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I just feel your arguments aren't so much about what's in my best personal interest as they are 'fuck off immigrant'.
You should reflect on why you react in this way. I have no idea what's in your personal interest. I identified what I felt was an inconsistency in your position, and pointed it out. You reacted by feeling victimised. This is what I mean by screeching banshee. Whenever you are faced with words you don't like, you cry victim and attempt to make the other person out to be some kind of bigot. Classic lib.
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I'm very evidence-driven, and the evidence can't be had until the event occurs.
So you accept that people are in no position to "change their mind" until we've actually left? Because there's no evidence yet, as you acknowledge here, that we have made a mistake. It's all speculation until we leave and observe the effects.
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I may well be misunderstanding you, but my sense is that your argument is a knee-jerk jingoistic reaction along the lines of 'love it or leave it.' Pointing out my immigration status weighs me towards that conclusion, because that is a common argument made by people against immigrants who don't toe the line.
I've been quite clear that you are the kind of immigrant I approve of, not just in this discussion but in the past when discussing Islam. There's no jingoism here. Believing a nation state should control its own affairs is not something I consider to be excessive patriotism. And at the risk of getting sidetracked in a semantics argument, jingoism is a word more usually associated with a war-like attitude. I don't refer to our colonial history with any sense of pride. And I despise our foreign policy. I'm jingoistic when I argue with Germans, but that's trolling rather than pride.
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Hmm, again we have a different view of how democray should manifest itself.
Indeed. You favour perpetual uncertainty and "your vote doesn't matter because you get to vote again" democracy.
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I did not, and have never, suggested that paying taxes to support your sloth makes me a victim
Are you incapable of understanding context? You're playing victim by claiming that I'm telling you to fuck off when I merely point out it's an option for your consideration. You feel victimised because you think I'm picking on your immigrant status when I'm actually suggesting that it puts you in a more favourable position than remainers who only have a UK passport, and have no choice but to ride it out.
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You can accuse me of misunderstanding you. But surely you can see that I am hardly a wailing harpy or whatever. Come on now you bufferton.
You are showing symptoms. I use that term to refer to people who cry when they feel victimised, or when they lose a vote. I first started using it to describe blue haired freaks who scream and show both middle fingers in response to Trump winning an election, but it applies also to people who think any mention of their immigrant status is an act of bigotry and reason to accuse people of jingoism.
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...who happens to live in the same geopolitical domain as I through no choice of my own.
Did you keep a straight face as you typed this out? You have a choice. The fisherman doesn't.
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Do you really think such a pov is 'selfish' to the point of deserving derision?
Yes. I wouldn't if you voted to remain, and then said "bollocks, we lost, oh well at least I live in a democracy".
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What thinking person doesn't oppose the idea of artificial boundaries and ancient conquest determing a national 'identity'?
Someone who thinks that if borders didn't exist, lots of people (ie hundreds of millions, maybe billions) would want to leave their monsoon drenched shithole and war torn deserts and move to more tolerable places.
But let's say I opposed borders... what does being in the EU solve? I just creates a bigger border, a larger artificial boundary, a sense of continental identity instead of national. A national identity is not something that is going to disappear, no matter how much you despise it. Scotland may want to leave the UK because, guess what? They have their own national identity.The Catalans have their own national identity. Why do you want to dilute that? Is culture a dirty word to you?
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I don't believe the EU is a 'superstate'...
And this is why, in my opinion, you're unqualified to debate this topic with any shred of authority. You are willfully ignorant.
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What I object to is the notion of 'patriotism' inasmuch as it co-opts tribialistic notions of genetic 'sameness'.
I don't give a fuck about "genetic sameness". I care about cultural sameness. That's why I don't have a problem with Canadian immigrants, but don't particularly approve of Islamic immigration.