amazon sells marketplace access and infrastructure.

Not products.

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Ok products, services, same shit. I mean here in the UK they sell football matches. Fine, it's a streaming service, they haven't made an actual product, I was just being lazy with my language.

If people stop using their services, then they would disappear.

I mean maybe I'm just ignorant about what Amazon do. They started off as a rival to eBay, and branched out. To what extent, I really don't know. I don't use their services, at least not directly. Perhaps I do indirectly without being aware of it. That's a problem, of course.

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Originally Posted by Poopadoop

If it had been a gym full of people watching a basketball game and an angry mob was trying to smash their way in, you'd be ok with the cop shooting them in the face.

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No. No I wouldn't.

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Originally Posted by OngBonga

I really don't know [what amazon does]

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They're facilitating a chinese global takeover.

https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-...p-says-1558876

Looks like Trump and his lawyers made up some bullshit to cast doubt on the election, which has been refuted. There's a surveillance videotape of the scene - maybe you should go ask for it under Freedom of Information if this is keeping you up at night.

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Originally Posted by Mr.Banana

They're facilitating a chinese global takeover.

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I thought 5G and the coronavirus vaccine were doing that.

Also, I got news for you. China is going to overtake the US within the next 30 years, whether Amazon is around or not.

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Originally Posted by Poopadoop

https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-...p-says-1558876

Looks like Trump and his lawyers made up some bullshit to cast doubt on the election, which has been refuted. There's a surveillance videotape of the scene - maybe you should go ask for it under Freedom of Information if this is keeping you up at night.

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Hand waving!

"Oh no, it wasn't a pipe, it was a toilet. Nothing to see here. don't' ask about the hidden suitcases. Don't ask why only the republicans went home. Nothing to see here. Just shut up or we'll put you on the no-fly list."

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Originally Posted by Mr.Banana

Hand waving!

"Oh no, it wasn't a pipe, it was a toilet. Nothing to see here. don't' ask about the hidden suitcases. Don't ask why only the republicans went home. Nothing to see here. Just shut up or we'll put you on the no-fly list."

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Go get the video. Seriously, this is going to eat you upside until you finally join yallqaeda and end up dead on the floor of an Amazon warehouse.

I've seen the video. It shows hidden suitcases full of ballots getting counted when the republican observers were all sent home after a "plumbing emergency"

And on your tombstone it will say "Why didn't they just let me in to commit a few murders?"

And maybe it was all legit. the point is, you don't know. You can't say for sure.

What happened was against every sound election procedure we have. And enough votes were counted to have possibly swayed the election. It demands an investigation, but an investigation was denied.

How do you expect people to just accept that quietly?

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Originally Posted by Mr.Banana

I've seen the video. It shows hidden suitcases full of ballots getting counted when the republican observers were all sent home after a "plumbing emergency"

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Funny how that video was not used in court in one of Trump's febrile lawsuits.

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Originally Posted by Poopadoop

And on your tombstone it will say "Why didn't they just let me in to commit a few murders?"

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Jesus man. This is the real world, not some "minority report" fan fiction masturbation fantasy.

You don't get to shoot people for what they "might" do.

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Originally Posted by Poopadoop

Funny how that video was not used in court in one of Trump's febrile lawsuits.

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How do you know this?

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Originally Posted by Mr.Banana

And maybe it was all legit. the point is, you don't know. You can't say for sure.

What happened was against every sound election procedure we have. And enough votes were counted to have possibly swayed the election. It demands an investigation, but an investigation was denied.

How do you expect people to just accept that quietly?

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He lost by three states. They recounted the GA votes twice. The Republican gov'nr told Trump to put down the crack pipe. The courts threw out all the laughable cases they had. It's over, deal with it. Or join yallqaeda. Whatever.

Gotta go. Tucker's on

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Originally Posted by Poopadoop

He lost by three states. They recounted the GA votes twice. The Republican gov'nr told Trump to put down the crack pipe. The courts threw out all the laughable cases they had. It's over, deal with it. Or join yallqaeda. Whatever.

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One hundred thirty something congressman and senators objected to the certification of the election and insisted on an audit of the votes.

So don't tell me the case is "laughable"

Collectively those lawmakers represent some 40-50 million people.

This isn't a fringe conspiracy theory.

I'm skipping ahead cuz I'm too lazy to read all of this, but re: the woman getting shot climbing through the barricade:

The cop decided to make a stand and he decided to draw his weapon to enforce that stand. From what I saw in the video, his gun was obviously drawn. At this point, anyone who continues to advance on his position needs to be considered deranged and/or a serious threat.

And look, I'm not saying the video gives us all we need to know that it was a justifiable shooting, but given the info in the video and the other info we have, it's nutty to conclude that it probably wasn't justified.

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Originally Posted by Mr.Banana

One hundred thirty something congressman and senators objected to the certification of the election and insisted on an audit of the votes.

So don't tell me the case is "laughable"

Collectively those lawmakers represent some 40-50 million people.

This isn't a fringe conspiracy theory.

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Who encouraged and in many cases actively promoted these conspiracy theories? Oh, those very same congressmen and women? So for short term political gain they created this mess, then you're saying their continued short term'ism justifies the mess? Huh?

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Originally Posted by Mr.Banana

Then suitcases came out from under desks filled with ballots that went 99% for Biden...

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Well sounds like you got cucked. Maybe try to get a better lawyer next time.

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Originally Posted by boost

Who encouraged and in many cases actively promoted these conspiracy theories? Oh, those very same congressmen and women? So for short term political gain they created this mess, then you're saying their continued short term'ism justifies the mess? Huh?

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I absolutely love what's happening. Republicans at the same time cannot afford to break with Trump and cannot afford to hang on to Trump. Trump put them in a situation where they can only lose and it's anyone's guess which option will be more damaging electorally.

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Originally Posted by oskar

Well sounds like you got cucked. Maybe try to get a better lawyer next time.

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RUdy's not a good lawyer? But he's a macho man!

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Originally Posted by Mr.Banana

I've seen the video. It shows hidden suitcases full of ballots getting counted when the republican observers were all sent home after a "plumbing emergency"

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So your proof of a rigged election is a random video which shows hidden suitcases (what?), that for some reason you think contain fraudulent votes. So glad to have you back.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-e...n_from_Georgia

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Originally Posted by boost

Who encouraged and in many cases actively promoted these conspiracy theories? Oh, those very same congressmen and women? So for short term political gain they created this mess, then you're saying their continued short term'ism justifies the mess? Huh?

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I don't even know how to begin to respond to this. What exactly is your argument?

Are you saying that roughly 25% of congress decided it would be "good" for them to howl "conspiracy theories"?

"Conspiracy Theory" is a slur. Not an argument.

Seriously guys, don't bother trying to debate the Georgia suitcases with me. The fraud claims related to that have *NOT* been debunked.

No one can explain why the republicans went home and no one else did.

Every "Fact check" article about this simply quotes the GA official as saying that's "normal ballot processing".

Well, it's not NORMAL because it only happened during that exact time when no one was watching. That's not normal.

They won't explain it. they just say, "nah, Trump is wrong. Stop undermining democracy you insurrectionist!! What we did was NORMAL"

that's not an explanation. that's hand waving


It's funny. Boost just gave me a jab telling me how 25% of this country's legislator is guilty of espousing conspiracy theories for short term personal gain. But the one democrat in charge of GA elections.....that guys is just doing his job "normally"

Wow

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Originally Posted by CoccoBill

So your proof of a rigged election is a random video which shows hidden suitcases (what?), that for some reason you think contain fraudulent votes. So glad to have you back.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-e...n_from_Georgia

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Don't put words in my mouth. I never said "rigged". I said there is enough irregularities and nonsense to cast an unacceptable amount of doubt on the election results.



But since you brought up the word. Having a handful of activist judges change the election laws in multiple states, just weeks before the election, all in ways that favor democrats....that really sounds like "rigging" to most people.

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Originally Posted by oskar

I absolutely love what's happening. Republicans at the same time cannot afford to break with Trump and cannot afford to hang on to Trump. Trump put them in a situation where they can only lose and it's anyone's guess which option will be more damaging electorally.

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We should make a time-capsule thread. I want to respond to this in four years.

https://wtop.com/dc/2021/01/prosecut...fficers-death/

Coming soon to America....gulags.

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Originally Posted by Mr.Banana

But since you brought up the word. Having a handful of activist judges change the election laws in multiple states, just weeks before the election, all in ways that favor democrats....that really sounds like "rigging" to most people.

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A handful of activist judges heh. It's really a shame that the more people are allowed to vote, the more it favors democrats, isn't it.

"Among the 29 states and the District of Columbia that enacted expansive voting laws, seven states stand out for particularly ambitious legislative action to protect the right to vote in the face of significant constraints posed by the pandemic. These measures aimed to smooth election administration and protect voters and election workers from Covid-19. California, Connecticut, Massachusetts, New York, Nevada, Utah, and Virginia all made substantial changes to their election laws this year to preserve safe access to the ballot box."

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-wo...roundup-2020-0

oh fuck off with that.

The votes are supposed to be observed by independent observers. They can't see shit from 6ft away.

So we don't get a real election "because it's COVID time!!"

And that's what you call "particularly ambitious legislation"

That's a scam.

So they expanded mail-in voting, let's just pretend that's fine for now.

How are people offered "safe access to the ballot box" when a judge rules that the vote-counters don't have to verify signatures on mail-in ballots.

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Originally Posted by Mr.Banana

And that's what you call "particularly ambitious legislation"

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Who was it that just minutes ago accused someone of putting words in their mouth?

So in a nutshell, you don't think COVID is a big deal, because reasons, and therefore having measures to protect people from it is a scam. At least there's some internal coherence between your conspiracy theories, impressive.

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Originally Posted by CoccoBill

So in a nutshell, you don't think COVID is a big deal,

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Well yes, but that's not really relevant here. Covid could be a "big deal" and still not be big enough to justify sacrificing fair elections.

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having measures to protect people from it

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You can use this excuse to justify anything.


The rules say two people have to see the ballot. This year, only one person saw each ballot....cuz covid. And that's just fine to you? Really dude?

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Originally Posted by Mr.Banana

The rules say two people have to see the ballot. This year, only one person saw each ballot....cuz covid. And that's just fine to you? Really dude?

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"The rules", you mean in Georgia? You do know that each state decides "the rules" by themselves? Georgia did not enact any changes to their election laws in 2020.

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Originally Posted by CoccoBill

"The rules", you mean in Georgia?

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No. there you go putting words in my mouth again. Georgia is a problem. PA is a problem. There can be more than one problem. In fact, there are ALOT of problems all around the country and they can't ALL be conspiracy theories.

If you really think that every ballot can be tied back to a single human, who voted legally, only once, then I don't know what to tell you.

If you're just going to insist that we swallow everything the media and government say, without any question or challenge, then you're lost. Good luck dude.

"There is no evidence of widespread voter fraud"

Notice how the media drumbeat always makes sure to include that word "widespread".

Why do you think that is?

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Originally Posted by Mr.Banana

No. there you go putting words in my mouth again.

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Ah my bad, didn't realize we're playing bullshit bingo. "Putting words in someone's mouth" means saying someone said something they didn't. Contrast that with someone asking you if this is what you meant. You can usually tell those apart by the question mark at the end. Good job, 1 point.

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Originally Posted by Mr.Banana

Georgia is a problem. PA is a problem. There can be more than one problem. In fact, there are ALOT of problems all around the country and they can't ALL be conspiracy theories.

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Ok so "problems" means states that the gop lost, gotcha.

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Originally Posted by Mr.Banana

If you really think that every ballot can be tied back to a single human, who voted legally, only once, then I don't know what to tell you.

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Yeah I definitely didn't say anything about any of that, well done. Let the courts, with majority republican nominated judges, mind you, decide.

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Originally Posted by Mr.Banana

If you're just going to insist that we swallow everything the media and government say, without any question or challenge, then you're lost. Good luck dude.

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On top of putting words in my mouth, his could also be classified as a strawman or even begging the question. 3 points, nice!

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Originally Posted by Mr.Banana

"There is no evidence of widespread voter fraud"

Notice how the media drumbeat always makes sure to include that word "widespread".

Why do you think that is?

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Because single cases have been found pretty much every election, it would be disingenuous to say there's none.

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Originally Posted by CoccoBill

Because single cases have been found pretty much every election,

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How many "single cases" does it take before it's "widespread"?

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Originally Posted by Mr.Banana

How many "single cases" does it take before it's "widespread"?

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Good question. We're talking about a national election, this time with around 140 million turnout. 1000 cases would be 0.0007%, but that likely wouldn't swing anything in even the most contested states. Probably in the thousands or tens of thousands at least, in multiple states.

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Originally Posted by CoccoBill

Good question. We're talking about a national election, this time with around 140 million turnout. 1000 cases would be 0.0007%, but that likely wouldn't swing anything in even the most contested states. Probably in the thousands or tens of thousands at least, in multiple states.

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So how many rigged votes can you fit in a suitcase? I put it at about 500. So you'd only need 25 suitcases in GA, 40 in MI, and 160 in PA to rig the election. That of course assumes you know the real outcome in advance so you know exactly how many suitcase-fulls of rigged votes to take to rig each state, but you can always take 200 in each state just to be safe.

Then there's the slight problem of making sure no-one sees you walking into a polling station with trolleys of suitcases and be suspicious enough to take a picture, or for a R observer to catch you unloading them onto a table, and yeah I think it's definitely plausible enough for Fox News to report as fact.

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Originally Posted by CoccoBill

Good question. We're talking about a national election, this time with around 140 million turnout. 1000 cases would be 0.0007%, but that likely wouldn't swing anything in even the most contested states. Probably in the thousands or tens of thousands at least, in multiple states.

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Are we talking about a national election? Why?

Why aren't we talking about a city council election in Davenport, Iowa? Or a Sheriff's race in some desolate desert county in New Mexico?

The same rules apply to those elections as the national one.

It's not like you go vote and your ballot is just an index card where you check Trump or Biden. These things are usually 2-3 pages long and most people are asked to vote in anywhere between 5 and 20 elections at a time.

So why are you isolating the question to a "national election" only?


You're just about to make my point though. Keep going. Why do they insist on shoe-horning the word "widespread" whenever they say "There is no evidence of widespread voter fraud"

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Originally Posted by Poopadoop

So how many rigged votes can you fit in a suitcase? .

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I didn't even read the rest of your post. Just go get the facts man. They have the video tape. They have the vote counting machines. They can match up the times and find out how many votes were in those suitcases. The answer is 18,000

Trump lost Georgia by just under 12,000 votes.

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Originally Posted by Mr.Banana

Are we talking about a national election? Why?

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Another good question. Apparently someone here had issues with them.

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Originally Posted by Mr.Banana

Why aren't we talking about a city council election in Davenport, Iowa? Or a Sheriff's race in some desolate desert county in New Mexico?

The same rules apply to those elections as the national one.

It's not like you go vote and your ballot is just an index card where you check Trump or Biden. These things are usually 2-3 pages long and most people are asked to vote in anywhere between 5 and 20 elections at a time.

So why are you isolating the question to a "national election" only?


You're just about to make my point though. Keep going. Why do they insist on shoe-horning the word "widespread" whenever they say "There is no evidence of widespread voter fraud"

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You can talk about whatever you want mate, within the mods' banhammer discretion.

If we say voter fraud exists, but it's not "widespread", is that enough?

The heritage foundation has a list of thousands of individual instances of voter fraud. And with every single one of them you could say "well that can't affect the presidential election". Well....then why have thousands of people done it?? Why would anyone risk criminal prosecution and prison time just to fake-vote?

Because it works.

You can take a busload of people from one polling place to another and elect yourself a sherrif, a city councilor, a tax collector, a state representative, a judge, or any number of powerful political positions on a local level.

So if the entry levels of government are corrupt, then how can you have a functional bureaucracy that serves the people?

If the good guys can't get it in......then who is getting in?

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Originally Posted by Mr.Banana

The heritage foundation has a list of thousands of individual instances of voter fraud.

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Actually it's 15:
https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud/...fraud_type=All

I think he meant since the early 80s, in any elections.

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Originally Posted by oskar

Actually it's 15:

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No

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The Heritage Foundation’s Election Fraud Database presents a sampling of recent proven instances of election fraud from across the country. Each and every one of the cases in this database represents an instance in which a public official, usually a prosecutor, thought it serious enough to act upon it. And each and every one ended in a finding that the individual had engaged in wrongdoing in connection with an election hoping to affect its outcome — or that the results of an election were sufficiently in question and had to be overturned. This database is not an exhaustive or comprehensive list. This database is intended to demonstrate the vulnerabilities in the election system and the many ways in which fraud is committed.

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1,308 - Proven instances of voter fraud
1,129 - Criminal convictions
48 - Civil penalties
95 - Diversion program
19 - Judicial finding
17 - Official finding

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Originally Posted by CoccoBill

You can talk about whatever you want mate, within mojo's banhammer discretion.

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FYP

I mean boost literally called me an idiot, and I didn't even consider banning him, or censoring him in any way. As far as I'm concerned, banana can say what the fuck he likes, just like the rest of you guys. I'd obviously ban him if he started posting kiddie porn, or posting obviously libellous shit, there's ways to get me to act. I mean I did ban him once before, but that was after mojo had done so several times and he kept coming back and being a dick, so I took that stress away from mojo. I'll always support mojo when it comes to such matters because I know he's a reasonable guy, he doesn't ban people for fun like jyms did.

banana isn't being a dick, so I doubt mojo will have an issue with his reappearance. I certainly don't.

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Originally Posted by CoccoBill

I think he meant since the early 80s, in any elections.

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I thought we were talking about 2020.

I guess the good news is that there was 30 times less voter fraud in 2020 than the average over the last 40 years!

poop has also insulted me many times, I've never considered banning him either. To do so would be a massive dick move on my part.

I did delete a thread poop started, and have considered deleting the Brexit thread, but frankly I think it's more fun to just let him cry about Brexit on his own while nobody else replies in that thread. I'm done with it.

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Originally Posted by OngBonga

poop has also insulted me many times, I've never considered banning him either. To do so would be a massive dick move on my part.

I did delete a thread poop started, and have considered deleting the Brexit thread, but frankly I think it's more fun to just let him cry about Brexit on his own while nobody else replies in that thread. I've given up trying to defend it, 'cause even I can see it's got no upside now.

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fyp

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Originally Posted by Mr.Banana

I didn't even read the rest of your post. Just go get the facts man. They have the video tape. They have the vote counting machines. They can match up the times and find out how many votes were in those suitcases. The answer is 18,000

Trump lost Georgia by just under 12,000 votes.

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So ~360 suitcases. Yeah, seems legit.

Link us the "video tape" there Rudy. Or, link us to the court case that they presented the video in. Othewise, it's just a story you heard on right-wing media that you're expecting us to naively accept as fact.

OMG please tell me this is the tape that Fox sent by courier that the courier lost and Fox never made a backup of.

yeah, ok, you win. It's all a giant right-wing conspiracy that happens to be supported by 1/4 of congress.

But let's go with "Hannity pulled it out of his ass". That's productive.

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yeah, ok, you win. It's all a giant right-wing conspiracy that happens to be supported by 1/4 of congress.

But let's go with "Hannity pulled it out of his ass". That's productive.

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Where's the videotape now, Sherlock?

And b) what court reviewed it and what did they say about it? Or was it lost on the way to court or Trump's lawyer's dog ate it or what?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJ0xDWhWUxk

No one has explained this. They just say "it's normal" and they're challenging YOU to prove that it's not normal.

See, it's not against the law to make up lies on TV news. It should be, but it isn't.

But it IS against the law to make up lies in court. That's the cool thing about court, you can't just talk shit and expect to win the case (seems your ex-wife learned that lesson but not you).

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJ0xDWhWUxk

No one has explained this. They just say "it's normal" and they're challenging YOU to prove that it's not normal.

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When was this presented in court, and in which court? How do we even know this is actual tape from a polling station in GA in 2020? Where's the proof these ballots were made up and don't represent real voters? When they did the two recounts, why didn't they find these "fake" ballots? Where is the video of the people bringing in these suitcases full of fake ballots before the election started? Where? How? When?

Where were the R observers when all this was going on? Were they forced out of the room at gunpoint?

These are the kinds of questions a 10c lawyer would ask. And you have to be able to answer them. You can't go into court with a video, narrate it any old way you like, and expect a judge to say "Hey this shyster tells a cool story bro - I'mma overturn the national election!"

It's certainly ok to make up lies in a forum, which is what you're doing.

It's not TV news. It says right in the description of the video. This is before a senate judiciary committee.

Lying to congress is as much a crime as lying in court.

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It's certainly ok to make up lies in a forum, which is what you're doing.

It's not TV news. It says right in the description of the video. This is before a senate judiciary committee.

Lying to congress is as much a crime as lying in court.

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Haha, like the R senate was going to convict someone of lying in support of Trump.

Still interested to hear what the courts had to say about this tape. Maybe the fake news lied about that too. Please, inform and educate us.

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How do we even know this is actual tape from a polling station in GA in 2020? Where's the proof these ballots were made up and don't represent real voters? When they did the two recounts, why didn't they find these "fake" ballots? Where is the video of the people bringing in these suitcases full of fake ballots before the election started? Where? How? When?

Where were the R observers when all this was going on? Were they forced out of the room at gunpoint?

These are the kinds of questions a 10c lawyer would ask.

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Right. So why don't those questions have answers still??

It's all just "nothing to see here" and anyone who puts anything online that disputes that is banned.

There's really no point in discussing this further. You've made my point for me. There are questions that should be asked, are being asked, but aren't getting answered.

Now you know why people are pissed off enough to put their grubby feet up on Nancy Pelosi's desk.

Well I just asked a whole lot of questions that you didn't answer, so lol to you sir.

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No one has answered them. or if they did, they got banned from twitter before anyone saw it.

That's the point.

So this critical videotape that was the lynchpin of Trumo's case never found its way into a real coutroom then? 'Cause I didn't know twitter had that kind of power.

Help me out here... Why isn't the Georgie Suitcase Massacre part of the thousands I'm sorry, 15 documented cases of voter fraud documented by the Heritage Foundation?

Damn those pedo aliens censoring free speech again.

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No one has answered them. or if they did, they got banned from twitter before anyone saw it.

That's the point.

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Holy shit!
It's all coming together now!

It's like watching an episode of Tucker Carlson Investigates but on a poker forum.

The point is, you're a complete fool if you can say with 100% certainty that you're sure the election outcome is correct. There's too much weirdness for anyone to say, for certain, that it's all baloney.

That's not supposed to happen.

We're supposed to have confidence in the elections.

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"Shut up" they explained...

"You haven't actually reported any evidence that managed to hold up in court," they explained.

That's the beauty of conspiracy theories, lack of evidence just means the conspiracy goes deeper and wider than thought.

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lmao

I love how many R governors and judges are in on it too.

I mean that's one hell of a good disguise, pretend to be Republican your whole life then when an election gets stolen take off your mask and show those true colours.

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banana isn't being a dick, so I doubt mojo will have an issue with his reappearance. I certainly don't.

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So far, so good.

He's on my watch list for prior events, but I believe in personal growth, and I believe in forgiveness of past transgressions when growth has moved someone past the point of making the same mistakes.

So long as he's attacking ideas and not people, he's a welcome addition to FTR.


Though, not gonna lie, and he'll probably love this... I think seeing him posting in this forum did trigger a migraine from me this morning, so that sucks. I have been struggling with some insomnia the past couple nights that set me up for it, and the stress of anticipating another shitstorm on FTR sent me over the edge.


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Boost throwing one "ong's an idiot" out there over many years of participation in this forum is not pinging me.
Boost has earned a wealth of leeway and benefit-of-the-doubt from me. As has everyone regularly posting on FTR. I'm not hard to win over, really. Just treat other humans with respect and I'll look past the occasional loss of restraint.

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I love how many R governors and judges are in on it too.

I mean that's one hell of a good disguise, pretend to be Republican your whole life then when an election gets stolen take off your mask and show those true colours.

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The ultimate 3d chess move by democrats would be to agree and say: we see so much fraud at the local level that we must disentangle federal elections from the state level and move to a popular vote system.

^^ to Mojo: There's also the fact that Ong seems to like him (possibly because he makes Ong seem reasonable by comparison).

ong dislikes authority flexing just because it can. Ong believes that personal freedom to express your thoughts in words should not be restrained at all when it comes to adults choosing to engage in it.

Just because there's a ban power, doesn't mean that ong agrees that a ban is something that we should really use. Certainly not as a first resort, and never out of some sense of "white knighting" unnamed people who may or may not stumble across this little corner of lost internet past.

Whereas, I have a sense of duty to this public space and curating this space to be inviting to new people does mean something to me.

Where ong and I disagree is in that. I'm not protecting anyone in particular. No one has complained to me that banana has pushed them away from FTR. We're all adults here, and we participate voluntarily. No one needs to protect us from each other - no one should be banned for anything, here.

I do agree with him on that.
But I can't let go of what feels like a sense of duty to just keep things civil in this semi-public space.


OMG trying to be thoughtful while thinking through a migraine is about impossible. Sorry if that's a bit obtuse.
I need to take a break from the computer for a bit until the Ibuprofen kicks in.

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Not at all. I can argue until I'm blue in the face. I'm just bored of Brexit now, there's nothing further to discuss for at least a year or two.

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^^ to Mojo: There's also the fact that Ong seems to like him (possibly because he makes Ong seem reasonable by comparison).

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I like you too poop, mark your calendar. But since you made this comment, I will say I think the guy is funny and intelligent. Yes he can be a class A dick, but he has qualities to make up for it. It's also refreshing to see someone else butting heads with you guys, especially someone more clued up on American politics than I'll ever be.

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ong dislikes authority flexing just because it can. Ong believes that personal freedom to express your thoughts in words should not be restrained at all when it comes to adults choosing to engage in it.

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A very astute observation. I have a lot of contempt for authority. I recognise that people can't be trusted enough to live without authority, but deep down I despise the idea of "senior" people having power over others. That's the anarchist in me. Self rule.

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I like you too poop, mark your calendar. But since you made this comment, I will say I think the guy is funny and intelligent. Yes he can be a class A dick, but he has qualities to make up for it. It's also refreshing to see someone else butting heads with you guys, especially someone more clued up on American politics than I'll ever be.

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I'm blushing.

I'm actually a bit surprised the NY Bar Ass. thought they needed a bylaw that forbids its members to "take part in encouraging the overthrow of the US gov't." That seems kinda like having a bylaw that says you shouldn't murder your client.

https://twitter.com/i/events/1348712917663846400

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I'm actually a bit surprised the NY Bar Ass. thought they needed a bylaw that forbids its members to "take part in encouraging the overthrow of the US gov't." That seems kinda like having a bylaw that says you shouldn't murder your client.

https://twitter.com/i/events/1348712917663846400

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Sounds legally tenuous to me. He didn't encourage the overthrow of the US govt. Biden isn't the President yet, his party are not the government. It's basically the same argument as using the word "coup", which is fine in casual conversation (largely because nobody knows what the correct term is), but law is not casual with its language.

Rudy did not encourage a coup. To suggest he did is to fail to understand what a "coup" is.

He should be disbarred for having Macho Man playing while he enters a rally.