fold quads

villain 21-16-6
squeezer kinda crazy
flop call is cos who is scared of 4 outs
thoughts?

edit to add more thoughts as per Meeloche's comment below:
note that his river bet is a shove for my 100bb stack.
re valuable reads, i have about 180 hands on him, i think he's 9-tabling, and so far he's seemed pretty standard. My guess is that he's a 6-max reg, we don't have history cos i don't play 6-max, and when i do i run into hands like his... This means that I'll be a relative unknown to him too, probably makes it even more likely that i have AAAA in his eyes. Dunno, aren't people less likely to bluff/value bet kinda thin vs unknowns in spots like these?

<yaawn> fold is silly
<yaawn> r u that fucking retarded ?
<yaawn> like our hand is very powerful
<yaawn> we beat full houses
<yaawn> flushes
<daven> wish it was a badbeat jackpot table on some weirdo site = snap call ;)
<yaawn> straights
<yaawn> three of a kind
<yaawn> two pair
<yaawn> pair
<yaawn> and high cards

$0.25/$0.50 No Limit Holdem
6 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG Spearra ($144)
UTG+1 driga88 ($50)
CO naabial ($46.50)
BTN Hero ($50.75)
SB KlexXx ($49.35)
BB bob iliopoulos ($89.40)

Pre-Flop: ($0.75, 6 players) Hero is BTN :9c: :9d:
Spearra raises to $1.75, 2 folds, Hero calls $1.75, KlexXx raises to $7, 1 fold, Spearra calls $5.25, Hero calls $5.25

Flop: :9s: :ac: :ad: ($21.50, 3 players)
KlexXx checks, Spearra bets $10.50, Hero calls $10.50, KlexXx folds

Turn: :as: ($42.50, 2 players)
Spearra checks, Hero checks

River: :9h: ($42.50, 2 players)
Spearra bets $42.50,

Wow nooooo. Why would you fold here when villain could be value potting it with QQ-KK type stuff, since the board looks like a chop.

I think it's pretty optimistic to think he's going for value with a hand like KK or QQ, especially given preflop. The betsizing makes me want to fold. 3/4 and I'd be much happier to call.

If squeezer is crazy, then its definitely possible he'd flat a hand like QQ/KK. And more likely he'd 4bet a hand like AK or AQ even.

I don't disagree that the pot sizing kinda sucks, and would prefer 3/4. Maybe I just can't fold this out of principle.

I think on boards where its perceived that the board is playable, people are more likely to bet bigger when they do beat the board.

this is a snap-call and a value-shove in some scenarios

Why the turn check, are you already convincing yourself that quads are highly likely? Gives him a lot of river leverage to bluff.

don't fold, I can't shove cause you didn't give any valuable reads.

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Originally Posted by meeloche

don't fold, I can't shove cause you didn't give any valuable reads.

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Originally Posted by Genitruc

this is a snap-call and a value-shove in some scenarios

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note that his river bet is a shove for my 100bb stack.
re valuable reads, i have about 180 hands on him, i think he's 9-tabling, and so far he's seemed pretty standard. My guess is that he's a 6-max reg, we don't have history cos i don't play 6-max, and when i do i run into hands like his... This means that I'll be a relative unknown to him too, probably makes it even more likely that i have AAAA in his eyes. Dunno, aren't people less likely to bluff vs unknowns in spots like these?

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Originally Posted by FlyingSaucy

Why the turn check, are you already convincing yourself that quads are highly likely? Gives him a lot of river leverage to bluff.

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turning my hand into a bluff on the turn just feels kinda sick. And, yes, quads are a big part of his range. Would I check AAAA behind on this turn? sure, sometimes.

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Originally Posted by FlyingSaucy

Why the turn check, are you already convincing yourself that quads are highly likely? Gives him a lot of river leverage to bluff.

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I don't get it... turn check seems pretty standard. We lose to all pairs >9x, and it's not that likely that he's c/c pairs lower than 88 here.

oh my

oops thought this was nl100 my bad

but i still don t think it s ever a good idea to fold unless you have a very sick read

fwiw i think we should definitely be turning our hand into a bluff by betting 8 on turn and jamming blank river at least some %, we are now at the bottom of our range...

If you want to fold, then I love his shove.

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Originally Posted by fnord

if you want to fold, then i love his shove.

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el oh el

I fold river but I don't make a thread about it

I want nutsinhos babies for suggesting to bluff turn and barrel. :D

fold

dont

strangest thing to me is why villain doesn t bet the turn

Foldddddd

fold but not doing it can't be that bad

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flop raise is cos is likz money

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fyp?

knew OP was destined for greatness after seeing this thread.

good fold imo

Ahh, 3 aces on board. After reading the thread title I figured it would either be that or 4 to a rf/sf. For example, you have T:c: T:d: and board is T:h: T:s: J:h: Q:h: K:h:.

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Originally Posted by Genitruc

strangest thing to me is why villain doesn t bet the turn

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cuz he has quads..lol

I wouldn't fold, I mean you have quads, and there's only one A left on the deck. What I don't like is your call to the 3bet with 99. You will hit a 9 1 out of 8 times, what would you do the other 7 times? if you get an overpair and the 3better preflop cbets what would you do?

old threat revival ?

snap call
if he has an ace, print out the hand and stick it to the wall