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Wait, you expect me to take the job when I'm rich? Why the fuck would I do that? I'd take now if I were offered it, and it was walking distance.
Also, I didn't vote for it. I don't remember being asked a question along the lines of "would you prefer English people do take fruit picking jobs?".
Patriotism. I also expect you to put a flag in your avatar. And the correct one too, not the Andrea Jenkyns one. Come on man, where's your #MEGA spirit?
Is that your clever way of saying there's no fruit farms within walking distance of where you live?
Oh that's right, you voted to make British fishermen prosperous again.
I'm not a flag shagger. Sorry to disappoint you.Quote:
I also expect you to put a flag in your avatar.
There's one about a mile away as the crow flies, I can see it in the winter when the trees don't block the view. It's probably a three mile walk though, since I have to cross a river. As best I can tell, they haven't been desperately looking for fruit pickers. Certainly my jobcentre would be quick to inform me of such opportunities. And certainly I would consider some summer work there, I just need a bike.Quote:
Is that your clever way of saying there's no fruit farms within walking distance of where you live?
No, I simply voted to leave the EU.Quote:
Oh that's right, you voted to make British fishermen prosperous again.
Ludlow region.
Apparently, this has become a thing with our gov't, wearing a coat with your job title on it.
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https://images.lbc.co.uk/images/2388...Kqe5ckYH39xO4=
BBC being told they need to reflect "British values."
I guess they mean this then.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E2LEAJsX...jpg&name=small
Anyone who supports Johnson after this is a fucking retard, if they weren't already.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-57254915
Highlight is when he pledged to be injected with covid on live TV early last year to show it wasn't dangerous. This is Trump-level stupidity.
Oh look it's Dominic Cummings saying more things.
Before we get into this again, just a reminder I don't support Boris. However, I also don't trust Cummings.
Let's see what he's actually got to say.
Like every government since Thatcher.Quote:
1. The government 'failed'
Like every PM since Thatcher.Quote:
2. PM 'not fit for office'
This is fucking brilliant. So should Cummings.Quote:
3. Hancock 'should have been fired'
Cummings said it was obvious in retrospect... key word - retrospect. He acknowledges himself he should have done more. Balancing the pandemic with economics and education, that's not an easy task. I'll cut Boris slack here.Quote:
4. First lockdown delay
I've always been very critical of Conservative foreign policy, and it's the prime reason they won't ever get my vote. Also corruption, but primarily foreign policy.Quote:
5. Bombs, quarantine... and Dilyn
The anecdote about the dog is ridiculous and completely irrelevant.
This didn't happen, it never became policy. I would expect this to be discussed. It's a conversation I would expect to happen with experts.Quote:
6. 'Chicken pox parties'
Again, we have economics and education playing a role here. I definitely do not think the govt got it right, but there were people from all camps making noise. When he did order a lockdown, people use the word "fascism". It's lose-lose.Quote:
7. PM 'ignored' second lockdown advice
Dominic Cummings clearly has an agenda. Whether that's to distract the public, or to put pressure on Boris, idk. He's a spin doctor. He knows exactly what he's doing.
Cummings' motivation doesn't change the facts (if these are facts, we still need to see confirmation, but they're certainly plausible allegations given who they're aimed at). It's not like you can say "well, a lot of that's true, but he's only telling us these things 'cause he has an axe to grind; otherwise we never would have heard about it. Ergo, we should ignore it." The motivation of the messenger is irrelevant once the facts are established.
And again you're falling into the same pattern of responses as you do to all the relevations about Boris' various moral transgressions and massive policy fuckups: "well, all politicians are just as bad." To which the only possible response is an equally flippant, "no, they're not." Ultimately, arguing no-one else would have been any better is a lazy argument because it's entirely subjective and there's no way it can be proven or disproven.
The thing is, a lot of these allegations are based on comments made behind closed doors, not intended for public consumption. There will be much more interesting conversations of this kind than what Cummings describes here.
I mean, you're right that it's flippant to just say they're all as bad as each other. But there's a deeper point... it's just an opinion. Dominic says the government failed? That's his opinion, and one you agree with. Dominic says Boris isn't fit for office? Just another opinion, and one you agree with.
Nothing in that list of 7 points struck me as earth shattering. It's gossip politics.
@poop - I think you're being naive. Of all the conversations that go on behind closed doors, you're losing your shit over the lame stuff.
I really don't give a fuck about callous comments when having private discussions with advisors. In fact, I'm more bothered about Cummings being a little snitch.
Yeah you imagine them all sitting there with champagne not taking any of it seriously. I get that.
But taking it seriously is their fucking job.
If I sat on a committee about trans rights at my uni I wouldn't be saying "aha hahaha I can't tell what they are" because there's obv a difference between making a flippant joke or callous remark where nothing's at stake vs doing the same thing when 100k people could die. I mean, maybe not in some people's world, but it's different in mine.
But yeah, w/e, flippant jokes on a forum = not giving a shit if 100k die. Arrgggh and all that.
Which means using inoffensive words? Having to waste time trying to translate their thoughts into words that won't offend anyone on the off chance some little weasel goes talking to the press?Quote:
Originally Posted by poop
No but you'll say it when you let your guard down because you mistakenly think your comments are private.Quote:
If I sat on a committee about trans rights at my uni I wouldn't be saying "aha hahaha I can't tell what they are"
I've seen no conclusive proof that Boris doesn't give a shit if 100k people die.Quote:
But yeah, w/e, flippant jokes on a forum = not giving a shit if 100k die. Arrgggh and all that.
Right, so he either doesn't give a shit about 100k people, or he's doing an excellent job. Those are the only two possibilities.
Welcome to cloud poopoo land.
Or third option, he's awful but so has been every other PM and so will be every future PM, so it doesn't matter.
Latest words from Brexitards after getting dealt a shutout in Eurovision is they're gonna boycott holidays in the EU. That'll learn those Eurolibtards! #MEGA!
So, they'll stop coming here and have 26 other countries to choose from, we'll stop going there and instead we'll go on holidays to...the UK.
There's two major problems with the Eurovision Song Contest, the first is it's riddled with politics and everyone hates the UK, and the second is our song is always really fucking shit.
Here's the greatest Eurovision moment of all time... the Estonian regional semi final 2013.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dllo85ZSUk
^ they didn't qualify
In case anyone is wondering what he's singing about...
yesterday a local man named Korsakov went to Latvia
(repeated)
yesterday a local man named Korsakov went to Latvia
tried to embezzle three grand - broke his leg
a local man named Korsakov got punched in the face
unfortunately, his nose was broken
a local man named Korsakov ate a fresh cucumber
stabbed his thumb in his eye, now the bone of his thumb is broken
a local man named Korsakov lifted a cupboard
shouldn't have done it, he broke his femur
a local man
a local man
a local man
a local man
yesterday a local man named Korsakov went to Latvia
(repeated)
a local man called Korsakov saw a thief
tried to call the police, broke his jaw
a local man called Korsakov was stargazing
he shouldn't have, he broke his neck
a local man named Korsakov went to a shop yesterday
came home in a wheelchair, he broke his leg
a local man named Korsakov was smoking
his head got dizzy, he fell down, broke his tibia
life of a strongman isn't as easy as some might think
life of a strongman isn't as easy as some might think
life of a strongman isn't as easy as some might think
life of a strongman isn't as easy as some might think
yesterday a local man named Korsakov went to Latvia
(repeated)
a local man named Korsakov was plastering
thought it was easy and broke his wrist
a local man named Korsakov was wanking
wanked too hard and broke his pelvis
a local man named Korsakov brought a lady home
should not have brought her, she broke a finger of his
a local man named Korsakov went swimming in the winter
didn't come out of the water, probably broke another bone
yesterday a local man named Korsakov went to Latvia
tried to embezzle three grand - broke his leg
a local man named Korsakov got punched in the face
unfortunately, his nose was broken
a local man named Korsakov ate a fresh cucumber
stabbed his thumb in his eye, now the bone of his thumb is broken
a local man named Korsakov lifted a cupboard
shouldn't have done it, he broke his femur
life of a strongman isn't as easy as some might think
I wouldn't go to see their show, but if they were the random opening act for the band I was going to see, they could actually steal the show.
It's not my cup of tea, but it's a fantastic performance. They've made an art form out of miming. Two rotating upside down drummers. Chewbacca on vocals. If this had qualified for the finals, I'm in no doubt it would have won.
It cracks me up that they're playing trash metal on a guitar, a banjo, and a...Oud? Cittern? Or w/e the fuck that other thing is. Like, only these instruments have the timbre to get the nuances of their music across lol.
Also, imo they didn't make the finals 'cause their music is not very good, and the visual doesn't quite make up for it.
But I never watch Eurovision so can't say for a fact the music needs to be good to win it. Didn't ABBA win one year?
Their music is ok. I like this song, but I've tried listening to more of their stuff and this is as good as it gets. It's not popular music, most people will agree with you that it's not very good. But in a Eurovision final, this would definitely get a lot of public votes across the continent.
Yes ABBA won, it's how they got famous in the first place. Pretty sure it was Waterloo. I don't like ABBA, but I can at least appreciate it's good quality pop music and probably deserved to win, though obviously I say that while having no idea what they were up against that year. I think Cliff Richards has also won it, and din't Whigfield win it with Saturday Night or am I misremembering?
I don't think Saturday Night was a Eurovision song, and Whigfield isn't even British.
Yeah I didn't mean to imply ABBA were bad, they're certainly musical at least. If it was easy to write ear candy pop music everyone would do it and get rich. And fwiw, Mozart wrote a lot of ear candy so it definitely takes some skill.
Take a Chance on Me may be a campy pop disco song, but I'll always give it a listen.
There's way worse in the popular lexicon of songs you may randomly hear while shopping.
Who was it that referred to Boris Johnson as "Britain Trump?" Oh yeah, Trump. Well, I guess he would know lol.
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...prime-minister
"What happened to all our workers? Oh yeah, we took back control of our borders."
This guy owns a chain of bars in the UK and campaigned for Brexit. Now he's wondering why he's short of staff. #MEGA
https://twitter.com/JimMFelton/statu...11540732284930
Take that, America!
https://twitter.com/paperghost/statu...95499954155520
No wonder they got married!
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politi...t-80k-17793570
Higher grocery bills because of more EU red tape. Good thing we left the EU to get away from all their red tape! #MEGA
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...ed-tape-looms/
Edit: I almost forgot - goddamn Eurolibtards with their red tape!
I planted an orange tree in my back garden so I don't have to buy my citrus from the goddamn Eurolibtards in Spain.
It's dying.
Goddamn EU!
#MEGA
Come on Ong, you're slipping man. By now I would at least have expected you to say summat like "Yeah well, Starmer would have also asked to be injected with covid on live TV if he were PM. And I bet his wife is a sleazebag too. They're all the same."
I didn't want to break your run of interesting posts that weren't getting replied to.
Interrupting my posts with half-assed defenses of BloJo is kind of your job though.
It takes two to make this work.
Yeah but I didn't even read your links. Maybe he actually burned a box of kittens this time and your outrage is justified.
No he hasn't done that. He also hasn't ripped off a child's head and shat down their neck, or ordered the gassing of the mentally disabled. So ya, "he could be worse" is a good point.
I would definitely watch this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnak1MC5DBE
Of course you would, it's about your favourite person.
He's a great character. He's just a shitty PM. He should be in a sitcom, or hosting a game show.
Speaking of people losing their shit over nothing, some students at Oxford decided to take down a picture of the Queen from where they live. They didn't burn it, they didn't spit on it, they just took it down and quietly put it away. And now, the right wing press and some Tory ministers are going bananas.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...ustom4=twitter
Meanwhile, in Hartlepool, they've decided there needs to be a plaque on their monkey statue explaining its origin so that people know it's not racist.
Imagine bringing this up in a meeting, unprompted, and thinking you're not the racist one in society associating monkeys with black people.
lol, get a grip Andrea.
https://twitter.com/andreajenkyns/st...02167320596482
Yes I agree, but it's kinda missing the point. Who's the target audience for this plaque? It's not racist people, is it? It's woke idiots who are likely to pull down the statue because they see a monkey and assume it has racist connotations when in fact no such racism exists. Normal people don't see a monkey and think of black people.Quote:
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Coming up on "Boris": The team jackets are a big hit with Boris' staff and make a huge impression on the other G7 leaders. Biden asks where he can get some of those cool threads!
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Today on "Boris." Boris has the audience in tears as he tells Channel 4's Gary Gibbon that he didn't know Brexit would cause problems with the Irish border.
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Goddamn Eurolibtards! Expecting us to hold up our end of the deal we signed up to! How dare they? #MEGA #flags
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...land-row-about
I hope we win the Euros. Not just because I'm an England supporter, but also because it would really piss off the rest of Europe.
We won't win it, we're not good enough. Belgium, Italy and Spain looking good already, Germany France and Portugal all to play yet. We're not bad, we're just not as good as this group.
I hope Scotland wins and uses it to launch indy ref 2.
Nah I don't really. I could give a shit about football. It is kind of annoying being around people humping their flag when their country wins, though. That's about the only reason I don't want us to win.
Actually a better reason to not want England to win is because the fans boo'd the players taking a knee. 'Cause Marcus Rashford is a Marxist who wants the workers to control the means of production. Or something (cough) racist (cough).
Do you suppose the only people booing the taking of the knee are white?
Scotland won't win, they're the worst team in the tournament. Well, it's between them and North Macedonia, but it's close.
Suck on it, Eurolibtards!
https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1404749265742794754
Now all we have to do is tow the Australian continent a few thousand miles closer to the UK and populate it with about 500 million more people, and we won't need to deal with the EU at all anymore! #MEGA #flags
Ahh, bullying journalists for doing their job. #MEGA
https://twitter.com/ThatTimWalker/st...37058460033024
What is a good reason to oppose taking the knee so that you boo people who are doing it while they represent your country?
I wouldn't boo it. That's going a bit far.
We've been through this, I'm sure. Taking the knee is a political gesture. People don't want politics infiltrating sport. And it's just a gesture. It's not action. Not like, say, boycotting the World Cup next year in protest against homophobic discrimination would be. But they'll "protest" that by wearing rainbow laces instead of actually taking some form of action.
Let's not forget this gesture gained international significance as a result of a criminal getting killed by American cops. How is that relevant to a European football tournament? People are tired of identity politics, being put into groups and divided from other groups. Taking the knee is a symbol of identity politics. That's why I oppose it.
They're people who are in the public eye and so have a chance to send a political message, and they're using it. Just like a radio show host, a youtuber, or anyone else whose job has a public face. It may not be a football player's job to have a political opinion, but there's nothing in the footballer code of conduct against it.
And don't you think it's telling that the people who don't want politics in sport are the ones who are against the politics being spoken at that time. If a group of players stood up before each game and yelled "MEGA!!", you can bet none of those same people would be booing it. Quite the contrary, they'd be bellowing "Politics in sport! Fuck yeah!"
It's not the politics in sport they don't want, it's the politics in sport that specifically opposes their own politics.
What do you want them to do, go and tear down a statue before every game?
I mean, ok, they could just refuse to play until people stop being racist I guess. But I suppose they think that's going too far. A gesture sends the same message without being so disruptive.
fyp.
For the same reason it's relevant to pulling down Colston's statue. There is racism in Europe as well, it's basically part of Western culture.
There's only two groups here: the group that want equality and the group that are ok with inequality as long as it benefits them. It's kind of hard to argue you're against racism while at the same time getting annoyed by people protesting against racism.
Actually this isn't quite true. Footballers are not generally allowed to make political gestures in games. It's just in the case of taking the knee, the regulatory bodies are permitting it. But whenever England play around Armistice Day, we tend to wear a poppy. This usually requires permission from FIFA as it's considered a political symbol. And this is to honour the war dead, which shouldn't offend anyone.Quote:
but there's nothing in the footballer code of conduct against it.
You're just making this assumption about "people". You're talking to me though, who opposes politics in sport in general, not just whatever suits me. An example is rainbow laces. It's just a stupid gesture that does nothing to promote equality when the same players are preparing to play a world cup where homosexuality is illegal. I oppose discrimination of homosexuals by states. That doesn't mean I want to see footballers wearing pretty coloured boot laces. It means I want to see a boycott of Qatar 2022.Quote:
And don't you think it's telling that the people who don't want politics in sport are the ones who are against the politics being spoken at that time
I'm ok with antiracism in football, it certainly has its place. But showing support for a left wing political movement in USA isn't tackling racism.
I'm sure some people fit this description but I really do not think it's anywhere near as many as you think. I mean, if a footballer was expressing support for leaving the EU, I'd still be thinking "I don't give a fuck what you think about it mate". And certainly if he was making anti-EU gestures when celebrating a goal, for example, I'd be annoyed. I think most people would be, regardless of one's opinion on the matter.Quote:
If a group of players stood up before each game and yelled "MEGA!!", you can bet none of those same people would be booing it
Well for one, I completely support teams leaving the pitch when fans are making racist chants. And I don't give a fuck what people post on their social media accounts. But making this gesture at every game, in the presence of people who have shown no sign of racism, who is it a message to?Quote:
What do you want them to do, go and tear down a statue before every game?
Racism is a social problem. You can't change the way people are. You can change law, you can change national policy, you can change governments, but you can't change human nature.Quote:
I mean, ok, they could just refuse to play until people stop being racist I guess. But I suppose they think that's going too far. A gesture sends the same message without being so disruptive.
You have to ask what the purpose of this gesture is. Is it to eradicate racism in society? How is it going to achieve this goal?
American racism, as you acknowledge yourself. This is the European Championships. Why not protest against Brazilian cops while we're at it? Let's take the knee for USA, clench the fist for Brazil, then have a minute's applause for transgender rights, then shout at the sky in protest at China. Then play football.Quote:
It's kind of hard to argue you're against racism while at the same time getting annoyed by people protesting against racism.
There's a fuck ton going on in the world that needs fixing. Racism is one of them. People watch football because they want to get away from this kind of shit. People don't want politics rammed down our throats when we just want to get behind the national team and celebrate football.
I see we're back to BLM is Marxist again. Marcus Rashford is reading Lenin during halftime and the rest of the boys are pledging allegiance to Mao.
There's no racists in the crowd, and yet there's people booing them for taking a knee. One might argue that the reason they're taking a knee is because there are people who sit in the crowd who will boo them for taking a knee. Never mind the ones booing at their TV sets.
As I already said, there's plenty of racism in Europe to protest against. Don't try to pretend it only exists in America.
But ok, you don't like political statements made before a sporting game. That's fine. At least you're not booing them like a twat.
You keep talking about Rashford. What has he got to do with this?
Whether you accept it or not, this is about BLM.
I mean this is nonsense. So they're not protesting racism, they're protesting people protesting them protesting racism? Did I get that right?Quote:
There's no racists in the crowd, and yet there's people booing them for taking a knee. One might argue that the reason they're taking a knee is because there are people who sit in the crowd who will boo them for taking a knee.
The longer this goes on, the more people will boo. That's not because more people suddenly got racist. It's because more people are getting sick of identity politics, especially at sporting events.
There's plenty of other shit happening in Europe. Why is racism worse than, say, burglary? Can we have footballers protesting burglaries please?Quote:
As I already said, there's plenty of racism in Europe to protest against. Don't try to pretend it only exists in America.
Rashford's the only England player whose name I know. I'm using him as a shorthand for black England footballers.
No, you're making it about BLM because there's been an effective smear campaign against them by guess who? Racists.
"Rashford" is not trying to promote BLM the Marxist revolutionary organisation by taking a knee. He's promoting equality. I guarantee you neither he nor the other Rashfords on the team are reading Mao at halftime.
Let me reiterate what I said: If no-one was upset by people protesting against racism it would be because there was no racist structure they were trying to uphold. The fact that they boo suggests they prefer a racist system to an egalitarian one. It's the racists amongst the people booing who are the very reason the Rashfords are protesting. Ironic isn't it?
I don't know that burglary is on the same level as racism. Maybe that's just me. But sure, if they wanted to protest burglary, that's their right too I suppose. I bet some of them would even come out against things like kids going hungry. Fucking commies.
This is kinda what it felt like. Do you really not realise this is itself questionable when it comes to racism? You seem to be happy for players to make political gestures that oppose racism, yet you're lazily using Marcus Rashford as your go-to footballer to represent black England players.Quote:
I'm using him as a shorthand for black England footballers.
FYI, they're all kneeling, the white players too.
Are you actually serious here? It was BLM that got this thing going, and the footballers have been quite clear that they are making this gesture to show support for BLM. Certainly that's how it started.Quote:
No, you're making it about BLM because there's been an effective smear campaign against them by guess who? Racists.
I never once suggested that anyone reads Mao or Marx. This is you saying these things.Quote:
I guarantee you neither he nor the other Rashfords on the team are reading Mao at halftime.
And stop calling black footballers "Rashfords" while trying to take moral high ground in a discussion about racism.
This is based wholly on your interpretation of what this gesture means. To other people, it means something different. It doesn't matter if you agree with them or not. What you can't do is apply your thinking to other people.Quote:
The fact that they boo suggests they prefer a racist system to an egalitarian one.