But there's no sense crying over every mistake
You just keep on trying 'till you run out of cake
And the science gets done and you make a neat gun
For the people who are still alive
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But there's no sense crying over every mistake
You just keep on trying 'till you run out of cake
And the science gets done and you make a neat gun
For the people who are still alive
Also, don't run out of cake.
I never said you couldn't like it. I'm making an observation that something that was once considered only good enough for the poor, is today considered only good enough for the rich
Also, I don't think China will make the "TV dinner" transition. Not in this century, at least. In a nutshell, it's an aristocracy with a demographic, banking, labor, and social system that doesn't allow those not in the aristocracy to not be in tremendous amounts of debt. China has really weird things like a revenue structure where if the populace started spending their savings, the government would collapse. They're also "uber-Soviet Union" i.e. building and building and building stuff that will never be used
Yeah but China have prettier women than other countries, so they can do what they like. Long live China.
my gf's dad was telling me that in hamburg up till a a couple hundred years (? karl pilkingtoning on the timeframe if we're being honest) ago, salmon was poor people food and it was written into houseservants' and the like's contracts that their meals wouldn't be salmon more than twice a week. same deal I guess. Fucking love me some salmon. Don't even really like other fish.
fuck yeah salmon
no, you did not simply make this observation, you at the very least alluded to the idea that liking lobster makes one a brainwashed sheep. Furthermore, your observation is just wrong. Go to Maine, or any major lobster fishery and check out who is eating lobster, and how accessible it is for the everyday man. It may not be so cheap that it can be fed to prisoners in Maine, but that is only because it is technologically and logistically possible to transport it inland now. Before the advent of modern refrigeration (so that stills could be flash frozen before they started to decompose-- lobster being one of the fastest meats to decompose) and air freight (which allows live fresh lobsters to be flown into the desert) it wasn't a rich or poor food anywhere but within a very close radius to a lobster fishery-- it wasn't, because it wasn't technologically or logistically possible to transport lobster great distances before it spoiled. Now with the import/exporting of lobster possible, the fisheries are being over-fished-- coupled with the over-fishing the logistics are not cheap either. So we can see why lobster, in most places in the world, is something that only the well-to-do can afford on a regular basis.
So what does a shift in market forces have to do with whether something is actually good or not? If you were forced to eat anything, beef tenderloin, foie gras, escargot-- anything, day in and day out, you'd be sick of it. And if there is a society with an abundance of anything edible, they are going to over-serve it to their prisoners. Yet I still can't see what this has to do with whether or not lobster tastes good, or should or should not "rightfully" be a delicacy.
fair enough.Quote:
Also, I don't think China will make the "TV dinner" transition. Not in this century, at least. In a nutshell, it's an aristocracy with a demographic, banking, labor, and social system that doesn't allow those not in the aristocracy to not be in tremendous amounts of debt. China has really weird things like a revenue structure where if the populace started spending their savings, the government would collapse. They're also "uber-Soviet Union" i.e. building and building and building stuff that will never be used
edit: also, on cooking lobster... you can go very very wrong. And also if it is not kept properly, like I said above, it spoils very fast, even when alive. Bad lobster, is bad-- very bad. And if they are being fed to prisoners, the lobsters probably aren't going to be given a great deal of care.
My family has a long history in Maryland with my uncle a crabber for something like 30 years. So I'm gonna have to say that crab > lobster. Let the fools have their tails, more blue crab for me.
this thread has taken a turn for the win
I was being really obtuse in my wording (purposely tbh)
Anyways, your argument refutes mine if the reason why lobster is such a prized and expensive food is for some reason like preparation methods have improved substantially more than most other foods, or if the fact that it's hard to get is what people like about it. The latter is the main reason I attribute to why, in our cultural mentality, lobster is a rich-people food, and why I said "tricked themselves"
These market forces do not explain how something can go from being "poverty-food" to "rich-food". If the explanation in the link is correct, there was once a time when wealthy people were too good for lobster. So now that we live in a culture where lobster is considered one of the most prized foods, I'll have a laugh at how people like to trick themselves
Honestly, though, I think most of the "tricked themselves" has more to do with it being exotic and hard to get. So some people don't necessarily think it's better than BBQ, yet are still willing to overpay
This was all part of some of my experiences from a few days ago. My brother is getting married this weekend, so we're at the venue (a country club), and I couldn't help but notice this extremely "high-end" and expensive place was boring as fuck. The trophy wives were drinking expensive ass wine that tastes no better than a decent microbrew, wearing expensive ass clothes that look no better than what you can find at the mall, the men were playing this strikingly boring game called golf where you stand awkwardly and whack a ball then get upset, and the only color in the entire place was working in the kitchen
It struck me that rich peoples' tastes seem to be terribly unappealing and wasteful, and perhaps I'm doing myself a disservice by playing into their game of wanting to be rich
ITT wufwugy is too good for country clubs
Thanks for strawmanning me.
I am on my phone, so I don't feel like typing a lot.. but did you ever stop to think that the rich of yesterday were the ones tricking themselves? Or even that the rich of past, present and future were, are, and will be tricking themselves? And that what the rich do as far as self deception has absolutely no bearing on the actual intrinsic aesthetic value of lobster, or any food, art, activity, etc?
Pretty much I think you are just being pitifully opposed to rich values simply because they are valued by the rich.
And for the triple post.. I think I agree with rilla, I often prefer crab over lobster.
Oh and a quick word about bbq vs lobster, and thier price discrepancy... Does it really matter if bbq is "better" and lobster costs more once we take into account the value of variety in diet and life in general?
Not because they're valued by the rich, but because they're not valued well.
You can find a cup of coffee that goes for $100. Is it worth $100 on an intrinsic level? Not even close. Are some people willing to pay that price? Apparently yes
I made the post I made because I got the idea that "moving up in the world" isn't what its cracked out to be. I live in a culture that greatly values being "respected business men" with exclusive country club membership, yet it appears that what that entails isn't actually any better than the kind of life that can be lived on 20% of the cost
lol @ Mr Roper, Mr Roper and the great white hype in general
Buttwhippin' - Video
ITT wufwugy is too good to be rich
Ok, well we are walking on some firmer ground now. If this was the point you were trying to make, I think you did a very very poor job of making it. However, I tend to agree that "the life" is not the life I want. I do not want a million dollar McMansion, and I certainly don't want a country club social life. I would like to accrue more wealth though, as more wealth is (probably should say 'can be') a liberating asset. I think what is most important in the pursuit of more wealth is the consideration that the appearance of more wealth should not become the goal. People easily get caught up in chasing this empty goal, which lands people, people who are raking in several hundred grand a year, in debt up to their ears because they are doing their best to keep up with their neighbors who are similarly in debt up to their ears. When this happens you are obviously not attaining more wealth, you are building your own prison.
I want to get rich because the only other option is to die trying.
Can anyone think of an example of a perfect circle (or sphere) in nature? I'll send a dollar of ps money to anyone who can give me a definite example.
I'm confident my dollar is safe.
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/cr...fectcircle.gif
in nature? what isn't a part of nature? we're a part of nature and someone created that perfect circle, so, there ya go.
That's a shoop of a perfect circle. I can tell by the pixels.
Best I can come up with is wave propagation, but even then, a wave's shape is determined by the medium is propagates through. On the molecular level, it won't be a circle.
I GOOGLED A PER FECT CIRCLE WHAT MNORE DO YOU WANT FROM ME
Try googling "Elvis is still alive".
i did but couldn't find any circles
The moon/sun from our perspective.
Stems of plants have crosssections that can be circular. Sunflower centers are circular. Weeds rooted in the ground but blowing around and leaving a trail in sand or something could leave a circular track.
Irises obviously, a well as pupils of humans and other animals. Ripples in a pond. Theres probably hundreds of examples
Oyster pearls?
How would you demonstrate that anything is a perfect circle/sphere? The best you can do is say it is within some fine measure but you could never demonstrate it to be perfect as you can in geometry. Even constructing a circle under the procedures of geometry won't yield a perfect circle, just something so close as makes no odds.
You can't. If you measure a circle and conclude it is perfect, then you just made pi a rational number.
That's the point. That's why perfect circles are not possible. Because a perfect circle would demonstrate that the circumference and diameter have a rational relationship.
well nothing to do with rational or irrational is it? it is just as impossible to prove that anything in the physical world is a perfect square. I think it was Kant who came up with the notion that such abstract ideas can only exist in what he called the realm of ideas.
Ongies gonna ong
you might be thinking of plato's world of forms
errr whoa ya wtf kant? realm of forms or ideas is correct though. i was just off by a millenium or so.
initial lack of fact-checking nonwithstanding, my point stands!
just stoked my pols201 knowledge was called upon and I even picked the correct name!
meh mine was more like high school, which was like a frickin decade ago.
what my usage of the term spit balling or wufwugy's giant crock of bs?
also what a wonderful day to be too hungover to move. i can watch the one drop on espn and not feel like shit that i'm not playing because i actually feel like shit.
i am never getting drunk off just beer again. it fucking always ends up terribly for me. without fucking fail.
wuf's use of the tactic, not your use of the phrase.
not to encroach on the drunk thread, but you can beat this hangover, if you're scientifically minded and want to discover something new. there was this one new year's eve with johnny walker red label...
oh god work on your beer taste mang
bikes deserves some credit for graduating from bud light lime and corona light.
Sad but true, these are the reasonably drinkable lagers available in britain that are also widely available. That's right, Italian beer is actually one of the top picks. Sad times.
I'm in Germany and spoiled for choice, for what it's worth.
*and by drinkable, i mean "not catpiss".
american specialty beers are better than any other country's, american swill is worse than any other country's
Make mine a Samuel Adams.
i'll have a samuel jackson
I'll have a john travolta.
A Butch Cassidy please.
How can a Butch Cassidy be anything but straight whiskey?
I have come 360 as far as beer goes. In high school, we would drink whatever we could get our under-aged hands on. I remember crushing a luke warm 30 rack of Red Dogg with a few friends on more than one occasion. At some point in high school, we started to drink mid-grades.. St Pauli Girl, Heineken, etc. Then I got into micro brews, IPAs etc. The more bitter, the better. I would go to a good liquor store and buy something I had never had before every time I went. But now, I have to be honest, I just want to drink something with bubbles and a bit of alcohol in it. I don't drink Red Dog, so maybe not full circle.. but I often will just order a Coors Light or whatever. *shrug*
im kinda pissed.
my dog has hid my bourbon.
This is so stupid
BBC News - Florida lifeguard fired for helping drowning man
k bourbon found. happy chelle once again.
Just watched a jack reacher trailer. So pissed off.
This is what the factfile on him says:
Name: Jack Reacher (no middle name)
Born: October 29th
Measurements: 6'5", 220-250 lbs., 50" chest
Hair: Dirty-blond
Eyes: Ice blue
Clothing: 3XLT coat, 95 cm. pants' inseam
.....His arms, so long they gave him a greyhound's grace even though he was built like the side of a house...... His hands, giant battered mitts that bunched into fists the size of footballs....
This is not exactly describing Tom Cruise.
wat did you just make me watch boost