$2 R/A Satty - 6 left top 3 paid

Figured I hit a pr, board was decent, cbet so won't give a free card, turn 10 made it unlikely he flopped a 10. had less than a pot bet behind and defo didnt want to check T and an over card hit then have to call off/fold river.

Think I played it right? Jam pre?

Boss Media (IPN) No-Limit Hold'em Tournament, 500/1,000 Blinds Ante 100 (6 handed) - BossMedia Converter Tool from http://flopturnriver.com/

CO (t10,065)
Hero (Button) (t12,520)
SB (t13,126)
BB (t21,627)
UTG (t19,821)
MP1 (t12,841)

Hero's M: 8.35

Preflop: Hero is Button with Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif, 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif
3 folds, Hero raises t2,000, 1 fold, BB calls t1,000

Flop: (t5,100) 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif, 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif, 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/heart.gif (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t2,550, BB calls t2,550

Turn: (t10,200) 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets All In t7,870 BB calls t7,870

River: (t25,940) 3http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/heart.gif (2 players)

Total pot: t25,940

Results below:

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Hero had Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif, 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif (two pair, tens and eights).
BB had 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif, Khttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif (three of a kind, tens).
Outcome: BB won t25,940

i prefer to just shove preflop
as played is ok i guess

Top 3 paid meaning a 1/1/1 structure? Or is 3rd less $ than first/second?

In a satellite that dishes out 3 seats with this few remaining you're better off playing all in or fold, especially when raising into stacks that cover you.

Like the guys said,shove preflop,you are 5/6 with 12bb,you have position,Ax a good hand to steal

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Originally Posted by Micro2Macro

Top 3 paid meaning a 1/1/1 structure? Or is 3rd less $ than first/second?

In a satellite that dishes out 3 seats with this few remaining you're better off playing all in or fold, especially when raising into stacks that cover you.

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Was a satty with 2 tix but 3rd place was nearly same $ as the tix, so I'd call it a 1/1/1 structure more or less. I think at the time I was at looking at how most stacks were pretty even and the SB/BB had decent FTS stats so was just hoping for some quick folds. This is kind of a gross spot to put yourself in tho because you don't really want to be bet folding to a jam from the blinds with A8o here. Looking at it after the fact and realizing just how much money was in the pot pf and stack sizes, it does seem more like a clear jam.

You have 12bb so this is a standard push, thus the bigstack hasn't a lot of chip advantage over the rest, so I think you have a lot of FE here

Everyone told you to jam pf, so I'll make this thread a bit more useful and talk about post flop with you.

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Originally Posted by Weissr

cbet so won't give a free card

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This is the wrong reason for cbetting. In this case, you are cbetting for value.

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Originally Posted by Weissr

turn 10 made it unlikely he flopped a 10

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True. You have to decide what his range is on the flop and decide what to do based on that, though. If his range consists of mostly draws and you think he's going to call a jam, then jam. If it consists of mostly draws and you think he's going to fold to a jam but bluff the river if you check, you can consider a check. If you think he has some 6x in his range and he's going to call a jam, then jam. If the only hand he calls with is Tx and folds all his draws, then you have to check or bet less than all-in. Etc...

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Originally Posted by Weissr

defo didnt want to check T and an over card hit then have to call off/fold river.

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You're probably not folding very many rivers if you check. If you check, you're usually very happily "calling off" on the river, even if it's an over card.

Maybe I slightly disagreed with one of your comments in my thread.

I do think the above is very well explained TY :)

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Originally Posted by dombo

Maybe I slightly disagreed with one of your comments in my thread.

I do think the above is very well explained TY :)

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Thanks for letting me know it helped, it's always nice to know when someone finds my explanations useful.

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Originally Posted by donkbee

You're probably not folding very many rivers if you check. If you check, you're usually very happily "calling off" on the river, even if it's an over card.

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Ty for the prev analysis :). Say he has two overs and is floating the flop OOP, I just don't see how I can ever check back turn here. Even if you know he'll bluff some river overcards (ones that don't hit him) aren't I giving too much of a free opportunity to hit his hand and take the pot away? I mean I already have over 40% of my stack in the pot.

Well FWIW, my baseline play in this spot is to jam on the turn like you did because I assume the villain will usually call with all 8x and 6x and sometimes with worse hands than that.

There are definitely times when it's good to check this hand, though. If the villain is floating with overs, like you suggested he might, then checking the turn can be great. Presumably he's calling the flop because he thinks he can win the pot on future streets. That means there's definitely a chance he'll bluff the river if he misses. I know you said that you don't wanna give him free cards, but two overs is only ~12% to hit the river. If an aggro player is floating you on the flop, he's probably going to bluff on the river enough to make it worth the slight risk.

Checking the turn can be nice for deception, as well. Often players call wider on the river if the turn is checked back because they convince themselves that a "real hand" wouldn't check the turn. I've been hero called by some crazy stuff in this kind of spot. It's less likely to happen in this tournament since you're almost ITM, but you can never completely rule out hero call equity :D

Another thing to consider is game flow and future hands (less applicable here since the satty is almost done but still something to consider). If you plan to open a bit wider on the button and get into future pots with this player, checking back the turn in this hand is great for balance. It allows you to check turns in the future with worse hands and the BB won't be able to bluff you OOP on the river very often because he's seen that you can have value. It just makes you really difficult to play against and gives you the chance to steal some pots post flop in the future.

Hope that helps.

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Originally Posted by Weissr

Ty for the prev analysis :).

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You're welcome.

Very well put! :popcorn:

I definitely need to start putting more effort into thinking about what villain is holding and what he/she is capable of doing with said holdings. Granted this can be hard in MTT's with few hands/situations to go off. I typically play lower stakes (except for the odd satty win) and always wonder how important it is to 'balance'. Every time the thought crosses my mind I kind of shake my head and think, wtf am I doing these ppl aren't paying attention at these stakes...? For the sake of improving, moving up it's definitely something worth incorporating more of though. I do check back turn a decent amount to induce river bluffs just as a part of my game and find it to be quite a powerful play (except when they jam you, and you know they are capable of jamming air/missed draws so you sometimes call and they have the nuts/rivered sets, etc.... :shock:).

FWIW exploitation > balance almost all the time against people you don't usually play. Consider balance a bonus rather than a reason for doing something.

i always push all in with that hand fron button when i have 15bb or less. Sometimes i fold if i raised to much from button in the last hands, and the bb it s a verry aggresive player.