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As a white caucasian european it is my superpower that I cannot be oppressed. Super simple analogy: You got 9 people of ethnicity A in a room, and 1 of ethnicity B. If they both have equal rights to insult, harass or discriminate each other, who's worse of?Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
That's why you need to protect minorities more than the majority to have equality.
Solution - allow the one dude to say what he likes, while telling the other 9 to stfu and take it like a bitch.
That's a generic term for white people and I find it somewhat offensive. I'm not evil just because I'm white. It's a racist term.Quote:
The malaysian girl getting her main income stream erased for jokingly calling someone "white devil" is ridiculous. I hope we can agree on that.
Though as racism goes, it's about as mild as it gets, especially if it was in jest. I don't think she should be banned for saying it, and yeah I'd even go as far as to use the word "ridiculous". But let's not pretend it's ok just because whites are the ones being insulted. If someone "jokingly" drops the n-bomb, there's still outrage.
Can you describe a scenario where you were insulted based on your ethnicity?Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
You receive privileged status in your culture because you are white. Whether or not you asked for it or not is beside the point. You have access to certain services and treatment that other people do not have access to on the basis of their skin color.
No one here is saying they have a right to be racist.
We're saying that for you to pretend that you do not benefit from systems which do not benefit them is you being an ass.
We're saying that while you may not notice these social perks you have access to, they certainly notice they do not have that access.
We're saying that the the legacy of white people oppressing non-white people is still everywhere, and non-white people can't help but see it everywhere they go.
It's not OK for them to blame unnamed white people, but the reality is that the blame falls on unnamed white people, so that puts them in a shitty spot all over again.
They can call me a Honky or White Devil all day long and I don't mind, 'cause at the end of it all, I have access to bank loans that allow me to live in a house I haven't paid for in a neighborhood where no one owns their houses or their cars, but everyone has a house and multiple cars. Which of us is the racist again? The one taking advantage of priveleges they didn't do anything to earn? or the one pointing out how that's BS?
When someone uses the phrase "white devil", or perhaps "honky".Quote:
Originally Posted by oskar
Stopped reading after this sentence.Quote:
Originally Posted by mojo
Again, not about you, the problem is they don't feel equality. Empathy is not an emotion, it's the ability to understand what other people are feeling.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
Oh nice, then I have tons of empathy, as we all do. Everyone has the ability to understand how other people feel. It's just a matter of caring.Quote:
Originally Posted by CoccoBill
They don't feel equality? Who are "they"? All black people? You think they all feel the same?
It would be great if this were true, sadly doesn't seem like it. Based on your comments for example it seems like you're having difficulties understanding the situation of blacks.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
All [any] people never feel exactly the same, I was referring to those blacks and other minorities that have made it pretty clear that they don't feel equal. Why do you think we're discussing these issues? Because Soros brainwashed us to be outraged for no reason?Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
I don't claim to intimately and in full detail understand how a black dentist with a diploma from Somalia feels when he's only able to get employed as a bus driver, after leaving everything behind in his home country and ending up in the cold north, but I can relate that it must be a pretty shitty feeling.
https://twitter.com/Bernstein/status...63643739140096
... when conservatives debate.
“He made sure to tell us he was highly intelligent over and over and over again. "
Has this ever happened to you? No, it hasn't, and if it had and you were offended, I'd have to use one or more homophobic slurs to describe what I think of that.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
Look I'm not saying the left isn't overreacting to language and that there's never a place to use the n-word, but you don't tweet it... you yell it out a passenger side window, or during sex, or if you're having a particularly tasty sandwich.
I understand the situation of individuals. What I don't do is assume one person shares a situation with another just because they are the same race.Quote:
Originally Posted by cocco
Does this mean Barrack Obama is oppressed?Quote:
I don't claim to intimately and in full detail understand how a black dentist with a diploma from Somalia feels when he's only able to get employed as a bus driver, after leaving everything behind in his home country and ending up in the cold north, but I can relate that it must be a pretty shitty feeling.
And would you rather be a dentist in Somalia, or a bus driver in USA? Tell me how this shitty feeling compares to the feeling he had when he decided he had to leave Somalia.
Wait, does than mean if I use a racial slur to insult one black person, other black people don't have the right to be offended?Quote:
Originally Posted by oskar
It feels like we're getting into loltRoLLeDu category. Unless you have an actual example I'll assume you get my point but are too proud to say so.
I've heard that when untouched tribes are confronted with technology that is way beyond their grasp, they tend to ignore it. When a plane passes over, or a ship goes across the horizon, it's as if they can't see it because their brain cannot relate the information to their consciousness. That's most likely horseshit, but that's how I feel about the Kashogi case. Trump says on Saturday that the Saudis are a great ally and now they want to extradite some guy for the turks to kill to appease Erdogan so he won't go after the Saudis for torture killing a US citizen. Is this right? Did I just have a stroke?
Did previous presidents get accused of being muslims from africa that created ISIS?Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
The issue is that with him it's a choice between a dentist in Somalia or a bus driver in USA, and for you and me between a dentist in Somalia or a dentist in USA.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
That's oppression? I think you need to look up what that word means. To be insulted by idiots is not to be oppressed.Quote:
Originally Posted by CoccoBill
I can't walk into America and get job as a dentist, even if I'm a qualified dentist. I would be treated the same as the Somalian. In fact, he'd probably get preferential treatment since I'm British and therefore not coming from a war-torn country.Quote:
Originally Posted by CoccoBill
Maybe an American has a better chance of getting a job as a dentist than a Somalian. I don't see what the problem is there.
So... I'll ask again... would you rather be a dentist in Somalia, or a bus driver in USA? Because I know what I'd rather be, and even if I were a qualified dentist driving a bus in America, I'd still be happy to be a foreigner who is employed. Eventually, I'll become an American citizen, and then maybe I can be a dentist.
It's like you think having a qualification gives you a god given right to a job, regardless of the country you wish to work in.
If America were in need of dentists, if they were inviting people from around the world to apply for vacant dentists jobs, and if white people were getting employed but not black people, then I would accept there is a case for institutional racism.
If a qualified dentist can't get a job in America because America has enough dentists, but he still gets a job as a bus driver, I don't see the problem. If he wants to be a dentist, if he wants to maximise his earnings while using his qualification, choose a better country to go to, ie one that requires qualified dentists.
Maybe he should try the UK. Most of our dentists are foreign.
Here's the thing with Obama... if he was ousted as President on the basis that he was allegedly born in Africa when he wasn't, then you can say he was oppressed.
That didn't happen. What did happen was a black man became President of USA, and served two terms. He is still considered to be a highly influential politician. Obama is not oppressed, not even close. Does he suffer racist abuse? Of course he does, that is sadly inevitable. But unless he is being denied opportunities due to his race, he is not oppressed.
We were talking about privilege, I just ignored you moving the goalposts.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
You're entitled to your opinion, but I disagree. Why would US businesses prefer employment of people from war-torn countries? What would be your thought process as a US HR person recruiting dentists?Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
Huh? Of course I don't. What I said is that when 2 people with identical qualifications are treated differently based on where they're coming from or what they look like, it's a problem. This has zero to do with any kind of entitlement.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
So because Obama and Oprah aren't oppressed, the blacks should all just stfu?Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
My thought process?Quote:
Why would US businesses prefer employment of people from war-torn countries? What would be your thought process as a US HR person recruiting dentists?
- Is the applicant qualified?
- Is the applicant a USA citizen?
- Can the applicant speak English?
- Does he have a criminal record?
I do not care about the answers to the following question...
- What colour is the applicant's skin?
- Where was the applicant born?
- What is the applicant's religion?
- Does the applicant identify as a pansexual potato?
Well yes that's a problem, but for the most part, it's happening inside of your head. And for those who are making decision based on these criteria... the law does not permit such action, so it is not institutional racism, it is the racist policy of an individual company and they are breaking the law.Quote:
What I said is that when 2 people with identical qualifications are treated differently based on where they're coming from or what they look like, it's a problem.
This is what you guys call ad bananium or some shit.Quote:
So because Obama and Oprah aren't oppressed, the blacks should all just stfu?
To expand on this one...Quote:
- Is the applicant a USA citizen?
- If no... does the applicant have a work permit?
I wouldn't want you to think I'm contradicting my claim that I don't care where the applicant was born. All I care about is if the applicant has a lawful right to work in USA, and if he's fit for the job. And that is the criteria of the vast majority of employers across America. I'm not going to believe that a Western nation full of decent people is broadly racist. I know USA has race problems, more so than we have here in the UK, but I also truly believe that most Americans are decent people.
It's an invasion! Deploy the troops!
My political stunt at the expense of our men and women in uniform didn't work? Send them home. The migrants haven't made it there yet? Whatever, fuckit, just send them home...
Sorta off topic, but since I heard Trump is anti-vaccine Imma going with it.
https://www.usnews.com/news/health-c...in-two-decades
Is there bad press for the chicken pox vac too? Is it being blamed for autism? Or are people just being hysterical to the point where they won't get their kids vaccinated for anything?
America First!
The world is a dangerous place!
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings...-saudi-arabia/
Wuf, can you stop raking the forest floor for one second and explain this shit?
I am honestly glad I don't have children so I don't have to wrestle with my conscience when it comes to vaccination. It's all very well me sitting here being alarmed and even paranoid about it, but when I have to consider the long-term health of my child, it's a whole different matter.
I'm a strong believer in allowing children's immune system to develop immunisation naturally. I got chicken pox when I was a kid. I had fevers, too. As an adult, I seem to have a strong immune system, despite poor diet and not much exercise. Maybe I'm just lucky, or it's genetic. And I'm sure I had the TB jab when I was a kid, so it's not like my immune system is 100% natural. But idk, I don't really understand why measles, mumps and rubella are huge concerns in this country. They rarely prove fatal, and considering the potential health risks associated with vaccines, I do have to ask if it's worth it. I feel like the kids of today are the guinea pigs for the kids of the future.
God you're a moron, if you don't vaccinate your kids you're a moron and it's really as simple as that.
http://i.imgur.com/Ow84eTe.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
It's not about individuals getting vaccines; it's about vaccinating the population (which obv. requires individuals to get vaccines, but the goal isn't to keep the individual healthy, it's to keep the society healthy.)
It's not about protecting the healthiest, strongest people, whom are unlikely to have permanent damage from the illness; it's about preventing the least healthy and least able to fight the diseases from being permanently harmed or killed.
You getting vaccinated may literally save childrens' lives. It may not. It's complicated, since it's not ultimately about any individual getting vaccinated, but the overall lack of viable vectors within the population.
If we're talking about chicken pox, it's not just about yaya you get it as a kid and feel itchy for a week then you're fine. It's what if you get it as an adult and then you can be in serious trouble.
I never had mumps, for example. It just didn't seem to make the rounds at my school very often. So, if there were a mumps vaccine back in the 70s I would be fine. But now if I get it, it's a concern.
When my parents were kids, polio made the rounds. I don't remember anyone worrying about the polio vaccine when it came out, it was more like 'give me ten please'.
I really don't know what the objections to vaccs are, besides some b.s. about autism, like 'hey my kid's got autism, three years ago they had a small pox vac. let's connect some dots that aren't really there.'
haha, I was in the park today and noticed no-one had raked it. Needless to say, I got out of that fire deathtrap as soon as I could!Quote:
Originally Posted by oskar
He doesn't understand how immune systems work. He thinks vaccines weaken your immune system when in fact they do the exact opposite. In Ongs head vaccines are similar to wrapping your kids in cotton wool and not letting them come into contact with any germs which is bad for their immune systems, especially for things like making them allergic to certain substances.Quote:
Originally Posted by Poopadoop
He thinks kids getting a disease and overcoming it is preferable than being vaccinated against it. So Ong would rather a child got chicken pox over getting vaccinated against it. This is also incorrect as vaccines are much safer, do less damage to the child and there are many fewer risks of complication and all it costs is a little bit of autism.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vyOoy5Y45s
This meme is going to get a serious workout in the next couple of months.
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Also, the only way this could be better is if he wanted her charged for emails, after Ivankagate.
It's been pretty insane the last couple of weeks. The troops got sent home just a couple days after the election, long before the caravan is expected to arrive. Not even trying to make it look like anything but an election stunt. Ivanka using her private email account for white house business, claiming she didn't know you weren't supposed to do that???
The Jim Acosta thing; standing behind the Saudi prince, ignoring the CIA report; trying to extradite a US citizen for turkey to execute as some kind of a blood offering for something, and maybe the dumbest of all: picking a fight with a comedian during all of this:
https://twitter.com/michelleisawolf/...10176863264768
I feel like I've been saying that for two years now. It's like every day or maybe every other day it's been 'omfg I can't believe he did/said that', and then the next day or two later it's something even more appalling. I'm guessing the number of times 'a new low' has been used in the news in reference to Trump must be in the dozens by now.Quote:
Originally Posted by oskar
What's interesting is that my head has actually stopped spinning at this point, as if it's come to accept that crazy is the new normal. I think I'd be more shocked if a week went by when he didn't do something outrageously dumb/bad/illegal. I used to wonder if this is part of that 3D chess thing everyone says he's doing, but then I remember that he's actually just an insane moron and the people saying the 3D chess shit are oxygen-starved, brainwashed fools.
I think that's precisely it. Ong, you know how when you get sick and your system builds antibodies to it and you won't get sick again? That's how vaccines work, except for the getting sick part.Quote:
Originally Posted by Savy
What if it causes autism? Are you happy to just blindly take that risk? For the sake of vaccinating against a (usually) non-lethal disease? Some people would call that moronic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Savy
My comments come from someone who doesn't have kids, who doesn't have to make this decision. If I did have kids, I'd be thinking about this from a completely different angle.
What if weed causes autism?
What if typing on the internet causes autism?
There's just as much evidence for these causes as there is for vaccines causing it. I.e., none.
I mean seriously, some dufus looks at the data and sees that more kids are getting autism, and there's more vacs now, than in the olden days. So they put 2 and 2 together and get 5.
Global warming causes autism.
What if it gives you autism that replaces your current autism and it's less bad autism?
What if autism gives you chicken pox?
Do you think I'd be passing my six y/o kid a joint?Quote:
Originally Posted by CoccoBill
LDO, what's wrong with you? You want your kid to be autistic? No? Better give 'em plenty of weed.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
Everyone knows the single most common cause of autism is weed deficiency.
Don't be a bad dad.
Do the right thing.
Get 'em their vaccs and shotgun 'em your bong rips.
For a healthier tomorrow.
You know your theory sucks when the "let's pay someone to accuse Mueller of sexual assault" guy endorses it.
https://twitter.com/JacobAWohl/statu...02427072094210
Actually Ong I know about the whole thing, which is rare. Look up the original case yourself. It basically exists from some really bad data interpretation from a scientist that has been shown to be complete nonsense a thousand times over. It was shown to be crap at the time and since then no large scale data analysis has shown anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
There is no proposed mechanism for vaccines causing autism. Vaccines in themselves don't all work the exact same way so even it was true for one vaccine (which everything says it isn't) there is nothing to suggest it'd happen for others either.
If the link between autism and vaccines were true then the development of autism just through your kid getting some disease they got over would be as likely. So basically every time you got a cold there would be a ~equal chance of developing autism. I'm also fairly sure that bar brain injuries on some level people don't just develop autism from anything and there hasn't been anything to suggest otherwise. That tiny part I may be wrong on though.
This is kind of the science behind it however it isn't even "more kids" are getting autism it's the fact that autism wasn't a thing and then it was a thing and now it gets diagnosed more. You could draw hundreds of much more damning things from similar data. In fact the fall of people dying of cancer is heavily linked to autism. Wifi is a cause of austism. Rising life expectancy is a cause of autism. Basically pick a thing that increase in the past 50 years and you can say it's a cause of autism to a similar (a lot of the time better) degree of accuracy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Poopadoop
When I was a kid autism was only used to refer to really severe cases. There was no Aspergers or autism spectrum or anything like that. If you were unable to communicate and banged your head against a wall you were autistic, otherwise no. The "rise" of autism is pretty much down to broadening its definition.Quote:
Originally Posted by Savy
Same thing with dyslexia. Back in the day it didn't even exist, then it meant specifically kids who mixed up letters when reading, now we have kids getting diagnosed with it left and right. Basically it's become a nice way of saying 'someone who's not so good with words'.
I'd argue both were probably quite under diagnosed 30 or so years ago. Now rather than being a diagnosis which can be used to help benefit the person being diagnosed it's more used as an excuse as to why things are worse/can't be done.
Dyslexic students at my university can request extended time for their exams, and it's typically 2x as much time.
Funny thing is that we give all 700+ introphys students more than that amount of time for every exam.
It's still not uncommon for a dyslexic student to request still more time.
As if anyone is increasing their score on an exam after sitting in a chair with no food for 5 hours. Whatever points you earn on that test almost certainly came in the first 2 - 3 hours. At some point, you just gotta admit defeat. At some point, it's a cruelty on our part to extend the time.
wait, I can't remember, is Ong a flat earther?
Haha you clearly didn't see my discussions with mojo in the physics thread about gravity.Quote:
Originally Posted by boost
This is so dumb it's making me feel dizzy:
https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/...e_every_slave/
First one was to be expected. Of course one cold day debunks every global warming theory.Quote:
Originally Posted by oskar
Second one is wtf. Is he planning on bringing back steamships? When he said MAGA I didn't realize he meant "...like in 1850."
Also "You gotta be Einstein to work with electromagnetic." Really? I should get a Nobel Prize for knowing how to use my lawnmower I guess.
If he said Maxwell instead of Einstein I'd have been impressed.
oh wow, you've completely missed this meme:Quote:
Originally Posted by Poopadoop
https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-...er-trump-says/
It is a long lasting concern of the POTUS that magnets are too complicated and that steam is preferable for that reason.
"The greatest jobs president ever."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sn-4VB1e-Ec
This is what I don't understand about the American press. Normally, he just lies, the reporters all know he's lying, and they go 'oh, ok' and move on to the next question. Then later they whine about how he keeps lying. Well, if it's a problem for you, why not call him out on it right there like she did?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzefLHZsRW8
Ruh Roh!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZf8wihfCIA
...and the walls are closing in.
Under all of of this, my favorite thing is... you remember when Trump said he didn't listen to the Khashoggi tape because it's "a suffering tape" and there's no need for him to listen to it. Well there's that: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwHe...youtu.be&t=460
I'm feeling surprisingly solemn about what's happening this week. I was really starting to root for Trump 2020 to get that civil war rolling that you fuckers so duly deserve. Looks like that's not going to happen. Other than that I'm not thinking much about US politics. What I am thinking about is one unassuming man doing time for credit card fraud in some federal prison. He doesn't know it yet, but some day in the not too distant future he's going to become the first person to prison rape a former president of the United States. And even though there is no way for him to know that, I imagine that at this very moment, he takes a little break from his mashed potatoes, looks up and smiles.
More looking forward to the trial myself, with live updates from Trump via twitter. "Witnesses totally lying about rigged witch hunt! Say I knew about collusion and even encouraged it. Witch hunt! Also, Ivanka the sexiest witness ever!"
Tbh though, a big part of me just wishes he would fucking die and we'd be done with him.
Where's a crazed nut with a gun when you need one? Oh yeah, they're all his supporters.
Came to the US as a baby. Legal permanent resident. Voted illegally because she claims she wasn't allowed to. -> 8 year prison sentence.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...b0a173c02305c1
I am on the edge of my seat to see how many years the people who destroyed thousands of ballots in NC last month will get.
Spoiler:It's gonna be zero!
This has been the best season so far. That hearing was so fucking funny. "Why does the president come up when I google the word idiot" - "Well ma'am, our algorithm tries to erm match terms with their most appropriate counter part, based on a vast database of..."Quote:
Originally Posted by Poopadoop
He's a fucking idiot! What do you expect, lady?
Another highlight was when the presidents cyber security expert thought his twitter got hacked because he doesn't understand how hyperlinks work.
I can imagine where wuf stands right now because I've been reading T_D, but I really want him to come back for the finale because I'm pretty sure I called all of it... it's too soon to say for sure, but it feels so close.
Don't forget I called the finale as Trump holed up in the WH bunker ordering Pence to put a bullet in his head. And Pence will do it.
Or, could be Trump on trial using Google to prove he's not smart enough to collude.
Or, maybe it'll be that surprise ending (well surprise to everyone but Wuf), where Mueller swoops down on Hillary, Obama, and Comey and puts them all away on Alcatraz and America is saved.
Assuming Trump somehow stays out of prison till 2020, what will the R's do? If they run him, they'll lose badly, and if they replace him they'll lose every single state cause the 33% of the population that thinks he's Jesus will vote D out of spite.
I saw a Joe Rogan clip of him and Anthony Cumia theorizing how Trumps ability to not give a fuck is what gives him the superpower not to get subpoenaed. No you fucks, it's the GOP majority congress. Well guess what we won't have in 2019?
I liked that Nancy Pelosi of all people called the president an insecure manlet on camera. I don't care what TYT says, but that makes Nancy Pelosi alright in my book. I'm slightly disappointed that they bothered to bring a proposal instead of just repeating "why isn't mexico paying for it?" every time Trump brings up the budget.
Mexico is paying for it through the new USMCFT or whatever that trade agreement is called. But then, for some reason Trump still needs another $30b from congress. That's some serious 3D chess going on there!Quote:
Originally Posted by oskar
https://youtu.be/9xqGu66D6VU?t=2866
James Comey makes a good point.
If Trump gets removed by force, 1/3 of americans will believe it was a deep state coup, and these are also the dumbest 1/3 and the most likely to own firearms 1/3. But how do you weight that against the damage 2 more years of Trump would do? Soyboy Clinton tried to destract from his cumstains with a casual act of war. I'm not too keen on seeing the Trump version of that old presidential panic reaction would turn out to be.
Trump at war would be kinda funny if not so tragic. I could see him overruling his generals and ordering some really stupid shit because he thinks the US has invisible planes.
Oh wow, looks like mexico is actually going to pay for the wall...
If you change the meaning of mexico, pay and wall:
https://www.gofundme.com/thetrumpwall
I have no idea how to combat senseless exclusionism.
How do you encourage people to realize that the people coming across the border are literally no different than the people in their own extended family, who are already Americans?
[rant]
Oh no, they commit crimes! We all know Americans never commit crimes, so it's a valid criticism to vilify those crime-doers.
They want jobs! Those assholes want to come into our country and create value! The nerve!
They send money to their families in other countries! The richest Americans send most of their money into off-shore bank accounts with more favorable interest rates and other perks compared to American banks. They have the most incentive to find loopholes in tax laws, and they can afford to pay a specialist to find those loopholes. You think poor people sending money to their families even registers on this scale? C'mon... just c'mon.
Grow some balls and stop being afraid of people just because you haven't met them, yet, or their skin is a slightly different color, or they have less money than you.
Cowards.
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https://edition.cnn.com/2018/12/20/p...doc/index.html
Seems Mad Dog wasn't mad enough to work in the WH any more.
tl;dr
1. We need to keep our allies.
2. We need to push back against China and Russia.
3. I give up.