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You had the feeling like she's holding all the cards? Looked to me like she hasn't got any cards left. Just like putting the high Sparrow in power was her only way to leverage what little power she had left after the council told her to go fuck herself - blowing it all up was her only way of gaining some power back. The only friends she has left are maester frankenstein and his monster at this point. Even Jamie looks like he's 99% ready to axe the bitch.
I do get some sense of what JKDS is saying though. She seemed to be a side player this season. Maybe she got lower screen time than normal.
Does anybody agree with me that I am totally uninterested in seeing anymore silly ass stupidity or conniving bullshit amongst the heroes anymore? We've had enough. Like, it is possible that Sansa is now jelly of Jon and is gonna use LF to get more of her own power and blah blah. Just stop it. This shit is fucking retarded. For once, give the good guys some brains and drop the bad guys' invincibility down from 1000 to maybe 984.
I don't think she had a plan all along. I think that as the reality that power was slipping away from her became more and more real, she stopped trying to play the game and reverted back to the spoiled brat she grew up to be. She knows how the game is played, she knows the unwritten rules, she admires her father greatly for his ability to play the game-- but deep down, she just doesn't have what it takes, she grew up with no struggle. She doesn't have the patience to play by the loose rules everyone else is adhering to, and it's obvious to all the other players, which makes it obvious that as soon as there's a short term gain to be had by betraying them, she will. So they don't play with her, and this makes her even less patient. We saw in e09 (?) her last ditch effort to play the game when she approaches Olenna.
Cersei is the story of a child trying to fill the shoes of their exceptional parent. But due to her blind admiration, she wasn't able to parse the examples her father made-- she couldn't get the most out of his tutelage by examining the man with a critical eye, so she becomes an exaggeration of all of his worst qualities with none of the good.
She wasn't planning this, she was keeping it in her back pocket out of fear that she'd fail to be half the player Tywin was, and in the final episodes of this season that realization came to fruition.
True. Cersei chapters were some of my favorites. She believes she's brilliant by merit of being alive.
I hope Sansa doesn't turn into her mom. Most of the big obstacles Cat faced were due to her own mistakes.
It's neat how Ned never told her about Jon's true parentage. Normally, you'd think this is strange, how it never came up even years down the road. But Ned knew that Cat wouldn't keep her mouth shut. She'd rather tell everybody about a Targaryen bastard than be thought of as having an unfaithful husband.
It seems Dany's force is not nearly strong as she thinks it is. Her army could not survive in the North, especially now that winter has come. Also I see her struggling to take King's Landing due to holding back (not wanting to roast civilians) and Euron may do serious damage to her fleet.
Even though I don't like this, I'm predicting a Jon/Sansa split. Jon and Dany may get married by s7 finale and LF may convince Sansa to play on his team.
In the end, I don't think Jon will die. I think he will live for millennia as the new Night King. Before he died, Alliser said, "Lord Snow, you'll be fighting their battles forever." Foreshadowing that he will have to make some sacrifice to save humankind.
Next season, I want a dragon to die.
Even if it's not the case, it's cannon to me now.Quote:
Originally Posted by boost
Saw a replay of Jimmy Fallon last night where Jon Snow and Blake Shelton were the guests. Jon Snow looks much shorter than on got, especially when he stands next to Blake.
if cleganebowl doesn't happen imma find dnd and reek them.
*crickets*
wall defo coming down
i wonder if cersei dies this season
how crazy would it be if euron is successful in his priceless gift quest and actually captures tyrion and brings him too kl
Hard to say if it'll be this season, a lot has to happen for her death to make sense plot wise-- but she's surely a lock to catch it before the show wraps, Jaime is up there too.
As for the show as a whole: My guess is that whatever we get will be top tier television, but this opener has me a bit worried. There's a lot of short cuts in the writing and things just feel rushed. Arya did her dirt, and then in the same episode we got a forced line between Cersei and Jaime (I think it was literally "...that thing with the Frayes.") to let us know that they know. GoT almost never did this before, having exposition in dialog when all characters present are already in the know, and when it did happen, it wasn't so jarring and sloppy.
Yup. D&D have wanted out for a while. The show is putting what may be 4 full seasons of material into 2 shortened seasons. I'm expecting tons of cut corners.
What bothered me the most was the revelation that there's a mountain of dragonglass which has been used in the past to defeat the white walkers, and then everyone just forgot about it. wut?
Slow start to the season. I'm fairly confident that there will be truly unexpected turns. Cercei believably becoming the mad queen would be pretty brilliant. Dani and Jon bashing their heads in and the white walkers cleaning afterwards up could do the trick.
I feel like I've forgotten so much about this show already. I almost want to watch that awful catch-up episode.
I don't want spoilers so I'm probably gonna stay out of this thread, even though I like GoT. I honestly don't understand how you people can watch a show, one episode per week. Personally, I probably won't watch this season until it's over and I can watch it in 3-5 hour chunks.
My overall comments on the show......They could have done the whole thing without the white walkers, and the story would have been FINE.
Knights, Ladies, Lords, War, Politics, Rivalries, Dragons, Conquerors, intrigue, drama, romance, conflict, blood, guts, and tits.
isn't that enough? We need fucking zombies too? Pfffffffffffft
You're not wrong.
I like the impending zombie Doom tho.
And how bout that Ed Sheeren?
Not sure if I should feel proud or out of the loop for having no idea who that is.
Checked youtube... it's not pride, it's ambivalence.
New Justin Bieber, right?
I didn't think anything of him when I was watching the show. I guess he did alright.
Yeah, that's how I feel-- but if he is in fact the new Bieber, I can only imagine how distracting it would have been to have Bieber doing a cameo, no matter how good of a job he did. Again, it didn't bother me one bit, but come on, this isn't Law and Order...Quote:
Originally Posted by oskar
I'm guessing Euron's gift will be Ellaria.
I had a thought to skip this season because like a fool I think TWOW may be out before 2018. It will probably be significantly better than this season.
I mean, he's beiber in the sense that he's a guy doing pop music that chicks like.
But not in the sense of telling Ann Frank she should be a belieber and thinking he can rap.
Non-sheeran fans don't hold him in nearly as low esteem as non-bieber fans hold bieber though. ie his name doesn't work as the punchline of various jokes like bieber's does. (US expat living in London atm)
I don't watch GOT but Ed Sheran in the UK as popular as he is kind of has smaller roots that makes him a real thing. I actually have a friend who brags about knowing him form his early stuff (which tbf he did as I don't follow pop music and knew about him years and years ago) but it was never particularly good or interesting.
Beiber is much more hated, Sheeran is just kind of a big musician now that people may not like but they don't dislike him as they would others. I would say that other UK people have mentioned it was a weird thing for him to appear in the show.
It's just a PR thing that when the show is that popular already seems a bit odd. It will have definitely drawn in more viewers for the fist ep though.
the grey wurm missandei shit is absolutely fucking barmy.
I'm not the world's biggest fan regarding how the two Sand Snakes died. I don't like seeing big men hurt little women. But maybe that's just me being a racist, sexist, homophobic, Islamophobic, micro-aggressing, xenophobic, land-whale phobic, gender-assuming bigot.
If Gendry shows up in a rowboat with bulging lats and biceps and picks up Theon in the middle of the sea, GoT will officially be the greatest show of all time.
Littlefinger's demise was foreshadowed this episode. The Jon/LF interactions paralleled the Ned/LF interactions in multiple ways. With Ned, LF then betrayed him and Ned fell for it. But this time LF will betray Jon yet something will happen that will save Jon from the same fate, resulting in LF getting fucked. That something will probably be Sansa outsmarting LF, contrasting how it was her as a naive girl who accidentally betrayed her father in the first place. In poetic fashion, she'll save her brother (cousin) where she got her father killed.
Yeah.. however this use of their characters is infinitely better than Tyrion being forced into what was meant to be comic relief scenes with them. Also, naked Missandei is worth the very mildly cringiness.Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
Really, I think the biggest problem with Greyworm stuff is that they are stuck with the accent. It worked great when he was a supreme bad ass of few words, a killing machine dropping one liners to illuminate his and the rest of the unsullied's insane origin story-- but while I think the actor is decent, he's just not good enough to act in complex scenes while being handicapped by the accent and stunted grammar.
lolyes, I think this >>>>>>> cleganebowlQuote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
It's crazy how essentially all of Baelish's character motivation is born of being physically manhandled by Starks.
I loved the naval battle, it was possibly the best battle yet. At first I was put off just a little by how stylized it was, but then when it culminates in Theon PTSD'ing off the boat, it works so well. It's reminiscent of the bridge battle in Apocalypse now. Quite a different tone, but it feels like this surreal nightmare which really gives the scene a POV feeling as opposed to a disembodied observer. Also, Euron's entry was so unbelievably badass, it was on the level of some of the best shots in 300.
Easily Mark Mylod's best episode. He made up for the Waifinator debacle of last season. I'm sincerely pleased with how Euron has been characterized by now. Comic book villain is a big step up from mean uncle of last season.
The Paddler Who Was Promised.Quote:
Originally Posted by boost
Arow Ahai.
I think the fact that they told instead of showed us of Euron's exploits is actually a rare good use of what is typically weak story telling. We were kinda POV'ing from the perspective of the Iron Islanders, who hadn't seen Euron in years (decades?) and only were hearing of his adventures second hand from him at that moment. Then when we get this navy battle, we're (and the Iron Islanders presumably) are all like "ooooooh snap, he wasn't playin!"
Sounds spot on.Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
I'm hoping we don't get that far though. Jon leaves, and Sansa fucks up everything because she has no sense but thinks she's hot shit. I foresee treachery, or mutiny, or a surprise attack by cersei that just kills them all.
I'm hoping little finger is a Professor Snape though. Either that, or he should sneakily ursurp everything and be revealed as the real big bad
Sadly, I do think Sansa dies before the end yet I have no idea how. So you may be right.Quote:
Originally Posted by JKDS
My endgame for some of the characters:
I predict that Dany will fall in love with Jon soon (maybe starting next episode). They will be betrothed at some point, but then near the very end of the series, Jon will kill her to save Westeros or to slay the dragons in a pact with the walkers or something.
Arya to be the last Stark in Winterfell, living the life that Ned said she would and she never thought she would.
Somehow little finger is going to fuck over John Snow and Sansa. I'm waiting for it.
This is good.Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
This show would be a little bit better if every time Littlefinger shows up and sais something ominous everyone would just go "oh fuck off'". And then he sais something snarky and they just go "yeah yeah" and do the talking hand thing and walk away and he just stands there smiling stupidly.
Also they should have casted Steve Buscemi.
And Varys played by John Goodman screaming at him, "You're out of your element, Petey!"
While that would be a great casting choice, I think you're cheating because you could make any movie better by casting John Goodman as any of the characters.
Best actor alive (or working). You know, since PSH is dead and DDL is retired.
So basically Roseanne > GoT?
In many ways.
Do you mean that seriously? I'm no fan of GoT, not my genre. Roseanne on the other hand is a pretty fantastic, of it's time boundary pushing, tv show that stands up to rewatching as the last time I watched it was recently. It definitely bombs out it's ass in the last season but so?Quote:
Originally Posted by oskar
It also is starting up again which I'm not really excited about in thinking its' going ot be good but I will definitely watch. Sarah Chalke* <3
*Her entrance was actually the downfall of the show imo, too much 4th wall referencing shit going on.
Roseanne Barr loves Trump. Therefore you guys love Trump via proxy. Suckers.
I'll have to rewatch to be sure, but does it seem like Euron/Lannisters might be getting insider info? Could Varys be a double agent?
That would be pretty stupid considering we had that whole scene where Dany challenges his loyalty and he professes to be a straight-shooter. Why have all that drama over what a stand-up guy he is if he is just gonna turn out to be a douchebag? The only reason for something like that would be to piss off the audience. And through 6+ seasons now, GOT has not been that kind of show.Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
Given the geography of Westeros, I dont' see how an armada of Unsullied ships could get to Casterly Rock without someone noticing. I don't recall anyone ever saying it was supposed to be a sneak attack.
Lannisters probably knew it was coming and made a strategic play to forfeit Casterly Rock so they could go fuck up the Tyrells. Jamie cites an earlier battle, where Robb Stark did the same thing to him, as his inspiration for the play. Not inside info.
Also, why is LittleFinger still alive? He seems totally useless now.
LF: "Hey Sansa, it's a good thing you have me around to give you advice"
Sansa: "Like what?"
LF: fight every battle, everywhere, always, in your mind
Sansa: "i guess that's decent advice. Oh look, Bran is back in town"
Bran: I can see everything, Everything that’s ever happened to anyone, everything that’s happening right now.
Sansa: Hey littlefinger, fuck your advice, Bran knows what's up
Bran: But I still have no personality
So they're playing all of dragon lady's allies as being inept...including Tyrion. And they're now playing cersei/Jaime as being intelligent again.
It's dumb, is plot inconsistent, and seems to just be a way to insert fortune telling bran into the picture.
I mean, I get that all characters are human and flawed. But you don't just stop being competent. Leaving allies unprotected, benching dragonqueen, fighting for a castle that isn't the throne, and leaving your navy that you worked 5 seasons to get unguarded is dumb dumb dumb.
Spoiler:
ok, that was worth the wait.
however, quite disappointed we still haven't see the white walkers yet. im guessing they'll be saving that for the season 8 cliff hanger.
Yup.
holy shit.
I stayed awake till 6am to watch that and the new Rick and Morty... and so worth. I know I'm no super genius for figuring this out, butSpoiler:When Dr. Frankenstein revealed the super anti dragon weapon to Cercei, it was super obvious that that's a misdirection, but the way they did it was as good as it gets. Same with Sansa finding Arya and Lord Varys turning himself into a pickle. I think I'll get some groceries, make myself some coffee and rewatch both episodes again. What a day for TV!
Chaos is a ladder. Dr. Branhattan with the woke af.
I'm happy to see that The Mannis is still alive and warged into Davos.
i know this is blasphemy but i might like bronn more than the hound.
arya and brienne meeting/duel is my favorite scene of the entire show. sure it had silliness, but it was expert in actualizing many seasons of character development. we finally got to see what arya can do. more importantly, we finally got to see other important characters get to see what arya can do.
regardless, it may bite her in the ass. littlefinger is significantly more well off having that arya information than otherwise. maybe arya will be done in by her arrogance at some point, maybe not. probably not except perhaps the very end of the series since grrm's wife will murk him in divorce court if arya dies.
ah, I enjoyed the Davos grammar nit, but only on the surface level, it didn't click for me that it was a Stannis callback. Pretty sick.
Arya vs Brienne is for sure in the running for best fight scene.
I think the LF dynamic is getting a bit strained. Bran being there and not being like loldudeisabaddie seems like a stretch. But I guess he hasn't seen everything yet.. or he has seen enough to know he's dangerous, but also enough to know that there isn't immediate danger. Or he warged LF to plant the seed of the idea to give him the dagger because he knows Arya will need it. *shrug*
When I saw the wild west setting for the BBQ scene in the previews, I was worried it would feel hamfisted as a homage to cowboys vs indians westerns-- but it somehow paid homage, yet didn't feel corny at all, even while dancing on the border of Wild Wild West territory with the solo operated anti aircraft scorpion. I get that as far as the story is concerned and for the visual impact of the battle it doesn't really matter, but as a minor military tactics geek, I was a little disappointed to see what essentially is a horde of steppe archers be reduced to head on charge spear fodder tactics. But I'm sure that was one of the most expensive scenes to date, and depicting something like a flanking maneuver would have increased cost significantly while not adding anything for 99% of viewers.
Bronn has been working for free for a long time. He finally gets the balls to ask for his paycheck, and then his one-handed boss says "nah, if I paid you, a dragon might steal it". And Bronn just says "yeah, ok"Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
I feel like the Hound would have a more aggressive response
Some dude's a Targaryen.
Confirmed.
Who? If you mean Jon, that's old news.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack Sawyer
Who else is a confirmed Targaryen?
Arya killing Little Finger just feels right.
Only to Bran tho. That scene was brilliant. Gilly casually dropping the bomb between poop and window facts was just amazing. I wouldn't be surprised if that stays with her until she meets Jon and Dani and Forrest Gumps it.Quote:
Originally Posted by BananaStand
Napoleon is quoted boasting about how many men he can send to their death and not give a shit. The charge of the light brigade also comes to mind regarding the military mindset. So from what I've read it looked plausible. They have an overwhelming force, so they surround the enemy and just yolo. This is pretty much textbook Sun Tzu.Quote:
Originally Posted by boost
Well yeah. It's gotta stay secret until Jon and Dany hook up.Quote:
Originally Posted by oskar
Whats the over/under on how many more episodes that's gonna take?
every time it seems jaime is becoming sane, cersei fucks his head up again. i hate that bitch.
their plan to capture a wight seems crazy, i suspect bran will help in some way. awesome seeing the hound again, and teaming up w jonny boy!
the meeting with jaime and tryion seemed so rushed, wish we got to see more of that dialogue.
will be cool if everyone puts aside their shit and teams up against the night king, but i don't see cersei doing it, even with proof.
I wonder if Dany is the final villain of the series. Euron appears to be the Act III main villain and I think the Night King is a red herring.
Notice how Dany gave Randyll and Dickon the same choice she gave others before, except that the "choice" to not follow her was to die instead of to go about their merry way. She may be transforming into the Mad Queen by the end.
It will probably come out that Jon is the rightful heir, not Dany. She may then go into full meltdown.
They get a wight, meet with cersei, there is betrayl, cersei loses, then Dany beats the nk and marries Jon.
Too predictable, but what other way will it end?
How would Jon's claim be "rightful"? Seems to me that Gendry has a stronger claim than Jon. He's the only one left with Baratheon blood.Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
Speaking of Baratheon blood, I don't get how Cersei is gonna play this pregnancy card. Claiming Jamie is the father pretty much confirms all the rumors about Joffrey and Tommen. Which means that the Lannisters have zero claim to the throne at all. They have no connection to the Baratheon line at all.
Wouldn't that make it really really really easy for the people of westeros to support Dany?
I'm guessing she's not really pregnant. She just needed something to help create a potential future for Jamie to care about. Kingslayer was about to fold. Now he's all-in.
I'd say Dany is a red herring regarding the whole hero thing. Probably only valyrian steel can kill the Night King. Dragon fire probably melts before it contacts him and the walker swords probably can penetrate/kill dragons.Quote:
Originally Posted by JKDS
Gendry is a bastard, not a Baratheon. The annulment and marriage of Prince "Ragger" that Gilly read about is dramatic irony for the audience, telling us that Jon was Rhaegar's trueborn Targaryen son. As the Baratheons were killing the Targaryens, Jon became the last living male Targaryen. This may come up in the show such that Dany will have a struggle with the fact that she is not the true Targaryen next in line to the throne.Quote:
Originally Posted by BananaStand