There is zero benefit to majority lynching this early so in case it's not clear, do not put another vote on spacecamp
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There is zero benefit to majority lynching this early so in case it's not clear, do not put another vote on spacecamp
Yes, spacecamp has three votes, with four needed to lynch (7 people left, 4 is majority).
Me, jack and monstr all on him.
There's huge benefit. If someone hammers him now and he flips villager, that person can join me, monstr and jack in being pretty much lock clear.
*and he flips wolf
Waiting for it...
Also, I assume POE is like your list of suspects?
POE is process of elimination
cmon that one's easy
The post count limit on Spacecamp should be over before EOD on Friday. It's been so long since I thought about it, that I don't remember if it's 3 days or 5 on the restriction. I don't remember if it counts on days where you don't post at all. Maybe I should have sent Spacecamp a PM and told him to just spam 10 posts into the sign-up thread each irl day of N1, but I didn't think of it until now.
My advice, now, to Spacecamp is to just try to post an 11th post at the end of each irl day until it goes through.
It is unfortunate that this outside factor is affecting the game, but there's nothing I can do about the post-count restrictions.
I'd like to thank Spacecamp again, openly, for subbing into this game on such short notice.
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Since there's speculation about why I subbed Spacecamp for dwarfman3 and not oskar:
Any speculation that the roles of dwarfman3 and/or oskar played any part in my decision are off-base.
oskar is a regular poster and has been for years. IDK who dwarfman is.
I had to make the decision in a moment, and I chose to give oskar the benefit of the doubt. In the end, it was obviously the right choice, but it was a gamble in the moment.
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I didn't think it was worth addressing, but since it's distracting from the game:
I simply forgot that baudib's an FTR moderator. I should have reminded him (and ong) to be careful not to post in the locked thread, but I didn't. That's my fault.
I've handled it (insofar as I reminded baudib that FTR wont stop a mod from posting in a locked thread). So long as it remains a 1-off, I'm not bothered.
No one hammering yet means at least these are either all villagers and we're waiting for a wolf to finish off spacecamp, or we actually caught a wolf
Tense
If Spacecamp is a villager idk
Then I'm hard wolf siding but I saw jack and ong as pure
rescind Spacecamp
*for now*
The argument that he was subbed because it would have unbalanced the game to have only one wolf has some merit, but it would also unbalance the game to have one less villager at start. So I don't give that much credence.
I don't see spaceman as a wolf suspect at this point. Baud has posted less than him, doesn't have a post limit, and yet isn't getting any votes?
If anything, I'm more suspicious of the people busting out the votes for spaceman than of he himself.
You can say what you like poop.
The best thing you can say is lynch spacecamp, in bold letters. That would make you a lock villager if spacecamp is a wolf, and it would mean we just have to lynch luco then maybe baudib to win.
If he's a villager, I'll get lynched for it and we'll lose, so there's the bonus of being able to blame me.
Thinking
If spacecamp is a wolf, who is his partner?
Hardclaim JK.
I jailed Monster last night, and debated jailing benny.
Man I've seen posts I've liked from everyone
I tried a few things. None worked.
I even tried to fudge his join date back a month to get around the restriction, but I do not have the authority to do so.
Some things require an admin, and gmml made it clear a long time ago that he's not interested in doing anything about this particular problem.
Yeah we got one.
rescind
So... who's his buddy? Luco is my best guess.
Mojo you can edit that for me!
Let's cascade the failure before he gets the chance
Quick, someone quote me!
I believe Ong is suggesting that three votes for spaceman means he's a wolf. Or something.
Luco, have you ever seen Twin Town? Greatest film ever to come out of Wales! Anyway, there's this one scene where the cop who killed the Lewis family is playin dumb, saying things like "you mean like a revenge thing?" with a pretend dumb look on his face.
That's you, right now.
We do not need a cc
If spacecamp is a wolf, he's hoping for a cc. The jailkeeper cannot self protect, so a cc means death.
Consider counterclaiming tomorrow. DO NOT cc today.
We obviously don't lynch spacecamp, because he might be the JK.
But we don't lynch me, monstr, or jack either. Only if one of us three are getting lynched do we need a cc, if one exists.
If spacecamp makes it through the night, his wolf equity goes up a lot. The wolves might leave him so we lynch him tomorrow, but that's risky because he might actually stop the wolf kill.
A cc today is dumb. If the JK gets killed tonight, and it's not spacepimp, we have all the information we need. Give the wolves a chance to dance.
lynch luco
I hope for your sake spacecamp is a wolf. Otherwise you threw this game
So yesterday you berated me for leaving benny at l-3 for 8 hours, and today you do this
rescind
Well that's a lot more action than you would expect for the first 24 hours. I was bolding to put pressure but bringing him to L-1 is a very risky play so early in the day. The fact that he didn't get finished off is interesting. Something to consider later perhaps. Now more saliently he claims JK even though he was not at risk anymore. The idea is that either he really is the JK and he doesn't want to die (full stop), or he is a wolf and wants to live and even if he ends up getting lynched, it will act to draw out the real JK. Tricky.
What to think of his claim he protected monstrman though? Was monstrman a likely nom for the wolves? Spaceman can you explain the reasoning there?
I generally find outing then disappearing to be a wolf tell
lynch Baudib
Ong, you're way better at strategy than me so explain something
In my head, a jk save tonight doesn't drastically change the village's chance of winning. Id rather a CC today if we have one because it means we're guaranteed a wolf today or tomorrow.
Your idea of leaving a cc till tomorrow means we have to choose between two claimants in LYLO, which sounds far worse to me.
Spacecamp has 5 posts left for the remaining 1 1/2 hour no? In any case, he is post limited, and also we suddenly got aggressive on him so as him new to the forum that might also have caused him to go observer mode for a bit. Whatever it is, since he claimed we need to lay off for the time being anyway and reevaluate.
Btw poop out of curiosity is this the first time you are playing this game?
I'm going to sleep now, work tomorrow. I'm leaning on a baudib bold but I don't want any premature wagons so not gonna make it official, probably tomorrow if he hasn't shown up with something credible.
Wait a second spacecamp bolded monstman on D1, but then at night he protected him??
Do you think it's out of the question for a wolf to counterclaim him?Quote:
In my head, a jk save tonight doesn't drastically change the village's chance of winning. Id rather a CC today if we have one because it means we're guaranteed a wolf today or tomorrow.
If he's the JK, and say, me and monstr are wolves, we'd be discussing in the den the pros and cons of cc'ing him. Pro - JK gets lynched. Con - wolf gets lynched tomorrow. That leaves 1 vs 2, and the wolves would be in total control of who the two remaining villagers are. Advantage wolves.
If he's a wolf and the JK does not cc today, then when we see that he didn't get night killed, we know that either 1) he's a wolf, or 2) the wolves are hoping we lynch him.
So... if he lives, and there's no cc tomorrow, then maybe he is the JK and we still don't lynch him.
It's better wolf strategy to just kill him instead of trying to level the village. So if he's a wolf, the real JK does not need to cc.
If spacecamp is JK, he's dead tonight. If spacecamp is a wolf, he's dead tomorrow regardless of whether he's cc'ed or not. So why cc?
Spacecamp's post count limit is an FTR restriction, not an MMM restriction. It has nothing to do with our game, I mean.
The post limit is based on irl days, not in-game days.
I mean... I have no idea which timezone FTR is using to determine when an IRL day starts and stops, but I believe the owner of FTR, Eric, is in California, so maybe Pacific Time Zone.
Just guessing.
Just to clarify my time zone for Poop. I'm in St Louis, MO, and the EOD post will be on this Friday at 6:00 PM local St Louis time, which is Central Daylight Savings Time. That corresponds to 11:00 UTC (where UTC is the same as GMT, but I turn up more web hits on UTC than GMT these days.)
It's a bit confusing because in the UK, there is daylight savings time (which is on now) so GMT/UTC is 10.47 pm and London is GMT +1 (11.47 pm) right now.
Anyways I'm on MST for the next two weeks so 1h behind St. L. (4.47 pm) , so Friday at 5 pm here is EOD. Got it.
Sorry meant MDT - Mountain DAYLIGHT Time , almost edited the above and got in trouble lol.
You guys, lynch space camp please.
baudib really should know better.
What are the benefits of lynching spacecamp? What are the risks?
What are the benefits of leaving him until tomorrow? What are the risks?
I don't think it makes strategic sense to lynch spacecamp. The only reason to lynch without a cc is to protect the identity of the special. That doesn't outweigh the risk of lynching the jail keeper though. Of course wolves know of this dilemma so I think we need to hear a bit more from spacecamp, he went radio silent after his claim. I'll say it again but I don't understand protecting monstrman after bolding him, I'd like to hear the reasoning behind that.
I found it wolfy, or bad. Not usre which to make of it, hence the "yikes"
Sorry about disappearing: I'm actually triple-tabbing across 3 different sites. If that's an "excuse" to you then vote me.
Jailkeeper on my other sites protects but also blocks the wolf carrying the kill. It was a reasonable guess since I thought Monster was scum, but literally everyone else was either calling him town or not putting him on scum lists. Thus he was a prime target to carry the kill in my book. What this tells me is that he was not the specific one that killed benny, unless this game is a bastard and wolves have a roleblocker.
Jailkeepers on other sites usually also cannot consecutively target the same person, so I predict that if I'm not the kill, Monstr is.
I am willing to take suggestions for J/K targets tonight.
VOTE: Baudib
I forgot to respond to the first of jack's quoted posts:
1 vote from hammer is the perfect time to claim, town or scum.
The only thing you should definitely conclude from my claim is that I am not VT, or if I am, I am throwing.
I repeat: Lynch Spaceman. THIS IS NOT A DRILL
or you can wait for him to explain his night action and then laugh and lynch him.
Ok I was willing to keep him around because there is the chance he is the JK and lynching him would be a mistake when there's better options, such as waiting to see if the wolves kill him.
But then he said this...
Is he trying to tell us that mojo didn't make it clear in his role pm that the JK can or cannot protect the same person in consecutive nights? Or perhaps he's trying to say that he didn't think to ask him in private?Quote:
Originally Posted by spacecamp
There is simply no way he's the JK.
Lynching luco or baudib is acceptable. I'd prefer luco. Lynching spacecamp is a wolf lynch.
I would find it incredibly hard to believe the other wolf was on the speed lynch that got spacecamp into trouble, so from my pov, we've won.
It's spacecamp and either luco or baudib. Probably luco, since he was telling us we had nothing to gain from a speed lynch, which absolute bollocks, especially if we lynch a wolf.
I ignored poop. Almost forgot about him, but I could see I was accounting for only six people there. Poop could be the wolf, but I'd be impressed with him if he is. I don't want to be impressed with poop, so I hope he's not the wolf.
Let's lynch spacecamp. The JK should block poop. If there's no kill, it's poop.
lynch spacecamp
If ong is correct about spacecamp then his poe is correct too, it's baud and me in any order and we win.
But I am not lynching spacecamp without a CC.
Clarity of the JailKeeper role:
I copy/pasted all the role PM's from the link in post 1 ITT, only changing the parts in brackets to insert the appropriate names / links.
I am ruling now:
Since there's nothing in that link that states the JK can or cannot choose the same target on consecutive nights,
then there is no prohibition to said behavior in the rules.
As such, I will allow the JK (whomever that is) to choose any target they like, except themselves - as that poses a logical paradox, on each night.
I feel this is fair (or not egregiously unfair), as the problem inherent with a Nurse self-protecting every night is not present in the JK.
Spacecamp is 100% a wolf.
It's against the rules to post any private correspondence from the mod, but it's not against the rules to post publicly available information, such as the role descriptions in the link that mojo provided.
Whatever my role (vanilla, JK, wolf) my role pm was a carbon copy of the role pm in the wiki page that mojo linked. I therefore assume everyone's is.
There is absolutely nothing here about consecutive nights. If spacecamp is the JK and is concerned about that, he should send a private message to mojo for clarification. Standard.Quote:
Town Jailkeeper
Welcome, [Player Name], you are a Town Jailkeeper.
Abilities: Each night phase, you may target one player in the game, whom you will protect from the nightkill and roleblock simultaneously.
Win condition: You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated
lol nice crosspost
This comment comes from someone who doesn't know if the JK can protect on consecutive nights. This is a wolf mistake.Quote:
Originally Posted by spacecamp
EDIT by MMM to fix quote tags
pfft please fix my tags mojo