That said, I don't think a shrink is better placed to stop school shootings than a specially trained armed teacher.
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That said, I don't think a shrink is better placed to stop school shootings than a specially trained armed teacher.
Actually I would quite like to see it happen. It hasn't for a very long time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Poopadoop
False. This really isn't debatable. I mean, sure you can have your opinion. But do know that it's objectively wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
Explain how that's possible without magicQuote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
How do u know? Fwiw, "they just don't" and "it just is" are often clear signs of cognitive dissonance.Quote:
Originally Posted by BananaStand
Do you think psychologists are treating the disease, or symptons?Quote:
Originally Posted by CoccoBill
it's a bigger question that often gets ignored. If you stop people from either a) wanting to go on a shooting spree; or b) having the means to go on a shooting spree; that's a lot more effective than just saying 'let's have someone in the school who can be just as dangerous as the person we're letting exist outside of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by CoccoBill
Um... read it again. Slowly.Quote:
Originally Posted by BananaStand
Completely missed that elections thread bit then i take it.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
Both. Which one are armed teachers treating?Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
The thoughts that drive mass-murder are anger at the world. Anger at "being" itself. It's a position of hopelessness that the thinker believes can only be remedied through the introduction of huge amounts of chaos.Quote:
Originally Posted by CoccoBill
That kind of thinking is completely incompatible with a desire to improve one's own life through improving their perceptions and interactions with the world.
A person obsessively and purposefully driven towards chaos can't also be seeking order.
What, the one where you argue a swing in favour of a pro-gun dem is indicative of Trump losing popularity? I only glanced through and he looked like he was making more sense to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Poopadoop
The disease.Quote:
Originally Posted by CoccoBill
Reminds me of a certain orange person I keep hearing about in the news.Quote:
Originally Posted by BananaStand
Presumably that way of thinking isn't ingrained, otherwise it would afflict six year olds too and they would go on killing rampages. If the development of that way of thinking could be arrested or channeled in some more positive direction, then prevention seems possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by BananaStand
Reductio ad bananum.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
Try reading the whole thing.
I really cannot be bothered. My interest in that is zero.Quote:
Originally Posted by Poopadoop
Well, we can debate this. But assume for a minute I'll stipulateQuote:
Originally Posted by Poopadoop
The kind of evaluations, identifications, and classifications that go into this would be so invasive that I would rather live in a world with mass-shootings.
Like...we could end rape if we just castrated all the men. I'd rather people get raped.
But you're fine with reaching a conclusion about who won the argument. Well played.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
Well it's great your clairvoyance extends to mass-murderers too. Unfortunately it isn't as black and white as in your world. There are a multitude of reasons and motivations behind them, but there's nothing to suggest that they're not detectable, preventable and treatable. They're not caused by physical deficiencies, traits or conditions. I'm not talking about medication, that's the aspect of psychiatry where I agree with you, diagnoses and prescriptions are handed out way too easily. Then again therapy, counseling and other preventive measures definitely have their place and should be used more.Quote:
Originally Posted by BananaStand
Hint: Shootings are the symptom.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
These remedies can only be used on someone who doesn't want them through force. Using these methods through force has been proven ineffective.Quote:
Originally Posted by CoccoBill
what are you not getting?
Again, making the assumption the person is born that way and never wanted help before they became a psychopath. Maybe had they received help in time, they wouldn't have ended up with the mindset that mass murder is a better option than seeking help.Quote:
Originally Posted by BananaStand
Your lack of understanding. Do you think mass-murderers are born that way, that all we can do about them is shoot first?Quote:
Originally Posted by BananaStand
And you think the government stands a chance at accomplishing this???Quote:
Originally Posted by Poopadoop
I think they stand a better chance if they try than if they don't try, yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by BananaStand
I think a lot of what goes into not wanting help is the notion that 'no-one cares about me' or 'no-one is on my side', leading to the conclusion of 'fuck society, it won't help me'. I don't think these people go around thinking 'i'm fine with the idea of wanting to kill everyone'. it's more like 'i'm fucked in the head but no-one cares.'
So, if someone gets to them before they reach that point, and convinces them that someone does care and wants to help them, I think it could save a lot of heartache later on.
I'd bet 80% per cent of teen suicides could be prevented if the person had someone to talk to who wanted to listen. School shootings are a form of suicide.
Fine. What exactly could be done that's not already being done? How do you identify who needs help? How do you identify who needs enough help that it will stop a shooting? How do you measure success? How do you keep this program(s) from being abused? How do you protect people's rights?Quote:
Originally Posted by Poopadoop
I posted a link a couple weeks ago of a NY Times opinion piece written by an accomplished psychologist who ADMITTED that she had no reason to incarcerate (not the clinical term I know, but it's apt) a person but did so anyway merely because she wanted to avoid any potential fault if she was wrong. AND she also admitted that she would be personally gratified if this innocent person were not allowed to buy a gun.
Funny enough, that injustice wasn't the point of her paper. It was just an innocuous detail that doesn't seem to be getting much play in the liberal media.
What you're advocating is a slippery slope, and not even a very long one, toward government oppression.
How would gun control stop this?Quote:
Originally Posted by CoccoBill
How would teachers having guns increase this?
I don't know, maybe you should ask someone who thinks that.Quote:
Originally Posted by BananaStand
I don't know, maybe you should ask someone who thinks that.Quote:
Originally Posted by BananaStand
so then you agree that gun control won't help, and arming teachers won't not help.Quote:
Originally Posted by CoccoBill
now we're getting somewhere.
That's so sweet. I think I'm getting a cavity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Poopadoop
How would you suggest we make that into policy without being invasive or violating rights, and also having the policy be measurably effective?
Don't know I'm not an expert in the area. It just strikes me as a better use of resources to try to prevent people from becoming mass killers than giving everyone in a public space a gun and training in how to kill potential mass-killers.Quote:
Originally Posted by BananaStand
Let me try to put this in more understandable terms. Gun control good, arming teachers bad. Guns bad, therapy good.Quote:
Originally Posted by BananaStand
I'm more pro gun today than I was two days ago. Here's why.
So as you may or may not remember, I just moved from Shittyminster to the beautiful countryside. I am at the top of a massive hill in the middle of nowhere. It's bliss (literally, the nearest village has Bliss in the name).
So anyway, yesterday at around 8pm (it's pitch black), a car pulls up at my gate. He hangs around maybe 30 seconds, and leaves. 5 minutes later, he comes back, turns around at the gate, fucks off again.5 minutes later, returns, and appears to pick someone up. So whoever that was maybe was walking around my land, having a look. I can't imagine what the fuck else was going on. So I get paranoid, start looking at the law to see what I can arm myself with at home.
I can't even have pepper spray. Jesus fucking christ, it's very much illegal for me to boil up some chilli powder and some ethanol in an attempt to defend myself against potentially armed burglars. But I can have a big fuck off kitchen knife, because they can be used for other reasons beyond defending oneself. I've ordered a baseball bat off ebay, that's about as good as it gets for me.
Today, 8pm, car comes back. This time, instead of peering out the window thinking "wtf are they doing" I march to the gate, shine a torch at the car, note the registration plate, and return to my house. I wasn't subtle. They left shortly after, and didn't return (at least not yet).
So I'm left here, on my own, waiting for my baseball bat to arrive, hoping that writing something down on a piece of paper is enough of a deterrant for them to not return.
I want a gun.
There's no such thing as "gun control". It's really 'people control'. It's an important distinction to which the left is totally oblivious.Quote:
Originally Posted by CoccoBill
And therapy only works if the person wants it, and most mass murders don't.
Obviously gun control is shorthand for controlling people's access to guns.Quote:
Originally Posted by BananaStand
It's a bit late for therapy when they already are mass murderers. I'm sure there's plenty of ways to give special attention to high risk groups, identify and monitor behavioral patterns and early warning signs, invest in preventative care and be able to intervene in extreme cases. I don't know how to implement these, that's why they (should) have smarter people making policies. I'm sure all it'd take to see improvement is to invest in these things.
Yeah, it's also a bit late around an hour before they become mass killers, which is why it might not be such a bad idea if they were headed somewhere they can expect to encounter armed personnel.Quote:
It's a bit late for therapy when they already are mass murderers.
As for my visitors, pretty sure they were sniffing around the oil tank. Good luck with that, they'll swallow more than they can steal if they try to syphon that shit. Still, whoever put it where it is needs a fucking slap. It's in plain sight of the lane, it's a super quiet part of the country, it's basically asking for it. Fuck's sake.
It would be nice if everyone who wasn't crazy could be trusted with a gun as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
All the more reason to have one.
Wrong. Get woke.Quote:
Originally Posted by CoccoBill
Or already have the thinking of a mass murder.Quote:
It's a bit late for therapy when they already are mass murderers.
Let me tell you a story. Once upon a time, there was a county in Florida called Broward. And their school kids were angry criminal ass holes. The number of incidents requiring police intervention and arrests was extremely high. Like all crime, poverty was at the root. And that means that minorities were over-represented in the arrest figures. Then someone said "There must be some way we can give special attention to high risk groups (i.e. minorities)"Quote:
I'm sure there's plenty of ways to give special attention to high risk groups
Like any misguided liberal governing body, the degenerate fuckheads in this Florida county thought they could solve problems with legislation and government policy. Enter the PROMISE program. This dumbass misguided garbage enacted new policies requiring schools to NOT call the police when kids commit certain misdemeanor crimes like fighting, pot, bringing a knife to school etc. Instead of calling law enforcement when laws were broken, the schools decided to keep shit in house.
offenders were given all kinds of special attention. Moved to different classes, different schools, whatever. And it worked...ostensibly. Arrest statistics went way down. Number of crimes didn't. But arrests did. So everyone in Broward was happy. And one day this program sucked up the wrong psycho. He was given all kinds of attention. He was moved around. And yet he never felt like he was getting the right kind of attention. He definitely wasn't getting the right kind of attention from the police despite his many clear offenses. And then one day this psycho decided to get attention by murdering 17 people.
And after that happened, the Sheriff of Broward went on TV and said this could have all been prevented if the whole country was banned outright from owning an AR-15.
Now if you're a person with any sense. Your head just exploded.
Medical surveillance?? Ask any doctor you can find if they think that's ethical.Quote:
identify and monitor behavioral patterns and early warning signs
From the government? Preventative care is called parenting. Gov't sucks at that.Quote:
invest in preventative care
This already exists. The problem is that there is invasive and unconstitutional intervention in non-extreme cases. Society can not handle this policy. It's a nice idea. But it's objectively not viable.Quote:
and be able to intervene in extreme cases.
Probably a good thing because they're terrible ideas. And what has been implemented, like the PROMISE program, produced the most catastrophic result.Quote:
I don't know how to implement these,
I'm considering a run in 2032. I figure Trump's gonna do his 8. Then I forsee a president Kanye. After that vote Banana.Quote:
that's why they (should) have smarter people making policies
Invest how? I don't think society can effectively do this right now. Perhaps we're just not evolved enough. The problem here is that society's instinct is like yours. We talk about "identifying high risk groups". So the next question is "which groups?" and "how do we identify them?". Broward tried to answer that. They said "who's getting arrested the most?". The answer was minorities. So they made policies to help favor minorities. And then some psycho white kid fell through the cracks. So we invested. And what was the return on that investment? 17 dead kids.Quote:
I'm sure all it'd take to see improvement is to invest in these things.
Nice investment.
When put into those terms. I'm not sure those are the most productive terms.Quote:
Originally Posted by CoccoBill
I'm still trying to figure out the best course of action to when a response to what I have said assumes I said something different than what I said and applies absurdity to what I said.Quote:
Originally Posted by Poopadoop
I probably should have used the high ground maneuver.
I'm sure there's a not insignificant chance that armed teachers may act as a deterrent. I'm also sure there's a not insignificant chance there would be more accidents and additional casualties. I'm not sure armed teachers would improve the situation overall.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
Ok. Right. "The left" think gun control means telling guns to behave.Quote:
Originally Posted by BananaStand
Cool story bro. You give me one anecdote where in Florida some stupid ass backwards program was tried, and it failed. What exactly were you trying to prove?Quote:
Originally Posted by BananaStand
I don't know what you mean by medical surveillance. I meant surveying how pupils act. There's plenty of teachers, counselors etc staff in schools, kids have medical exams, I'm sure there's already plenty of ways to find behavioral patterns that are high risk, other than just violent behavior. In many cases of school shootings there had been clear warning signs, they just hadn't been acted upon.Quote:
Originally Posted by BananaStand
As long as the govt is providing the education, they also have a very central role in that. Something could be done about parenting too. Such as disincentivizing making a billion kids in poor and troubled households, or in general requiring people to pass some basic tests to be able to make kids or vote.Quote:
Originally Posted by BananaStand
I wouldn't consider forced interventions in countries with less than one shooting a week.Quote:
Originally Posted by BananaStand
None of them are terrible ideas.Quote:
Originally Posted by BananaStand
Like with anything in life, give it a half-assed shot and if that fails, fuck it.Quote:
Originally Posted by BananaStand
Mental healthcare isn't exactly magic. People don't usually go from no signs of a personality disorder to mass murder. A good sign to give as an example would someone literally saying "I'm going to murder a lot of people," and you take that as an incentive to take him aside and talk to him. The most recent school shooter has done exactly that.
It's also worth thinking about why this is such a localized phenomenon. Why is this happening primarily in the US and could it possibly have something to do with the accessibility of firearms and a lack of mental healthcare? Whatever the root cause is, arming teachers is the most retarded suggestion I have ever heard. There are at least two publicized instances of negligent discharges of a firearm in a classroom in the US and teachers are not currently carrying weapons. How do you prevent more of that happening when you increase the number of firearms in classrooms by a couple thousand percent?
I took a quick at UK gun laws. Rough times, Ong. Have you seen Home Alone?
Haha I had my mate over yesterday, and we were talking about this! Rather than people appearing to have a party, I'm gonna have someone appear to be waving a knife at one window, a shotgun at another, and my stereo will be constantly playing Ride of the Valkyries by Wagner.Quote:
Originally Posted by oskar
Honestly though, psychology is a good weapon. They were clearly up to no good, and if someone alone approaches you with a torch, shines it at your car, notes the reg, then casually walks back into the house, you're sitting there thinking "this guy isn't even intimidated". As far as they're aware, I could have a shotgun. That will deter most people. Once they've been seen, it's very unappealing to be robbing off people like farmers. They don't know I'm nothing to do with the farm next door.
But I still want to be armed a little more than a baseball bat. I might be able to apply for a shotgun license, but I have suffered from depression in the past, that's on record, so I might not be allowed. Plus, it's not like I can have one by the weekend.
Assuming that guy was really scouting you out and not getting cucked by his satnav... the reason he's scouting out houses is to find out when you're not home. So even if you're lucky enough to catch him red handed, and you can actually get to your gun, and it's the 0,1% of that case where that guy wasn't just going to run either way... You still live in the UK, so you're still fucked. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Martin_(farmer)
Just say 'reductio ad bananum' and move on.Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
Tony Martin shot two burglars in the back as they were leaving. He should've shot them when they were coming in.
Day one, they were scouting. They woukd've seen I was in. Day two they show up at the same time. It seems to me they didn't think they were seen day one, so thought they could get away with it day two.
They could be burglars. They could also be locals who knew the house was unoccupied and aren't yet aware someone has moved in. There's lots of valuable stuff in empty houses... boilers, copper pipes, all sorts. But they came back when I was in... I really do think they were looking at the oil tank. It's a problem in rural England, and its visible from the lane. If that's what they were doing, they won't be back because they know I have their reg.
I slept ok last night.
I don't believe Ong ever leaves his house, does he?Quote:
Originally Posted by oskar
Also, I think Ong should move to the U.S. if he wants to kill intruders legally. Much easier to do it there.
Of course I leave the house, I have a job now. I'm working from home the rest of this week though, just because I don't want visitors while I'm out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Poopadoop
And by "working from home" I mean drinking tea and smoking spliffs while still only wearing underwear, faffing about on ebay.
Are you getting paid to "work from home"? If so, thumbs up.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
Yup.
Also Florida is nice and warm year round, and as far as I know has a law where if someone comes into your home uninvited you can kill them no questions asked. Seems perfect for you.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43164634
fucking luuuuuuuuul
Yeah because a security guard, let alone a teacher will risk their live to execute a student that's going allahu akhbar in the cafeteria.
How is that funny? How does that even support anyone's political position? How does that reflect badly on anyone other than that "guard"?
But that's pretty much his job isn't it? I'm pretty sure it asks on the application form 'are you willing to risk your life to execute a student that's going allah akbar in the cafeteria?'Quote:
Originally Posted by oskar
I mean he's there to protect kids. Guy seems like kind of a pussy to me.
Is weed legal in Florida?Quote:
Originally Posted by Poopadoop
It is!
edit: complicated
I thought it was.
What a shame.
Dunno. But I'm sure you can find a state that ticks that box and the shoot first box too.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
Also, I'd be more inclined to say a teacher will be MORE likely to put his life on the line for the benefit of children.
Something to do with what compelled him to be a teacher in the first place.
If an armed guard who does fuck all year round, and who's only job is to take a bullet in the belly in that type of situation... if that guy just fucks off during a school shooting, good luck having armed teachers do anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
Being around a bunch of teenagers all day long would make me doubt that.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
eh, I think some of them would. I mean DJT would go in there with no gun and tackle the guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by oskar
Even if it was effective, it's the equivalent problem solving to buying a fire retardent suit if your kitchen is on fire. Or taking scuba lessons when your basement is flooded, and then rambling on about how the plumber union is not going to run your life.
I think you missed the point about "something about what compelled them to be teachers in the first place".Quote:
Originally Posted by oskar
You might get the odd teacher who agrees to have a gun and then bottles it when shit hits the fan. Just like you get the odd security guard who shits his pants. I think most of us here would do more than he did, let alone a teacher.
You mean the desire to risk their lives for other people's kids? Don't think that's what motivates many teachers.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
Meh, handgun vs. AR-15, I wouldn't really like my odds. Of course if it was my job I might feel obligated to run in there and probably die, but mostly to avoid the shame of being a huge pussy, not 'cause I love kids.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
Pretty sure that guy had his fair share of heroic fantasies. But there's a divide in the person you think you are when you're looking at yourself in the mirror wearing your favorite holster and the person you are when you hear a faint popping sound followed by screams of terror over in the next building.
What would be more productive? If shootings are the disease, what are the symptoms?Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
Does anyone really think that guard represents the average person?
Oskar is right in that you don't know who you really are until you're put in that situation. I'd like to think I'd do more, and would be ashamed of myself (perhaps suicidal) if I didn't. But that suicidal caveat... there's my motivation to act.
We're talking about one coward here. Noone has yet pulled up another guard who did fuck all. We have one coward guard, and one dumbass teacher who accidentally shot a kid. Stacked up against the number of dead kids we have thanks to maniacs, it's not close is it?
I'd say guards (the garden variety supermarket kind) represent those with power-trippy personality disorders who couldn't get into police academy, and students wanting some extra cash on night shifts. So no, not the average person.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
Are you guys really just hearing about this now? This has been in the news prominently since about 5 minutes after the shooting.
Part of the problem is that the guy was a coward. There's not much you can do about that. I mean, there are probably psych tests that cops have to take and from that they can figure out who's a pussy and who's a stud. Then give the pussies the really easy low risk jobs.....like guarding a school where nothing happens 99.9999999% of the time.
Another part of the problem is training. It's not clear how well trained this officer was to deal with this particular situation. That is surprising and sad. One of the beneficial side-effects of school shootings, is that law enforcement has been able to develop advanced techniques for this exact situation. Now there is widespread literature on effective methods to confront shooters. If that training was not implemented, then this coward cop deserves decidedly less than full blame.
Even if the training was implemented at some point, it's clear that it was not well reinforced. One of the details that's swirled around this story is the lack of drills, practice, and refreshed training. There's a reason we put soldiers through hell all day every day even in peace time. It's so that when the war starts....they'll be able to call upon their training, and suppress instincts of fear and doubt. In crisis, your mind goes to what's rehearsed, familiar, and comfortable.
Didn't the first three cops from that county show up and hide behind cars too? Or is that some liberal progapanda.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
Also, think there was another dumbass teacher a couple weeks ago who accidentally discharged their firearm but with no injuries.
So up the first number from 1 to 4 and the second from 1 to 2.
All that training costs money. If the US wasn't so concerned with spending such a large chunk of its GDP on keeping its military trained and armed to the teeth to face imaginary threats like being invaded by Canada, maybe they would have more to spend on mental health and ways to prevent their own people from going on killing sprees on a regular basis.Quote:
Originally Posted by BananaStand
This suggests lack of training. The probability that 4 out of 4 cops are pants-wetting pussies is really low. Especially when they are standing near 3 of their peers. Soldiers in war don't act that way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Poopadoop
It's clear that these cops had no fucking clue what to do, and that's a humonguous driver of the problem.
http://video.foxnews.com/v/575243592...#sp=show-clips
This sounds like something you heard in a humanities class where the professor holds class outside, barefoot, with a guitar, wearing a poncho that smells like Ong's pot drawer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Poopadoop
It costs exactly the same amount of money for that cop to rehearse and active-shooter drill, as it does to pay him to ride a golf cart around campus and jerk off in the bushes.
It's not a money problem. And if it is a money problem....what do you think this cost...
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DW-WhpsUQAA7B8j.jpg
My knowledge about the Florida shooting was that there was a school shooting in Florida up to a couple of hours ago. Not the type of news I typically follow up on.
Anyway... so what's the solution then? Deploy highly trained gunmen in every school? Who's going to pay for that? Take it out of the wall fund?
Anecdotally I have different data.Quote:
Originally Posted by BananaStand
It's really not hard. Go watch the video I posted. The data suggests that confronting the gunman almost immediately results in the stoppage of killing. Either the gunman is overtaken by a more trained, more skilled, more courageous interloper....or once confronted, the shooter figures the jig is up and kills himself.Quote:
Originally Posted by oskar
You an Poop keep talking about money. But that's not even a problem. The money is already being spent just putting the cop on duty. He's already there....being paid. Is it really a hectic and time-consuming job to patrol a school? are you really telling me he can't spend some of his time reviewing training procedures, conducting drills, and attending training classes (which are ALREADY available!!).
The incremental cost of giving this particular cop better training would have been exactly $0.
Why is money a concern?
No, it's much more expensive, and yes, it's a money problem. But not only that, it's not a problem that should exist because other countries do not have that problem. There's no debate on whether or not there should be armed guards in schools of other developed countries because there's no other country where students are the target of shootings like that. If it were, you'd have a point, but it's not and there are ways to deal with this issue directly that are not fucking retarded.Quote:
Originally Posted by BananaStand
Please, just for yourself, detail the specific steps that have to be taken for a cop to receive additional training for that type of situation and figure out a way how the cost could possibly be zero.Quote:
Originally Posted by BananaStand
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Originally Posted by oskar
It doesn't matter because money gets wasted in lots of ways and so arguing about spending that money on prevention makes you a liberal hippy stoner.
It's simple. Instead of sitting in his office watching youtube rips of Mall Cop, he is forced to watch a war hero movie where the guy throws himself on a grenade.Quote:
Originally Posted by oskar
Fuck me, we can almost call this a sample.Quote:
Originally Posted by Poopadoop
Well, the cops are being paid for their time anyway. They can spend their day pacing around campus killing time until their next coffee break. Or they could use that time working on being better cops. It costs the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by oskar
Any number, minus itself, equals zero.
Your link doesn't work for me, but here's some highly trained donut destroyers at work:
https://youtu.be/qJFHPgxYpAQ?t=1m3s
Not sure how deploying that fucking Three Stooges ensemble in schools around the country is going to decrease gun deaths.
WHO TRAINS THEM?Quote:
Originally Posted by BananaStand
Who works while they're being trained?
Who pays for the facility they're being trained at?
By your logic, we could put every citizen in a task force, pay them a cops wages, perpetually train them, and there you go: costs nothing, pays wages, pays taxes... economy saved!
All of which points to the obvious fact that trying to quantify the issue in terms of number of idiots and cowards per capita is not useful.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
Who trains them to be cops in the first place?Quote:
Originally Posted by oskar
It's like any other profession that requires continuing education. Cops get specialized training all the time. If your city is having a heroin crisis, your cops will be trained to recognize heroin addicts, how to deal with them, how to identify the drug, etc etc etc. This is all built into the budget in the first place.
Who works when they take a sick day?? This is already built into the budget. Cops don't just graduate from the academy and then venture out into the world unassissted. New techniques of law enforcement are being developed all the time. They are rolled out through targeted training programs all the time. This is already happening. It's already paid for. It's already built into the budget.Quote:
Who works while they're being trained?
Again...sunk cost.Quote:
Who pays for the facility they're being trained at?
Great. Solved the economy! Wanna do free energy next?
are you high right now?Quote:
Originally Posted by oskar
The problem is literally as simple as demanding better performance from cops. They can spend their time being lazy fuck-heads, or they can spend their time getting better at being cops. The time is already paid for.
I think the gist of banana's argument is:
1. The cops are already in the school.
2. They are being trained to do something useless, like how to talk to kids, when they could be trained to do something useful like how to take down an armed maniac.
3. fixing the problem is a matter of changing priorities, it doesn't have to cost more money.
How about all the training of armed teachers then? Do you just take them off teacher conferences and instead put them on SWAT training?
If we're gonna play the "who pays" game.....
http://www.floppingaces.net/wp-conte...l-1280x640.jpg
Well yea that's fucking lol-retarded if true. Is that a real photo or just a screen-grab from Fox News?Quote:
Originally Posted by BananaStand
Not sure what your point is in any case. Someone should make the dept. spend less money on paint jobs for its cars and more on something useful? LDO
So why are people posting these articles in "support" of anti-gun laws?Quote:
Originally Posted by Poopadoop
It's real. The lambo pic is also real, but that was a promotional thing that didn't cost the sheriff department any money. Still a real bad look though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Poopadoop
Yeah, like maybe the guy who's face is panted on the passenger door. But he's too busy ranting on CNN about gun laws because if people didn't have guns....his job would be alot cushier.Quote:
Someone should make the dept. spend less money on paint jobs for its cars and more on something useful?
Why hasn't anybody else thought of this?Quote:
Originally Posted by BananaStand
Demand higher performance! Why of course!