Aces Pointless Rambling Thread

Here is a hand that illustrates the importance of position in NL holdem. If you have position and are willing to represent a good hand it become very profitable to raise in late position. Think about it what will people limp with in Middle to late position? Crappy hands! so take there money I make a lot of bb/100 hands in NL holdem by "stealing" weak limpers money. Just make sure that you are willing to invest some money on the flop...if your not then maybe NL holdem isn't for you.

***** Hand History for Game 1604497620 *****
$100 NL Hold'em - Thursday, February 17, 11:29:01 EDT 2005
Table Disco Lights (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 8
Seat 3: tjabokomp ( $256.25 )
Seat 4: Zoe21 ( $98.55 )
Seat 5: Risto777 ( $105.85 )
Seat 7: FoltzyAce35 ( $175.3 )
Seat 8: xtec1 ( $51.2 )
Seat 9: nomasrios ( $77.75 )
Seat 10: wireless2121 ( $83.6 )
Seat 2: acesup86 ( $97 )
tjabokomp posts small blind [$1].
Zoe21 posts big blind [$2].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to acesup86 [ 8s 7s ]
popo1651 has joined the table.
Risto777 folds.
FoltzyAce35 calls [$2].
xtec1 folds.
nomasrios folds.
wireless2121 calls [$2].
acesup86 raises [$10].
tjabokomp folds.
Zoe21 folds.
smash85 has joined the table.
FoltzyAce35 calls [$8].
wireless2121 calls [$8].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 9h, 4d, 9d ]
FoltzyAce35 checks.
wireless2121 checks.
acesup86 bets [$25].
FoltzyAce35 folds.
wireless2121 folds.
acesup86 does not show cards.
acesup86 wins $56.35

I love this kind of play from late position, especially with suited connectors. It sucks when you get raised there, but it won't happen that often.

I didnt listen to my own read here when he called it I knew he was on KK yet still pushed the flop....I was hoping above all hopes he had QQ.

***** Hand History for Game 1604520670 *****
$100 NL Hold'em - Thursday, February 17, 11:39:11 EDT 2005
Table Pot Luck (Real Money)
Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 2: culjas ( $343.8 )
Seat 3: pannik ( $389.05 )
Seat 4: HeCoonKid ( $144.1 )
Seat 5: miggaHH ( $228.4 )
Seat 7: taipanly ( $72.3 )
Seat 8: MONTYCARLOSS ( $104 )
Seat 9: xtec1 ( $170.45 )
Seat 10: acesup86 ( $121.7 )
Seat 6: wildderr ( $64 )
Seat 1: famlinwood ( $92 )
famlinwood posts small blind [$1].
culjas posts big blind [$2].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to acesup86 [ Ac Ad ]
pannik raises [$7].
HeCoonKid folds.
miggaHH folds.
wildderr folds.
taipanly folds.
MONTYCARLOSS folds.
xtec1 folds.
acesup86 raises [$40].
famlinwood folds.
culjas folds.
pannik calls [$33].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 2h, Kd, 7d ]
pannik checks.
acesup86 is all-In [$81.7]
pannik calls [$81.7].
** Dealing Turn ** [ Tc ]
** Dealing River ** [ 7s ]
pannik shows [ Kh, Ks ] a full house, Kings full of sevens.
acesup86 doesn't show [ Ac, Ad ] two pairs, aces and sevens.
pannik wins $243.4 from the main pot with a full house, Kings full of sevens.

Did you have reads on these players or just make the raise becasue of their post flop checks?

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Originally Posted by chuckg

Did you have reads on these players or just make the raise becasue of their post flop checks?

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I think your talking about ther first hand I posted...they limped preflop I raised showing strength....they called showing weakness so I decided to take the pot right there...that simple

Here is a example of how to represent a Small Blind Special out of the small blind. And the check raise screams I have top 2 pair or set and need to protect my hand. Plus if I get called I have 8 outs as an insurance policy.


***** Hand History for Game 1604559015 *****
$100 NL Hold'em - Thursday, February 17, 11:55:13 EDT 2005
Table Table 12520 (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 2: acesup86 ( $173 )
Seat 3: kuvera ( $132.25 )
Seat 6: BRETTPPFD ( $100 )
Seat 10: nthach101 ( $43.4 )
Seat 9: Gameon4u ( $255.45 )
Seat 7: Piv72 ( $80 )
Seat 8: bond0069 ( $99 )
Seat 1: Stussy109 ( $106.75 )
Seat 5: GMAN49 ( $64 )
Seat 4: eggman10 ( $106.05 )
acesup86 posts small blind [$1].
kuvera posts big blind [$2].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to acesup86 [ 7h 4h ]
eggman10 folds.
GMAN49 calls [$2].
>You have options at Table 12603 Table!.
BRETTPPFD folds.
Piv72 folds.
bond0069 folds.
Gameon4u folds.
nthach101 calls [$2].
Stussy109 calls [$2].
acesup86 calls [$1].
kuvera checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 9s, 5d, 6c ]
acesup86 checks.
kuvera checks.
GMAN49 bets [$5].
nthach101 raises [$10].
Stussy109 folds.
acesup86 is all-In [$171]
kuvera folds.
GMAN49 folds.
>You have options at Pot Luck Table!.
nthach101 folds.
acesup86 does not show cards.
acesup86 wins $194.25

For the first hand, I have some questions about strategy since these scenario come up:

If somebody reraises you big do you fold every time?
If somebody raises you small do you fold or play it out?
If someobdy min-raises or calls and you don't improve your hand but figure they don't either, do you proceed to raise again to continue the bluff?

I do this seldom in ring games since the blinds don't go up. In tourny play, this works well. Even if people know you are playing your position they will fold because they don't want to find out the hard way.

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Originally Posted by r8ed

For the first hand, I have some questions about strategy since these scenario come up:

If somebody reraises you big do you fold every time?
If somebody raises you small do you fold or play it out?
If someobdy min-raises or calls and you don't improve your hand but figure they don't either, do you proceed to raise again to continue the bluff?

I do this seldom in ring games since the blinds don't go up. In tourny play, this works well. Even if people know you are playing your position they will fold because they don't want to find out the hard way.

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If anyone show any sign of strength on the flop Im out like a fat kid in dodgeball.

So, you are playing $1/$2 almost exclusively and making that kind of money? I get smoked in ring games at .25/.50.

This kind of play isn't going to work nearly as well in the games with .25/.50 blinds. Your best bet there is to make a big hand and get it paid off.

Too many fish, too many calling stations in the .25/.50 games. It's good for monster hands, bad for bluffing. Move up to .50/1.00 or higher to see bluffing and hand-repping pay off. Of course you still have to pick your spots, and the right (tight) opponents.

***** Hand History for Game 1605321956 *****
$100 NL Hold'em - Thursday, February 17, 15:55:12 EDT 2005
Table Lolipop (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 2: IZZYMANDLBOM ( $107.75 )
Seat 3: ulikeaces ( $105 )
Seat 4: Treeman225 ( $139.9 )
Seat 6: chris22_32 ( $343.05 )
Seat 7: PIRATE_POET ( $76.35 )
Seat 9: fgrtrade99 ( $130.25 )
Seat 8: jww3540 ( $85 )
Seat 1: NegerKalle ( $104.3 )
Seat 10: vikesin3 ( $244 )
Seat 5: Rum_Drinker ( $142.75 )
Treeman225 posts small blind [$1].
Rum_Drinker posts big blind [$2].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to ulikeaces [ Js Jh ]
chris22_32 folds.
PIRATE_POET folds.
jww3540 folds.
fgrtrade99 calls [$2].
vikesin3 calls [$2].
NegerKalle raises [$10].
ulikeaces calls [$10].
Treeman225 folds.
Rum_Drinker folds.
fgrtrade99 calls [$8].
vikesin3 calls [$8].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 5d, 8c, 6c ]
fgrtrade99 checks.
vikesin3 checks.
NegerKalle bets [$40.85].
ulikeaces folds.
fgrtrade99 folds.
vikesin3 folds.
NegerKalle does not show cards.
NegerKalle wins $81.7


You cant get overly atached to Js even if he had ak of clubs here he was slight favortie to my Js...Know when to wait for a better spot to get your money in.

I'm starting to think playing lower limit Ring Games is going to make your poker skill development suffer. Anyone can wait for top hands and go AI at any level. But it's the position play and pot stealing (among other things) that set players apart and helps you perform well even when the cards aren't optimal. You can't really progress or profit at lower limits with the low blinds and calling stations.

Am I off base here? If I'm not, time to cash in some stocks and move up to $1/$2 with a higher bankroll. Plus, I know to leave the table if a guy name acesup86 shows up.

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Originally Posted by r8ed

I'm starting to think playing lower limit Ring Games is going to make your poker skill development suffer. Anyone can wait for top hands and go AI at any level. But it's the position play and pot stealing (among other things) that set players apart and helps you perform well even when the cards aren't optimal. You can't really progress or profit at lower limits with the low blinds and calling stations.

Am I off base here? If I'm not, time to cash in some stocks and move up to $1/$2 with a higher bankroll. Plus, I know to leave the table if a guy name acesup86 shows up.

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I dominated the lower level NL ring games before I moved up I suggest you do the same. There is a lot to learn playing nl25 and nl50 wait tell you have mastered those before moving up

It's just a different game. You spend more time exploiting statistical advantages because of how often you are called by marginal hands. You spend much less time bluffing, using position, and running psychological ploys - because the true fish don't understand those things. And most of the true fish are on the lower blinds. Money can be made at both types of tables, and skills can be learned, but the money comes in differently and the skills aren't quite the same (though they overlap).

Maybe I just suck at ring games. The only time I play them is to earn deposit bonuses. I lose the bonus before I get it:).

each one is more different than you would think. I play in .1/.2, i would say i'm at the point where i crush .1/.2, just waiting on a little more br to move to .25/.5. there are a lot of nuances that separate .05/.1 and .1/.2. i've played in .25/.5 before, and it seems like there are some differences there i've noticed too. I don't think skipping steps would be a good idea.

I think in .25/0.5 you exploit peoples stupidity. With 1/2 you exploit peoples intelligence more. Obviously there are exceptions, but its all about getting a feel for your opponents and playing accordingly.

I always think that any poker experience is good if you try to learn something from it.

Hand 1 (steal with 78s): very nice. I usually make a 4xbb raise preflop when I do this, and then maybe 3/4 pot on the flop. I get worried when more than 1 person calles preflop though.

Hand 2 (AA vs. KK): Gotta push that flop. He could just as easily have AK.

Hand 3 (garbage semi-bluff): lol. Tip of the cap to you. I just don't have it in me to pull off that kind of play. And I don't know if it would be wise to at the $50 NL 6-max tables.

Hand 4 (layed down JJ): I'm totally pushing here. Keep in mind that even if he does have AKs, you still have the pot odds to make betting +EV compared to folding. My only concern would be QQ-AA.

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Originally Posted by johnnyawe

Hand 1 (steal with 78s): very nice. I usually make a 4xbb raise preflop when I do this, and then maybe 3/4 pot on the flop. I get worried when more than 1 person calles preflop though.

Hand 2 (AA vs. KK): Gotta push that flop. He could just as easily have AK.

Hand 3 (garbage semi-bluff): lol. Tip of the cap to you. I just don't have it in me to pull off that kind of play. And I don't know if it would be wise to at the $50 NL 6-max tables.

Hand 4 (layed down JJ): I'm totally pushing here. Keep in mind that even if he does have AKs, you still have the pot odds to make betting +EV compared to folding. My only concern would be QQ-AA.

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The thing is he had QQ-AA so it was a good fold I am 100% certain I was beat.

***** Hand History for Game 1590499822 *****
$200 NL Hold'em - Monday, February 14, 14:33:55 EDT 2005
Table Table 14444 (Real Money)
Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: mauricelusky ( $206.8 )
Seat 3: PearlJammed ( $325.2 )
Seat 4: cyoo45 ( $269.8 )
Seat 5: TENUKI ( $230.3 )
Seat 6: RNGMYTH ( $326.5 )
Seat 9: Ggirl_09 ( $116.9 )
Seat 10: dock1181 ( $390.1 )
Seat 7: blackout583 ( $365.7 )
Seat 2: Dashayu ( $200 )
Seat 8: acesup86 ( $200 )
Ggirl_09 posts small blind [$2].
dock1181 posts big blind [$4].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to acesup86 [ 7s 9h ]
mauricelusky folds.
PearlJammed folds.
cyoo45 folds.
TENUKI calls [$4].
blackout583 folds.
acesup86 raises [$20].
Ggirl_09 folds.
dock1181 calls [$16].
TENUKI folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 2h, 9c, Ts ]
dock1181 checks.
acesup86 bets [$35].
dock1181 calls [$35].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 4h ]
dock1181 checks.
acesup86 checks.
** Dealing River ** [ Qs ]
dock1181 bets [$50].
acesup86 raises [$100].
dock1181 folds.
acesup86 does not show cards.
acesup86 wins $263

When you know someone has ak its nice..

I think I am getting the concept. Did I do this right?

PokerStars Game #1233964067: Hold'em No Limit ($0.05/$0.10) - 2005/02/18 - 12:
25:02 (ET)
Table 'Puck' Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: cmg_poker ($7.10 in chips)
Seat 2: cbar ($6.45 in chips)
Seat 3: garybluberry ($4.60 in chips)
Seat 4: inecita2004 ($28.15 in chips)
Seat 5: sandiegolife ($3.60 in chips)
Seat 7: Lucky LV ($9.40 in chips)
Seat 8: zbalata01 ($3.60 in chips)
Seat 9: leebmf ($4 in chips)
cbar: posts small blind $0.05
garybluberry: posts big blind $0.10
leebmf: posts big blind $0.10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to cmg_poker [Ad 8c]
inecita2004: folds
sandiegolife: folds
Lucky LV: folds
zbalata01: calls $0.10
leebmf: checks
cmg_poker: raises $0.40 to $0.50
cbar: folds
garybluberry: folds
zbalata01: calls $0.40
leebmf: folds
*** FLOP *** [3d 9h Ac]
zbalata01: checks
cmg_poker: bets $0.50
zbalata01: calls $0.50
*** TURN *** [3d 9h Ac] [Js]
zbalata01: checks
cmg_poker: bets $0.50
zbalata01: calls $0.50
*** RIVER *** [3d 9h Ac Js] [6h]
zbalata01: checks
cmg_poker: bets $2.10
zbalata01: folds
cmg_poker collected $3.10 from pot
cmg_poker: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $3.25 | Rake $0.15
Board [3d 9h Ac Js 6h]
Seat 1: cmg_poker (button) collected ($3.10)
Seat 2: cbar (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: garybluberry (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: inecita2004 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: sandiegolife folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Lucky LV folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: zbalata01 folded on the River
Seat 9: leebmf folded before Flop

I knew he didnt have a pair but come on........



***** Hand History for Game 1622155701 *****
$100 NL Hold'em - Sunday, February 20, 19:55:04 EDT 2005
Table Coffee beans (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: ROTANIMERT ( $328.2 )
Seat 2: Chris1094 ( $60.4 )
Seat 4: acesup86 ( $100 )
Seat 5: foshizzle101 ( $334.7 )
Seat 6: Bonds_MVP ( $95.15 )
Seat 7: ace1or11 ( $163.1 )
Seat 10: Zebdula2004 ( $96.95 )
Seat 8: mr_miz ( $114.7 )
Seat 3: cmdfred ( $100 )
Seat 9: TheDel ( $98 )
Bonds_MVP posts small blind [$1].
ace1or11 posts big blind [$2].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to acesup86 [ Kd As ]
>You have options at Flying Without Wings Table!.
mr_miz folds.
TheDel folds.
Zebdula2004 folds.
ROTANIMERT calls [$2].
Chris1094 folds.
acesup86 raises [$10].
foshizzle101 folds.
Bonds_MVP calls [$9].
>You have options at Neighbour's Envy Table!.
ace1or11 folds.
ROTANIMERT calls [$8].
** Dealing Flop ** [ Qc, 5s, 2s ]
Bonds_MVP checks.
ROTANIMERT checks.
acesup86 checks.
** Dealing Turn ** [ 4d ]
Bonds_MVP bets [$6].
ROTANIMERT raises [$12].
acesup86 calls [$12].
Bonds_MVP calls [$6].
** Dealing River ** [ 7d ]
Bonds_MVP checks.
ROTANIMERT bets [$20].
>You have options at Table 12166 Table!.
acesup86 raises [$40].
>You have options at Neighbour's Envy Table!.
Bonds_MVP folds.
>You have options at Neighbour's Envy Table!.
ROTANIMERT calls [$20].
acesup86 shows [ Kd, As ] high card ace.
ROTANIMERT doesn't show [ Jd, Ac ] high card ace.
>You have options at Neighbour's Envy Table!.
acesup86 wins $145 from the main pot with high card ace with king kicker.
>You have options at Flying Without Wings Table!.

***** Hand History for Game 1622228065 *****
$100 NL Hold'em - Sunday, February 20, 20:08:26 EDT 2005
Table Flying Without Wings (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 2: soprano1644 ( $160.85 )
Seat 3: nghoffman ( $290.15 )
Seat 4: muffy4042 ( $94.6 )
Seat 5: awriver ( $139.13 )
Seat 6: reydetontos ( $100 )
Seat 7: Okkie ( $97 )
Seat 8: busssssh ( $176.88 )
Seat 9: Maverick3450 ( $176.24 )
Seat 10: acesup86 ( $119.7 )
Seat 1: saintjohner ( $95 )
soprano1644 posts small blind [$1].
nghoffman posts big blind [$2].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to acesup86 [ 8d Td ]
muffy4042 folds.
awriver raises [$4].
reydetontos folds.
Okkie folds.
>You have options at Table 12166 Table!.
busssssh folds.
Maverick3450 calls [$4].
acesup86 calls [$4].
>You have options at Table 12166 Table!.
saintjohner calls [$4].
soprano1644 folds.
nghoffman calls [$2].
** Dealing Flop ** [ Qs, 9c, 3d ]
nghoffman bets [$6].
>You have options at Table 12166 Table!.
awriver calls [$6].
>You have options at Table 12166 Table!.
Maverick3450 calls [$6].
acesup86 calls [$6].
saintjohner folds.
** Dealing Turn ** [ 3c ]
>You have options at Neighbour's Envy Table!.
nghoffman checks.
awriver bets [$9].
Maverick3450 calls [$9].
acesup86 raises [$40].
nghoffman folds.
awriver folds.
Maverick3450 calls [$31].
** Dealing River ** [ 6h ]
Maverick3450 checks.
acesup86 bets [$65].
>You have options at Neighbour's Envy Table!.
Maverick3450 folds.
acesup86 does not show cards.
acesup86 wins $196

***** Hand History for Game 1622336225 *****
$100 NL Hold'em - Sunday, February 20, 20:28:34 EDT 2005
Table Table 12166 (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: glanatpar ( $100 )
Seat 2: gretzky111 ( $96 )
Seat 7: Elch_ ( $118.8 )
Seat 9: ChipInChair ( $364.63 )
Seat 10: acesup86 ( $164.05 )
Seat 3: BlackCrude ( $208.7 )
Seat 6: sgbgtown ( $127.6 )
Seat 8: cowhauler ( $168.15 )
Seat 5: wassup1294 ( $99 )
Seat 4: ZxBrockxZ ( $100 )
sgbgtown posts small blind [$1].
Elch_ posts big blind [$2].
ZxBrockxZ posts big blind [$2].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to acesup86 [ 7h 5h ]
cowhauler raises [$4].
ChipInChair folds.
acesup86 calls [$4].
glanatpar folds.
BlackCrude folds.
ZxBrockxZ folds.
wassup1294 calls [$4].
sgbgtown calls [$3].
Elch_ folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 3d, Jh, 3h ]
sgbgtown checks.
cowhauler bets [$5].
acesup86 raises [$10].
wassup1294 folds.
sgbgtown folds.
cowhauler calls [$5].
** Dealing Turn ** [ Qh ]
>You have options at Flying Without Wings Table!.
cowhauler bets [$30].
acesup86 calls [$30].
** Dealing River ** [ 7d ]
cowhauler checks.
acesup86 bets [$65].
cowhauler is all-In [$124.15]
acesup86 is all-In [$55.05]
acesup86 shows [ 7h, 5h ] a flush, queen high.
cowhauler shows [ Kc, Kh ] two pairs, kings and threes.
cowhauler wins $4.1 from side pot #1 with two pairs, kings and threes.
acesup86 wins $337.1 from the main pot with a flush, queen high.

Here fish fishy fishy fishy......



***** Hand History for Game 1623618372 *****
$100 NL Hold'em - Monday, February 21, 00:18:27 EDT 2005
Table Coffee beans (Real Money)
Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 3: schres ( $443.95 )
Seat 7: ulikeaces ( $95.05 )
Seat 10: viking44 ( $133.55 )
Seat 4: bubudobakdan ( $204.6 )
Seat 8: Stormdogg ( $106.85 )
Seat 6: charlton49 ( $84.85 )
Seat 2: leftyocto ( $100 )
Seat 1: karlakit ( $94 )
Seat 9: silversoul ( $94 )
silversoul posts small blind [$1].
viking44 posts big blind [$2].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to ulikeaces [ 8h 7h ]
karlakit folds.
leftyocto folds.
schres folds.
charlton49 folds.
ulikeaces raises [$10].
Stormdogg calls [$10].
silversoul folds.
viking44 folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 5d, 9h, 6c ]
ulikeaces bets [$10].
Stormdogg folds.
ulikeaces does not show cards.
ulikeaces wins $31.85
karlakit has left the table.

***** Hand History for Game 1623732886 *****
$100 NL Hold'em - Monday, February 21, 00:40:23 EDT 2005
Table Table 12472 (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: Focker7393 ( $106.25 )
Seat 2: BigNasty ( $121.3 )
Seat 3: BoSox_77 ( $283.8 )
Seat 4: asbekhob ( $48 )
Seat 5: Crash39 ( $236.05 )
Seat 6: daMuffster ( $106.15 )
Seat 7: dj_arum ( $80 )
Seat 8: ulikeaces ( $132.2 )
Seat 9: HughJ0rgen ( $146.2 )
Seat 10: grr8ful ( $87.3 )
BigNasty posts small blind [$1].
BoSox_77 posts big blind [$2].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to ulikeaces [ Qc Kc ]
asbekhob raises [$7].
Crash39 folds.
daMuffster folds.
dj_arum folds.
ulikeaces raises [$12].
HughJ0rgen folds.
>You have options at Ravaging Raisers Table!.
grr8ful folds.
Focker7393 folds.
BigNasty calls [$11].
BoSox_77 folds.
>You have options at Ravaging Raisers Table!.
asbekhob raises [$18].
ulikeaces folds.
BigNasty calls [$13].
** Dealing Flop ** [ Jd, Jc, 4s ]
BigNasty checks.
asbekhob bets [$15].
BigNasty raises [$30].
asbekhob is all-In [$8]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Tc ]
** Dealing River ** [ Ac ]
BigNasty shows [ Ks, Js ] three of a kind, jacks.
asbekhob shows [ As, Ah ] a full house, Aces full of jacks.
BigNasty wins $7 from side pot #1 with three of a kind, jacks.
asbekhob wins $107 from the main pot with a full house, Aces full of jacks.

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Originally Posted by ilikeaces86

Here fish fishy fishy fishy......



***** Hand History for Game 1623618372 *****
$100 NL Hold'em - Monday, February 21, 00:18:27 EDT 2005
Table Coffee beans (Real Money)
Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 3: schres ( $443.95 )
Seat 7: ulikeaces ( $95.05 )
Seat 10: viking44 ( $133.55 )
Seat 4: bubudobakdan ( $204.6 )
Seat 8: Stormdogg ( $106.85 )
Seat 6: charlton49 ( $84.85 )
Seat 2: leftyocto ( $100 )
Seat 1: karlakit ( $94 )
Seat 9: silversoul ( $94 )
silversoul posts small blind [$1].
viking44 posts big blind [$2].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to ulikeaces [ 8h 7h ]
karlakit folds.
leftyocto folds.
schres folds.
charlton49 folds.
ulikeaces raises [$10].
Stormdogg calls [$10].
silversoul folds.
viking44 folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 5d, 9h, 6c ]
ulikeaces bets [$10].
Stormdogg folds.
ulikeaces does not show cards.
ulikeaces wins $31.85
karlakit has left the table.

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How is his play here bad? Do you not like it because he cold-called pf and then folded to aggression on the flop that probably didn't hit him? With a decent hand, I might have done the same thing. I don't see what the problem with his play was here.

And to the subsequent hand... :( Woulda been sweet, eh?

- Jeffrey

I was expecting to either win or tie this hand...I put him on JJ or QQ...You think flags should of been going up?


***** Hand History for Game 1626416113 *****
$100 NL Hold'em - Monday, February 21, 16:36:56 EDT 2005
Table Coffee beans (Real Money)
Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: Bandoleon ( $285.5 )
Seat 3: drbob2004 ( $106.4 )
Seat 4: Lud22 ( $63.75 )
Seat 5: Extratopping ( $211.4 )
Seat 6: peluri ( $104.5 )
Seat 7: PIRATE_POET ( $90 )
Seat 8: loube333 ( $110.55 )
Seat 9: Zoe21 ( $307.6 )
Seat 10: NELS83 ( $196 )
Seat 2: jollymon26 ( $94 )
Zoe21 posts small blind [$1].
NELS83 posts big blind [$2].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Extratopping [ Qd Qs ]
Bandoleon raises [$4].
jollymon26 folds.
drbob2004 folds.
Lud22 folds.
Extratopping raises [$10].
peluri folds.
PIRATE_POET folds.
loube333 folds.
Zoe21 folds.
NELS83 folds.
Bandoleon calls [$6].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 6d, Td, 9d ]
Bandoleon bets [$50].
Extratopping raises [$100].
Bandoleon calls [$50].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 6c ]
Bandoleon is all-In [$175.5]
Extratopping is all-In [$101.4]
** Dealing River ** [ 2c ]

Quote:

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Originally Posted by ilikeaces86

I was expecting to either win or tie this hand...I put him on JJ or QQ...You think flags should of been going up?

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Definitely smells like a boat, tens or nines high. Unless he flopped a lucky flush - but most guys wouldn't bet that flop if they had the flush.

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Originally Posted by dalecooper

Quote:

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Originally Posted by ilikeaces86

I was expecting to either win or tie this hand...I put him on JJ or QQ...You think flags should of been going up?

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Definitely smells like a boat.

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whoever smealt it dealt it ...and no he didnt have a boat or flush...so what did he have?

Quote:

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Originally Posted by ilikeaces86

Quote:

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Originally Posted by dalecooper

Quote:

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Originally Posted by ilikeaces86

I was expecting to either win or tie this hand...I put him on JJ or QQ...You think flags should of been going up?

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Definitely smells like a boat.

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whoever smealt it dealt it ...and no he didnt have a boat or flush...so what did he have?

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Quad sixes or flopped a straight? but it seems very unlikely he'd still be in that hand with 78... unless he's been taking notes off of you. Could he possibly have been so passive with KK or AA?

bingo bango bongo

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Originally Posted by ilikeaces86

bingo bango bongo

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No kidding. I would have had all my money in that pot before the flop. You get re-raised in that situation, you really need to get all your chips in quickly.

The guy flips over AA and I was like wtf...

Quote:

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Originally Posted by ilikeaces86

***** Hand History for Game 1623732886 *****
$100 NL Hold'em - Monday, February 21, 00:40:23 EDT 2005
Table Table 12472 (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: Focker7393 ( $106.25 )
Seat 2: BigNasty ( $121.3 )
Seat 3: BoSox_77 ( $283.8 )
Seat 4: asbekhob ( $48 )
Seat 5: Crash39 ( $236.05 )
Seat 6: daMuffster ( $106.15 )
Seat 7: dj_arum ( $80 )
Seat 8: ulikeaces ( $132.2 )
Seat 9: HughJ0rgen ( $146.2 )
Seat 10: grr8ful ( $87.3 )
BigNasty posts small blind [$1].
BoSox_77 posts big blind [$2].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to ulikeaces [ Qc Kc ]
asbekhob raises [$7].
Crash39 folds.
daMuffster folds.
dj_arum folds.
ulikeaces raises [$12].
HughJ0rgen folds.
>You have options at Ravaging Raisers Table!.
grr8ful folds.
Focker7393 folds.
BigNasty calls [$11].
BoSox_77 folds.
>You have options at Ravaging Raisers Table!.
asbekhob raises [$18].
ulikeaces folds.
BigNasty calls [$13].
** Dealing Flop ** [ Jd, Jc, 4s ]
BigNasty checks.
asbekhob bets [$15].
BigNasty raises [$30].
asbekhob is all-In [$8]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Tc ]
** Dealing River ** [ Ac ]
BigNasty shows [ Ks, Js ] three of a kind, jacks.
asbekhob shows [ As, Ah ] a full house, Aces full of jacks.
BigNasty wins $7 from side pot #1 with three of a kind, jacks.
asbekhob wins $107 from the main pot with a full house, Aces full of jacks.

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That's just... the worst. Funny enough, I was actually thinking about this today when I folded QJ suited to a lot of pre-flop aggression, and was wondering how often a royal gets folded in situations like that. I'm sure a lot of the weaker hands here (KQ, KJ, KT, QJ, QT, and JT) get folded routinely to big raises... but it's such a small chance they will hit, of course.

AA? wow

So is the guy tricky and played that real well or what?

*edit
probably not a good play cause it couldve allowed some suckouts right?

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Originally Posted by DrumzCT

AA? wow

So is the guy tricky and played that real well or what?

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No hes an idiot I bust his ass.

Got it. I musta been editing as you were replying

If he was smart he would of pushed back preflop.

Quote:

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Originally Posted by ilikeaces86

The guy flips over AA and I was like wtf...

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At least he raised with it pre-flop. I've run into like three different guys in the last few days who routinely limped high pairs, QQ-AA. A couple times I ended up hitting straights or two pair and took a lot of money. Today though, a guy put in no raise with AA and ended up in a five-way pot... but he flopped his set and then his slowplay instincts served him well, unfortunately.

Question for you Aces. I play $10 or $25 no limit tables and this type of play works granted my raises and bets are big enough to scare them off thier draw/small hand which usually takes a bit more chips (relative to the big blind that is).

I can tell when to get out of a hand but up against a calling station what do u do?

If they call or check/call on the flop ill do different things depending on what the turn is.

If the turn is a scary card (scary if they dont have it) Ill bet out again from 1/2 to whole pot depending on pot size. if they call that the river is a check/fold from me.

if the board pairs, check/fold

if it's a card that doesnt help but not a scary card that would help me push them out, im check/folding again.

Is this a correct strategy?

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Originally Posted by DrumzCT

Question for you Aces. I play $10 or $25 no limit tables and this type of play works granted my raises and bets are big enough to scare them off thier draw/small hand which usually takes a bit more chips (relative to the big blind that is).


I can tell when to get out of a hand but up against a calling station what do u do?

If they call or check/call on the flop ill do different things depending on what the turn is.

If the turn is a scary card (scary if they dont have it) Ill bet out again from 1/2 to whole pot depending on pot size. if they call that the river is a check/fold from me.

if the board pairs, check/fold

if it's a card that doesnt help but not a scary card that would help me push them out, im check/folding again.

Is this a correct strategy?

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Up against a calling station you have to just show them down the best hand.... Ive tried it all. Betting the pot betting small going all in none if it works against a stubborn calling station who is convinced that you are "stealing" My advide would be too just show them the best hand...Once they call the flop bet it means they are thinking "I have something, or think you have nothing" At that point if you have something good keep betting if not check and try and spike a card.

***** Hand History for Game 1627962790 *****
$100 NL Hold'em - Monday, February 21, 21:24:40 EDT 2005
Table Table 12166 (Real Money)
Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 2: bigreddewd ( $92 )
Seat 4: Jrob16 ( $101.55 )
Seat 6: ace1or11 ( $91 )
Seat 8: nckstradamus ( $183 )
Seat 9: sugar_mamm ( $204.1 )
Seat 10: chunkysoup ( $100.55 )
Seat 1: Extratopping ( $100 )
Seat 5: redindy ( $90 )
Seat 3: a_monkey ( $49 )
Seat 7: rickmottley ( $215 )
chunkysoup posts small blind [$1].
Extratopping posts big blind [$2].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Extratopping [ Th 8h ]
bigreddewd folds.
a_monkey folds.
Jrob16 calls [$2].
redindy folds.
ace1or11 folds.
rickmottley folds.
nckstradamus folds.
sugar_mamm folds.
chunkysoup calls [$1].
Extratopping checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 6h, Tc, 8d ]
chunkysoup bets [$2].
Extratopping raises [$5].
Jrob16 folds.
>You have options at Pot Luck Table!.
chunkysoup calls [$3].
** Dealing Turn ** [ Ah ]
chunkysoup checks.
Extratopping bets [$10].
chunkysoup raises [$20].
Extratopping is all-In [$83]
chunkysoup folds.
Extratopping does not show cards.
Extratopping wins $126.2

Some people woudl cold call here but I like taking it down when I am ahead.

This guy had been rabmling about how he was drunk then tried to pull a fast one one me.....

***** Hand History for Game 1644194807 *****
$100 NL Hold'em - Friday, February 25, 00:38:59 EDT 2005
Table Table 12559 (Real Money)
Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: LSS3655 ( $39.6 )
Seat 2: RIC59319 ( $249.65 )
Seat 3: goatse ( $128.15 )
Seat 5: looseleaves ( $134 )
Seat 6: mttiger ( $69.15 )
Seat 7: kingsnogoood ( $146 )
Seat 8: PlaysWthNuts ( $176.35 )
Seat 9: ZedsDeadBaby ( $160.4 )
Seat 10: nuspine4u ( $197.75 )
Seat 4: Prutsa ( $98 )
PlaysWthNuts posts small blind [$1].
ZedsDeadBaby posts big blind [$2].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to kingsnogoood [ Ad Qc ]
nuspine4u calls [$2].
LSS3655 folds.
>You have options at Table 12737 Table!.
RIC59319 folds.
goatse calls [$2].
Prutsa folds.
looseleaves calls [$2].
mttiger calls [$2].
kingsnogoood raises [$10].
PlaysWthNuts folds.
ZedsDeadBaby calls [$8].
>You have options at Table 12737 Table!.
>You have options at Table 12737 Table!.
nuspine4u calls [$8].
goatse calls [$8].
looseleaves calls [$8].
mttiger calls [$8].
** Dealing Flop ** [ Ah, Jc, 5c ]
ZedsDeadBaby checks.
nuspine4u checks.
goatse checks.
looseleaves checks.
mttiger checks.
kingsnogoood bets [$50].
ZedsDeadBaby folds.
nuspine4u folds.
goatse folds.
>You have options at Ravaging Raisers Table!.
looseleaves raises [$120].
mttiger folds.
kingsnogoood is all-In [$86]
looseleaves is all-In [$4]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 6d ]
** Dealing River ** [ 2c ]
looseleaves shows [ Qd, Kd ] high card ace.
kingsnogoood shows [ Ad, Qc ] a pair of aces.
kingsnogoood wins $12 from side pot #1 with a pair of aces.
kingsnogoood wins $306 from the main pot with a pair of aces.

Is that a normal amount of callers for that raise, on those tables..? That seems crazy loose.

***** Hand History for Game 1646000506 *****
$100 NL Hold'em - Friday, February 25, 13:15:01 EDT 2005
Table Candy Canes (Real Money)
Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 4: SquantoFloor ( $130.65 )
Seat 5: kingsnogoood ( $155.7 )
Seat 6: marisa1 ( $17 )
Seat 7: markevil ( $129.83 )
Seat 9: jaypops96 ( $60.1 )
Seat 10: galpha ( $535.67 )
Seat 2: geeshi ( $162.7 )
Seat 8: nychief25 ( $106.75 )
Seat 3: rotsahruk ( $97.45 )
jaypops96 posts small blind [$1].
galpha posts big blind [$2].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to kingsnogoood [ Ac Ad ]
geeshi folds.
rotsahruk calls [$2].
SquantoFloor folds.
kingsnogoood raises [$10].
marisa1 folds.
markevil folds.
nychief25 folds.
jaypops96 folds.
galpha calls [$8].
rotsahruk folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Kc, 2h, 5d ]
galpha checks.
kingsnogoood checks.
** Dealing Turn ** [ Kh ]
galpha checks.
kingsnogoood checks.
** Dealing River ** [ 8d ]
galpha bets [$15].
kingsnogoood raises [$30].
galpha raises [$110].
kingsnogoood folds.
galpha does not show cards.
galpha wins $175

I tried to get a bit to fancy here and it hurt me.....I forgot my own rule jam the pot!

how many damn screen names do you have for PP and EP?


sheesh

Like 4000

***** Hand History for Game 1646058179 *****
$100 NL Hold'em - Friday, February 25, 13:32:55 EDT 2005
Table Daredevils (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: porcelina_ ( $202.35 )
Seat 5: yevin ( $123.9 )
Seat 7: pup132 ( $101.95 )
Seat 9: kingsnogoood ( $283.5 )
Seat 10: HughJ0rgen ( $116 )
Seat 4: rickmottley ( $100.95 )
Seat 3: RexFortis ( $86.25 )
Seat 2: joem13 ( $26.25 )
Seat 8: sofietto ( $32 )
Seat 6: cAPE10 ( $100 )
pup132 posts small blind [$1].
kingsnogoood posts big blind [$2].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to kingsnogoood [ 8c 4c ]
HughJ0rgen folds.
porcelina_ folds.
joem13 folds.
RexFortis folds.
rickmottley folds.
yevin folds.
pup132 calls [$1].
kingsnogoood checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 3s, 5c, 7s ]
pup132 checks.
kingsnogoood bets [$3].
pup132 calls [$3].
** Dealing Turn ** [ Kd ]
pup132 checks.
kingsnogoood checks.
** Dealing River ** [ 6c ]
pup132 bets [$15].
kingsnogoood is all-In [$278.5]
pup132 is all-In [$81.95]
pup132 shows [ 4d, Ah ] a straight, three to seven.
kingsnogoood shows [ 8c, 4c ] a straight, four to eight.
kingsnogoood wins $181.55 from side pot #1 with a straight, four to eight.
kingsnogoood wins $200.9 from the main pot with a straight, four to eight.

When you know what an opponent has and you know he wont lay it down just put all your chips in the middle.

dont make the same mistake I did

***** Hand History for Game 1646142348 *****
$100 NL Hold'em - Friday, February 25, 13:59:20 EDT 2005
Table Daredevils (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: porcelina_ ( $160 )
Seat 5: yevin ( $120.45 )
Seat 9: kingsnogoood ( $397.65 )
Seat 10: HughJ0rgen ( $179.7 )
Seat 4: rickmottley ( $79 )
Seat 3: RexFortis ( $142.15 )
Seat 8: sofietto ( $71.75 )
Seat 6: cAPE10 ( $109.5 )
Seat 2: OnlyOneMove ( $29 )
cAPE10 posts small blind [$1].
sofietto posts big blind [$2].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to kingsnogoood [ Jh Jc ]
kingsnogoood calls [$2].
HughJ0rgen folds.
>You have options at Table 12628 Table!.
>You have options at Table 12628 Table!.
porcelina_ calls [$2].
OnlyOneMove folds.
RexFortis folds.
rickmottley raises [$8].
Spike777 has joined the table.
>You have options at Table 12628 Table!.
yevin folds.
>You have options at Candy Canes Table!.
cAPE10 raises [$15].
>You have options at Table 12559 Table!.
sofietto folds.
kingsnogoood calls [$14].
>You have options at Candy Canes Table!.
porcelina_ folds.
rickmottley calls [$8].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 3h, 7h, Js ]
cAPE10 is all-In [$93.5]
>You have options at Table 12628 Table!.
>You have options at Candy Canes Table!.
kingsnogoood calls [$93.5].
rickmottley folds.
** Dealing Turn ** [ 4c ]
** Dealing River ** [ Ac ]
cAPE10 shows [ Ks, Kc ] a pair of kings.
kingsnogoood shows [ Jh, Jc ] three of a kind, jacks.
kingsnogoood wins $236 from the main pot with three of a kind, jacks.

Dont call 8xbb with JJ preflop when you know your behind and you dont have implied odds to make the set.

do you have a problem with the way I played this?


***** Hand History for Game 1662963484 *****
$100 NL Hold'em - Monday, February 28, 15:54:44 EDT 2005
Table Blue Moon (Real Money)
Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 4: Extratopping ( $150.25 )
Seat 5: kiwiblr ( $263.6 )
Seat 8: W00dChuck ( $83.95 )
Seat 1: walkwalk ( $42.45 )
Seat 9: Gocubuffs ( $114.75 )
Seat 3: kinarfur ( $110 )
Seat 2: deepfield ( $101.5 )
Seat 10: NETwo ( $100 )
Seat 7: xdoyleyboyx1 ( $77.85 )
Seat 6: Groodan ( $99 )
W00dChuck posts small blind [$1].
Gocubuffs posts big blind [$2].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Extratopping [ As Qs ]
NETwo folds.
walkwalk calls [$2].
deepfield folds.
kinarfur folds.
>You have options at Halloween Table!.
Extratopping raises [$10].
kiwiblr folds.
Groodan folds.
xdoyleyboyx1 calls [$10].
W00dChuck folds.
Gocubuffs folds.
walkwalk folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Qh, Ad, 4s ]
Extratopping bets [$12].
xdoyleyboyx1 calls [$12].
** Dealing Turn ** [ Th ]
Extratopping checks.
>You have options at Halloween Table!.
xdoyleyboyx1 bets [$4].
Extratopping is all-In [$128.25]
xdoyleyboyx1 is all-In [$51.85]
** Dealing River ** [ 3h ]
xdoyleyboyx1 shows [ Ah, Ac ] three of a kind, aces.
Extratopping shows [ As, Qs ] two pairs, aces and queens.
Extratopping wins $72.4 from side pot #1 with two pairs, aces and queens.
xdoyleyboyx1 wins $157.7 from the main pot with three of a kind, aces.

Neither of you played it poorly.

He trapped an aggro player who was betting on top 2.

-'rilla

Looking for a way to get away from this one.....?


***** Hand History for Game 1668085548 *****
$200 NL Hold'em - Tuesday, March 01, 14:24:27 EDT 2005
Table Table 36705 (Real Money)
Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: MADDY_MONEY ( $533.45 )
Seat 2: boston22334 ( $208.45 )
Seat 4: drawthis ( $189.65 )
Seat 5: lynnstrait ( $196.15 )
Seat 6: cashplague ( $200.85 )
Seat 8: sensoo ( $154.05 )
Seat 9: krista21 ( $299.2 )
Seat 7: Extratopping ( $200.8 )
Seat 10: nostradamus9 ( $222.1 )
Seat 3: AARounder ( $187 )
nostradamus9 posts small blind [$1].
MADDY_MONEY posts big blind [$2].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Extratopping [ Qd Kd ]
>You have options at Table 36617 Table!.
boston22334 folds.
AARounder folds.
drawthis folds.
cashplague calls [$2].
Extratopping calls [$2].
sensoo folds.
krista21 calls [$2].
nostradamus9 calls [$1].
MADDY_MONEY checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 4d, 2s, Kh ]
nostradamus9 checks.
MADDY_MONEY checks.
cashplague bets [$6].
Extratopping raises [$12].
krista21 folds.
nostradamus9 folds.
MADDY_MONEY folds.
cashplague calls [$6].
** Dealing Turn ** [ Qs ]
cashplague checks.
Extratopping bets [$20].
cashplague raises [$40].
Extratopping is all-In [$166.8]
cashplague calls [$146.8].
** Dealing River ** [ 2h ]
cashplague shows [ 4c, 4s ] a full house, Fours full of twos.
Extratopping doesn't show [ Qd, Kd ] two pairs, kings and queens.
cashplague wins $404.6 from the main pot with a full house, Fours full of twos.
>You have options at Table 36682 Table!.

That's a toughie, think I would be losing my stack on that too.

2 pair is the devil. I hate 2 pair with a passion. I never seem to win with 2 pair and always seem to lose to a straight draw catching. Hate it.

Hey aces.... did you make your way over to the 1000 NL tables yet like it sounded like you were going to do in another thread?

***** Hand History for Game 1668466849 *****
$200 NL Hold'em - Tuesday, March 01, 15:58:51 EDT 2005
Table Table 36734 (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: eggman10 ( $300.55 )
Seat 2: MADDY_MONEY ( $258.5 )
Seat 3: Mathmos ( $218.85 )
Seat 4: JustKorn ( $200 )
Seat 5: Im_FOXY_ROXY ( $124.35 )
Seat 6: Morinfen ( $197 )
Seat 7: frodawg213 ( $349.7 )
Seat 8: yodilly ( $367.08 )
Seat 9: fuman999 ( $200.05 )
Seat 10: Extratopping ( $200 )
Im_FOXY_ROXY posts small blind [$1].
>You have options at Table 36543 Table!.
Morinfen posts big blind [$2].
Extratopping posts big blind [$2].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Extratopping [ 5h 5d ]
frodawg213 folds.
yodilly folds.
fuman999 raises [$11].
Extratopping calls [$9].
eggman10 folds.
Mathmos folds.
Im_FOXY_ROXY folds.
Morinfen folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Ts, 3d, 5s ]
fuman999 bets [$23].
>You have options at Table 36543 Table!.
Extratopping calls [$23].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 5c ]
fuman999 bets [$60].
Extratopping calls [$60].
** Dealing River ** [ 2s ]
>You have options at Table 36682 Table!.
fuman999 checks.
Mathmos: wow
Extratopping is all-In [$106]
fuman999 calls [$106].
fuman999 shows [ Kh, Kc ] two pairs, kings and fives.
Extratopping shows [ 5h, 5d ] four of a kind, fives.
Extratopping wins $400 from the main pot with four of a kind, fives.

With the new blinds on PP Ill make this call preflop all day long......

Oh man these new blinds are great!

***** Hand History for Game 1668515669 *****
$200 NL Hold'em - Tuesday, March 01, 16:09:59 EDT 2005
Table Table 36543 (Real Money)
Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: gunter187 ( $194 )
Seat 2: ElviraWhite ( $187.4 )
Seat 3: Morinfen ( $227.55 )
Seat 4: Purinol ( $558.45 )
Seat 5: stockjock11 ( $202.35 )
Seat 6: Extratopping ( $197 )
Seat 7: MrDavid ( $248.3 )
Seat 8: otomiko2 ( $155.73 )
Seat 9: tonirichards ( $199.25 )
Seat 10: chundered ( $198 )
chundered posts small blind [$1].
gunter187 posts big blind [$2].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Extratopping [ 7c 7h ]
ElviraWhite folds.
Morinfen calls [$2].
Purinol raises [$10].
stockjock11 folds.
Extratopping calls [$10].
MrDavid folds.
otomiko2 folds.
tonirichards folds.
chundered folds.
gunter187 folds.
Morinfen calls [$8].
** Dealing Flop ** [ Qd, 7s, 2d ]
Morinfen checks.
Purinol bets [$25].
Extratopping raises [$50].
Morinfen folds.
>You have options at Table 36734 Table!.
>You have options at Table 36682 Table!.
Purinol calls [$25].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 9h ]
Purinol checks.
Extratopping bets [$100].
Purinol raises [$200].
Extratopping is all-In [$37]
** Dealing River ** [ Jh ]
Purinol shows [ Ad, Ah ] a pair of aces.
Extratopping shows [ 7c, 7h ] three of a kind, sevens.
Purinol wins $63 from side pot #1 with a pair of aces.
Extratopping wins $404 from the main pot with three of a kind, sevens.

You're getting me quickly convinced about playing any pocket pair to a raise just on the chance of hitting...At what point is the preflop raise too high for this to be worth it?

well if you know a guy has AA or KK and will not lay it if you come over the top of him I would call up to 15-20 if he has a 200 stack and I do as well. Because you are gonna hit your set one in 8.5 times and if he pays you off every time you are turning a profit.

So translating that into terms applicable at my (or any other) stakes, up to around 1/10 of the lower stack b/t yourself and your opponent (maybe a bit higher if conditions are right)?

1/10th is about the max I will go unless there are like 2 other people calling the raise cause they could pay you off too.

Of course this only apllies if you knw that the raiser has a high pair and is gonna pay you off.

If you flop the nuts and someone comes back at you dont be afraid to just put all your chips in.....Make them pay to draw.




***** Hand History for Game 1668824662 *****
$200 NL Hold'em - Tuesday, March 01, 17:17:13 EDT 2005
Table Table 36682 (Real Money)
Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 10: Extratopping ( $229.1 )
Seat 1: wendys2 ( $248.58 )
Seat 3: doggvillis ( $410.3 )
Seat 5: libby1115 ( $192.85 )
Seat 9: lochness13 ( $265.55 )
Seat 6: Aceof_Spades ( $172.5 )
Seat 7: baeringss ( $225.4 )
Seat 4: ron_dogg04 ( $177 )
Seat 2: TiMac17 ( $203.7 )
Seat 8: vcasfdny ( $200 )
Extratopping posts small blind [$1].
wendys2 posts big blind [$2].
vcasfdny posts big blind [$2].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Extratopping [ 3d 5d ]
TiMac17 calls [$2].
doggvillis calls [$2].
ron_dogg04 folds.
libby1115 folds.
Aceof_Spades folds.
baeringss folds.
>You have options at Table 36617 Table!.
>You have options at Table 36734 Table!.
vcasfdny checks.
lochness13 calls [$2].
Extratopping calls [$1].
wendys2 checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 4c, 2h, Ad ]
Extratopping checks.
wendys2 checks.
TiMac17 checks.
doggvillis checks.
vcasfdny bets [$15].
lochness13 folds.
Extratopping raises [$45].
wendys2 folds.
TiMac17 folds.
doggvillis folds.
vcasfdny raises [$60].
Extratopping is all-In [$182.1]
vcasfdny is all-In [$123]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 4h ]
** Dealing River ** [ Kd ]
vcasfdny shows [ 2s, Ac ] two pairs, aces and fours.
Extratopping shows [ 3d, 5d ] a straight, ace to five.
Extratopping wins $29.1 from side pot #1 with a straight, ace to five.
Extratopping wins $405 from the main pot with a straight, ace to five.

I like that play, I try to do the same too. Nice pot. I see you playin in the $400NL so good luck. No, Im not stalking, just learning - the hand histories are sweet, they bring to mind many situations I find myself in.

How bout this hand? I pretty much just hoped I wasnt against pocket nines and figured I was ahead. Im thinkin he might have slowplayed it a lil more instead of raising off the bat - but hey I couldve been totally wrong.

Why didnt I re-raise preflop? I dont know why, I have been weak-tight with AK lately, as it has done absolutely nothing for me. Every time I bet when the usual blanks hit I get calls on the flop or allins on the turn. This is one time where it paid off - but I know, play the theory, not the results.

***** Hand History for Game 1670892586 *****
$25 NL Hold'em - Tuesday, March 01, 23:18:39 EDT 2005
Table Table 37662 (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: woodeye4u ( $7.8 )
Seat 4: wdpenny ( $24.65 )
Seat 5: MyHalitosis ( $23.5 )
Seat 7: Eddie_Aces ( $25.9 )
Seat 8: jbr1000 ( $32.05 )
Seat 9: CDroz ( $101.41 )
Seat 10: Venture6 ( $24.75 )
Seat 3: SlappYou ( $25 )
Seat 2: CrueGuns ( $9 )
Seat 6: AbberDabber ( $25 )
MyHalitosis posts small blind [$0.1].
AbberDabber posts big blind [$0.25].
CrueGuns posts big blind [$0.25].
SlappYou posts big blind [$0.25].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to SlappYou [ Ad Kh ]
>You have options at Table 36570 Table!.
Eddie_Aces folds.
jbr1000 calls [$0.25].
CDroz raises [$1].
Venture6 folds.
woodeye4u calls [$1].
CrueGuns folds.
SlappYou calls [$0.75].
wdpenny folds.
MyHalitosis calls [$0.9].
AbberDabber folds.
jbr1000 folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Kd, 9s, Ks ]
MyHalitosis checks.
CDroz checks.
>You have options at Table 36570 Table!.
woodeye4u checks.
SlappYou bets [$4.5].
MyHalitosis folds.
CDroz raises [$9].
woodeye4u folds.
SlappYou is all-In [$19.5]
CDroz calls [$15].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 5h ]
** Dealing River ** [ Jc ]
CDroz shows [ Qd, Kc ] three of a kind, kings.
SlappYou shows [ Ad, Kh ] three of a kind, kings.
SlappYou wins $50.15 from the main pot with three of a kind, kings with ace kicker.
>You have options at Table 36570 Table!.

way to go strength when strong!

It was a mistake for me not to bet the flop, right?

Hand #4372742-18461 at Accra (No Limit Hold'em)
zavo11 is at seat 0 with $13.10.
ZonaFox is at seat 1 with $13.65.
mwaller2783 is at seat 2 with $22.50 (sitting out).
HomeSchabe is at seat 3 with $23.45.
nwo4life is at seat 4 with $16.65.
Sheriffu is at seat 5 with $22.75.
ShortMidget is at seat 6 with $26.20.
eddie5 is at seat 7 with $9.35.
WCH11 is at seat 8 with $10.80.
JGB146 is at seat 9 with $3.30.
The button is at seat 5.

ShortMidget posts the small blind of $.10.
eddie5 posts the big blind of $.25.

zavo11: -- --
ZonaFox: -- --
HomeSchabe: -- --
nwo4life: -- --
Sheriffu: -- --
ShortMidget: -- --
eddie5: -- --
WCH11: -- --
JGB146: 7d 7s

Pre-flop:
WCH11 calls. JGB146 calls. zavo11 calls. ZonaFox
folds. HomeSchabe calls. nwo4life folds. Sheriffu
folds. ShortMidget calls. eddie5 checks.

Flop (board: 7h Ah 4d):
ShortMidget checks. eddie5 checks. WCH11 checks.
JGB146 checks. zavo11 checks. HomeSchabe checks.

Turn (board: 7h Ah 4d Tc):
ShortMidget checks. eddie5 checks. WCH11 bets $.25.
JGB146 raises to $.75. zavo11 folds. HomeSchabe
folds. ShortMidget folds. eddie5 folds. WCH11
calls.

River (board: 7h Ah 4d Tc As):
WCH11 checks. JGB146 bets $.90. WCH11 raises to
$1.80. JGB146 goes all-in for $2.30. WCH11 calls.

Showdown:
JGB146 shows 7d 7s.
JGB146 has 7d 7s 7h Ah As: full house, sevens full of aces.
WCH11 shows 2h Ad.
WCH11 has Ad 7h Ah Tc As: three aces.

Hand #4372742-18461 Summary:
$.35 is raked from a pot of $7.60.
JGB146 wins $7.25 with full house, sevens full of aces.

Not at all gotta switch it up between betting the flop and not betting the flop. Key in NL is dont be predictable.

Value betting requires an actual bet.

Hand #4372742-18545 at Accra (No Limit Hold'em)

boon63 is at seat 2 with $9.75.
slickroc is at seat 3 with $31.65.
DerrickA is at seat 4 with $13.05.
Easymoney42 is at seat 5 with $18.40.
MakeUtap is at seat 6 with $23.10.
Boobylip is at seat 7 with $15.10.
AAAA5 is at seat 8 with $9.75.
JGB146 is at seat 9 with $17.90.
The button is at seat 5.

MakeUtap posts the small blind of $.10.
Boobylip posts the big blind of $.25.

boon63: -- --
slickroc: -- --
DerrickA: -- --
Easymoney42: -- --
MakeUtap: -- --
Boobylip: -- --
AAAA5: -- --
JGB146: 8h 8s

Pre-flop:
AAAA5 raises to $.50. JGB146 calls. boon63 folds.
slickroc calls. DerrickA folds. Easymoney42 folds.
MakeUtap calls. Boobylip folds.

Flop (board: 9h 7c Th):
MakeUtap bets $.75. AAAA5 calls. JGB146 calls.
slickroc folds.

Turn (board: 9h 7c Th Js):
MakeUtap bets $4.50. AAAA5 folds. JGB146 raises to
$9. MakeUtap calls.

River (board: 9h 7c Th Js 9c):
MakeUtap checks. JGB146 goes all-in for $7.65.
MakeUtap calls.

Showdown:
JGB146 shows 8h 8s.
JGB146 has 8h 9h 7c Th Js: straight, jack high.
MakeUtap mucks cards.
(MakeUtap has Jd Td.)

Hand #4372742-18545 Summary:
$1.85 is raked from a pot of $37.80.
JGB146 wins $35.95 with straight, jack high.

Last post hijiacking your thread (for now :) )

Was I mistaken to be aggressive here? I almost feel that's a stupid question, but with the pair showing...gives a lot of potential for someone to have me beat, or draw to that.

Hand #4372648-25875 at Cali (No Limit Hold'em)
PriMal is at seat 0 with $24.15.
JGB146 is at seat 2 with $3.05.

JGB146 posts the big blind of $.25.
JGB146: 7c 3h

Pre-flop:
cadson folds. teflon88 folds. babystraight folds.
dave fingers folds. quintandnae calls. PriMal
calls. hoppers69 calls. JGB146 checks.

Flop (board: 7h Jc 7s):
hoppers69 checks. JGB146 checks. quintandnae
checks. PriMal bets $1.50. hoppers69 folds.
JGB146 goes all-in for $2.80. quintandnae folds.
PriMal calls.

Turn (board: 7h Jc 7s Qc):
(no action in this round)

River (board: 7h Jc 7s Qc Jd):
(no action in this round)

Showdown:
JGB146 shows 7c 3h.
JGB146 has 7c 7h Jc 7s Jd: full house, sevens full of jacks.
PriMal shows Js 9c.
PriMal has Js 7h Jc 7s Jd: full house, jacks full of sevens.

Hand #4372648-25875 Summary:
$.30 is raked from a pot of $6.60.
PriMal wins $6.30 with full house, jacks full of sevens.

Why was that last hand not a split pot? You both had the exact same full house.

Quote:

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Originally Posted by mcpeepants

Why was that last hand not a split pot? You both had the exact same full house.

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No we didn't. I had 777JJ. He had JJJ77. The cards that he had 3 of were bigger than those that I had three of.

Oops, misread. My mistake.

Example of When you know tha that you have a hyper agressive player yet to act who will steal at the first sign of weakness....So I just limped with my KK her realizing he raises here 75% of the time....The results didnt turn out good but thats not improtant whats important is I got him to push when he was owned.

***** Hand History for Game 1680463600 *****
$200 NL Hold'em - Thursday, March 03, 20:50:53 EDT 2005
Table Table 36617 (Real Money)
Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: Poker_jedi ( $217.95 )
Seat 2: bladgeron ( $292.3 )
Seat 3: Dr_Jellyfngr ( $81.8 )
Seat 4: MasterMind62 ( $273.95 )
Seat 5: wassup1294 ( $201 )
Seat 6: Groodan ( $438.45 )
Seat 7: SHA18676 ( $277.45 )
Seat 8: Clarice954 ( $203.55 )
Seat 9: Extratopping ( $232 )
Seat 10: Jaffrey ( $158.35 )
Jaffrey posts small blind [$1].
Poker_jedi posts big blind [$2].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Extratopping [ Kh Kc ]
bladgeron folds.
Dr_Jellyfngr calls [$2].
MasterMind62 calls [$2].
wassup1294 folds.
Groodan folds.
>You have options at Table 36705 Table!.
SHA18676 raises [$5].
Clarice954 folds.
>You have options at Table 36705 Table!.
Extratopping calls [$5].
Jaffrey folds.
>You have options at Table 36705 Table!.
Poker_jedi raises [$198].
Dr_Jellyfngr folds.
MasterMind62 folds.
SHA18676: ur da mannnnnnnnn
SHA18676 folds.
Extratopping is all-In [$227]
>You have options at Table 36705 Table!.
>You have options at Table 36734 Table!.
>You have options at Table 36682 Table!.
Poker_jedi is all-In [$17.95]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 4d, 9s, 5s ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 6h ]
SHA18676: hahahahaha
** Dealing River ** [ As ]
Poker_jedi shows [ Ks, Ah ] a pair of aces.
Extratopping shows [ Kh, Kc ] a pair of kings.
Extratopping wins $14.05 from side pot #1 with a pair of kings.
Poker_jedi wins $442.9 from the main pot with a pair of aces.
lol

damn thats a tough one. Is pokerjedi a good player?

He is usually but he was on hardcore tilt tonight.