So, as a side note of the crap happening here...how's it going to affect the websites that deal with online poker. Will the loss of the US players hurt those websites in the long term?
So, as a side note of the crap happening here...how's it going to affect the websites that deal with online poker. Will the loss of the US players hurt those websites in the long term?
PartyPoker seems to be doing not too bad for the last few years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trons
It will obviously hurt the poker rooms as there are less players, meaning less rake. Before this shit hit the fan, Stars were rolling in around $1.5m a day. Americans don't even make up the bulk of Stars' traffic, that honour goes to Europe, so I imagine they're still raking in over $1m a day. That's still a very viable business.
Stars WAS rolling like 8million a day. They'll still be rolling like 5.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
I wasn't talking about the poker rooms...I am talking about the side businesses that are associated with online poker...Forums, books, rakeback sites, ect.
Is this true? Source?Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
I think on the bright side the commune will stay alive. I don't think any of us play poker anyway. Just replace the poker site ads with porn site ads. Ez game.
FlopTitsRiver?
comparing an entire continent vs. country imo. semi apples to oranges. this is going to be fairly catastrophic to some sites no matter what the outcome because of this. there's been a shitload of estimates thrown around of what % of the poker stars market that americans comprise but numbers between 25-40 percent have been quite common.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
fypQuote:
Originally Posted by Icanhastreebet
I would wager your numbers are inaccurate.Quote:
Originally Posted by spoonitnow
Last two Pokerstars Sunday millions:
April 10th (pre-black friday) 1.5M guaranteed, 8273 entrants (155k over the gtd amount)
April 17th (post-black friday) 1M guaranteed, 6475 entrants (295k over the gtd amount)
They only lowered the guaranteed by 33%, and they cleared that guarantee by a higher margin. There were 22% less players this Sunday, but the guarantee was also much lower.
So I'd guess that USA players made up 20-25% of the Sunday million player pool. Could likely extrapolate this somewhat accurately to the whole site.
Pfft, I'm just regurgitating stuff I read, I can't be bothered to trawl through the countless articles I've read since this shit hit the fan, most of it is probably shit. dthorne04 made a good point though, I'm comparing a country to a continent, it should come as no surprise that the population of an entire continent makes up more of the traffic that a single large country. I can't remember where I got those numbers from relating to stars' profits either, clearly it's misinformation. If they're making more than what I read, then it makes continued business even more viable, it would be insane to walk away from a multi-million-dollar-a-day business just because they've lost like 25% or whatever of their market. From the perspective of someone outside of America, this whole episode should be of no direct concern.Quote:
Originally Posted by BennyLaRue
I do feel for you guys in USA though, I thought this would've blown over within a day or three. Looks like this is going to drag on.
Meh, it's the weekend, we're pretty fucking lazy on the weekends, as a country.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
Its just a matter of time before the USA regulates online poker for Americans...Of course they want to tax it and get their cut because the government needs more money..The Feds want there hands in everything,Auto insursance,health care, etc..
halo/black ops games gonna get tougher
i lul'edQuote:
Originally Posted by lolzzz_321
We need Diablo 3 imo
Yea I just confiscated my PS3 back from my friend after basically letting him own it for the last 9 months. Now just waiting on Skyrim to come out...
Portal 2 came out mofo. Get it!
You know what's really fucked up? Last night I was playing poker with a Chineseman and a Vietnamese.
America, Land of the Free.
"And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave!"
oh fuck yesQuote:
Originally Posted by BooG690
MW2...we're playing games of skill aren't we?
Haha this reputation thing is awesome, someone negged me because I said "Chineseman"... like seriously, is something wrong with that term? Should I use simply "Chinese"? Or "Chinaman"? All three get widely used in the UK, I don't know about other countries. For fuck's sake people, what's wrong with you all? I'm gonna start negging people for inappropriate use of apostrophes.
Dude, Chinaman is not the preferred nomenclature. Asian-American, please.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
I don't mind the neg for whining. That one is fair.
Dude, someone from China is NOT an asian-american.Quote:
Originally Posted by BennyLaRue
:p
Hey, guess who just failed Pop Culture 101?Quote:
Originally Posted by DoubleJ
Dunno mate. Never heard of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by BennyLaRue
But you're right to point out that "Chinaman" is not the correct term to describe someone from China.
It's the correct term to describe the stock delivery of a left-arm "unorthodox" spin bowler.
Hope everything's clear now.
Let's play a game...
He is English. He is an Englishman.
He is Chinese. He is a _______?
dirty chink?Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
The chinaman is not the issue here, dude!Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
And forget it, d0zer, you're out of your element.
Yeh, but that's the beauty of the English language, innit?Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
There aren't equivalent compound terms applicable for every case:-
- He is Russian, so he is a Russianman? Nope
- He is German, so he is a Germanman? Nope
It seems that Englishman, Scotsman, Irishman, Welshman and [oddly] Frenchman are the exceptions rather than the rule.
Also, according to the OED, there's no such word as "Chineseman", and I must say I've never heard it used before.
"Chinaman" I've heard as a Cricketing term.
Or on Kung-Fu with David Carradine.
Chinaman is fine to describe a man from China (if a little outdated). It is where the bowling term comes from ldo.
from the marvel of Google:
In cricketing parlance, the word "Chinaman" is used to describe the stock delivery of a left-arm "unorthodox" spin bowler. The name has its origins in a Test match played between the West Indies and England at Old Trafford, Manchester, in the year 1933. Elliss "Puss" Achong, a player of Chinese origin, was a left-arm orthodox spinner, playing for the West Indies at the time. According to folklore, Achong is said to have had Walter Robbins stumped off a surprise delivery that spun into the right hander from outside the off stump. As he walked back to the pavilion, Robbins said to his teammates "Fancy being done by a bloody chinaman!", leading to the popularity of the term in England, and subsequently, in the rest of the world.
Perfectly acceptable, as in "Your Chinaman is generally good at maths but not very well endowed, basically the opposite of your mahogany specimen."
The beauty of the English language indeed. The irony is, of course, I actually haven't got a clue which term is correct for someone from China. And I'm fucking English, and I always paid attention at school.
I played cards last night against a Chinese.
It doesn't sound complete. Maybe this is why we coined the phrase Chinky.
Just call them Orientals and piss the whole lot of them off.
Orientals. I don't think that is offensive in this country. We tend to use that word to describe the good Asians, ie the ones from China and Japan.
I had a dentist who was a chinaman. I asked "Can I get an appointment?".
He said "Two Thirty?"
I said "Yes, tooth hurty, thats why I rang"
what the bloody hell happened to this thread
Also, I believe the chinese prefer the term 'factory worker'. Or possibly 'chopstick chan'
Do chinks get dizzy when spun?
It's really funny how the same term can cause varying degrees of offense depending on where it is uttered. Calling an Asian person "Oriental" is like calling a black person "Colored." At least that is the case in the US.
What is an Asian? Does it include people from say India?
Technically, yes, as that is part of Asia. However, no, it is never used like that. There isn't really a non-offensive word that groups people from that region. Like Most of the mid-east is in Asia (I say most since Egypt, etc, are often considered part of the mid-east) but people from there are called "Middle Eastern", not "Asian." For countries like India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Burma, etc, there isn't really a term to call those people aside from "Indian, Pakistani, etc" respectively.Quote:
Originally Posted by DanAronG
Actually, the same goes for the former Soviet countries in Asia, like Uzbekistan.
Is it offensive to say here is my friend from the Asiatic region of the globe?
You know, I actually take that back.
I'm a Cracker. I take offense when parrots say they want me.
I think the fact that the name of a region or country that you might hail from or your ancestors did can be considered a slight... people need to chill.
Oh well, eventually there will be no distinction among the races... but until then I'm a redneck hillbilly cracker.
I'm not sure you have the right to take that title away from them. We need more asians on here to give an opinion (asians being Pakistani/Indian etc as opposed to chiese or Korean etc)Quote:
Originally Posted by boost
And what's wrong with the term oriental? Is that only allowed for inanimate objects? Who does it offend? Is that like people calling me British?
Dictionary
Search Results
o·ri·en·talnoun /ˌôrēˈentl/
orientals, plural
- A person of Far Eastern descent
adjective /ˌôrēˈentl/
- Of, from, or characteristic of the Far East
- - oriental rugs
- Of, from, or characteristic of the countries of Asia
- Of, relating to, or denoting a zoogeographical region comprising Asia south of the Himalayas and Indonesia west of Wallace's line. Distinctive animals include pandas, gibbons, tree shrews, tarsiers, and moonrats
Apparently, they don't consider themselves of or from the Orient. They may tend to feel better titles should be used.
As a white person just like yourself, I don't think anything is wrong with it.
I am just being a bit contrariwise, but I was sternly corrected on the point recently and it stuck with me. "They don't like to be called Orientals."
It's quite pathetic how people get offended over how we describe each other. I mean seriously, we (meaning society as a whole, not just FTRers) should as a group come up with acceptable terms to use for descibing everyone, in terms of ethnicity, height, weight, hair colour, baldness and everything else. Otherwise, how am I supposed to narrow down my porn search results?
Oriental is an old school way of calling them Asians. The only time I hear that word now is from my grandparents. I would say that it is slightly offensive here in Vancouver.
I think it is completely unfair for you to call people's sensitivities "pathetic" when you yourself are not subjected to the same sensitivities. The offense comes from the fact that the initial grouping was done by oppressive or elitist cultures to categorize cultures they dominated and/or felt superior to. For example, "negro" doesn't really carry any negative meaning as a word, except that it was implemented as a way to describe black people by their oppressors.
Being a white Englishman it is no surprise that you are deft to the idea that using these labels can rightfully cause great offense.
BooG690 likes this.Quote:
Originally Posted by boost
Well boost, being an asian (I think) in a society that panders to the needs of everyone's littlest sensitivity it's no surprise you're overly sympathetic.Quote:
Originally Posted by boost
Whilst I completely agree with your point, where does one draw the line? In the example you used above, you are stating that the historic derogatory use of the word has lead to the current offence attached to the term. I am fully aware through books, films and education of the way black people have been treated and the terms that have become offensive on the grounds of that. I do not use words such as Negro or any variation of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by boost
I am not however fully aware of who may have dominated and controlled various different parts of asia or the terminoilogy such people may have used. You could argue that perhaps I should learn more. But I disagree. I don't intend to learn the histories of every dam country in the world, I have neither the time nor the desire. Or perhaps should we learn the history of every country and nation while in school? There are a hell of a lot of tribes and nations out there and it would probably be a bit too much of an ask to cover all of them, so maybe just groups who make up a certain percentage of the country you are educated in? But then what if we have an increase in immigration from a particular country? What exactly should be knocked off the syllabus to ensure a random group are not offended?
Whilst I completely agree in removing racism from our world, I also think it is acceptable to want to be able to describe someone. If I was held up in a bank robbery by an a group of asians, I wouldn't know how to describe the origin of my attackers in any detail without potentially offending someone. That can't be right. If a particular group doesn't want to be called a certain term, they should make sure everyone is aware of this and why and what they would like to be called.
I do not know how to differentiate between a person from Vietnam, Malaysia or Thailand based on looks alone. I do not know how to differentiate between black people from Botswana or Zambia on looks alone. I do not know how to differentiate between white people from France and Germany on looks alone. It seems it is perfectly acceptable to call the second group black, it is perfectly acceptable to call the third group white. I have no idea what I would call the first group accept asian, which gives no real idea as to who the fuck has robbed the bank.
FWIW, I never use the term oriental in describing someone and certainly won't now I know it's potentailly offensive. I guess my point is I think people can be a bit too sensitive. If a term is universally accepted as offensive (ie the "negro" example you used) and is still used then you can't complain when someone is offended. But if a word that is still used for decriptive reasons with regard to objects and isn't commonly known as being offensive is used and no offence is intended what so ever, then it is a bit pathetic to be offended.
I can only imagine the term "American" will be next. I can't think of any place of origin that has as many negative connotations with it. The term American is generally associated with being loud mouthed, brash, arrogant, self centered, rude and liable to offend. If I was from Alaska say, would I really want to be known as American? Associating me with those gun toting, racist rednecks from the south?
I am almost certain this post is likely to have pissed someone off. That's not my intention. I just go annoyed by the "white Englishman" comment.
O rly? How about the history of your own country? The Battle of Plassey ftw!Quote:
Originally Posted by DanAronG
Also...dam country...The Netherlands?
Do you find it hard to keep up with the latest fashion trends? What about trends in popular media or politics? Or is it just references to races that leave you bewildered?Quote:
Originally Posted by DanAronG
You accidentally used a term you thought was inoffensive which turned out to be offensive. It's no big deal, it happens, no-one thinks you're racist as a result, say 'my bad', note the term for future reference and move on. There's no need to post reams of ridiculous bumfuck about cultural sensitivity to justify your use of the word.
Just for reference, in the UK 'Asian' refers specifically to South Asians as that's where the majority of asian immigrants to the UK come from.Quote:
Originally Posted by boost
British Asian - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
btw, epic derailment everyone, you should be proud
Meh, as somebody of Japanese descent I don't really care about the word "oriental" too much. It strikes me as a bit vague and dated, like "coloured", and smells of ignorance, and yet it's not enough to make me mad.
I come from Canada and according to Wikipedia, it's considered an offensive term there (had no idea).
Orient - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
edit: and where I am now in Germany, Orient refers to near-East, like Persia and Arab World. So meh. Probably safest to go with estimated continent/region of origin - East Asian, North African, Eastern European....
My friend used to date a Chinese girl and whenever we played monopoly if she landed on Oriental avenue he would always snicker, point at her, and say "Oriental". That seemed to piss her off. Not sure if it was because of the use of the term or just because he was a jackass.
Whatever the case, it never failed to make me laugh.
haha clicking around on the web led me here:Quote:
Originally Posted by Galapogos
Ghettopoly - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Oriental Avenue? You must be playing some weird version.
You fucking Merkins can't leave a classic alone, can you?
My friend has that Ghettopoly, it caused a shitstorm over here when it was released and was promptly banned. My friend refuses to play it because it's worth money.
Weird version? wat? Oriental comes right after reading railroad...I'm 99% sure that is the standard North American version.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
Reading Railroad? Wat? Definitely a weird version. I bet the currency is a weird one too, like deniros or dollars or something.Quote:
Originally Posted by JL
http://youtomb.mit.edu/thumbnail/You...fd8f4bbb0a.jpg
Seriously though, as a resident of the USA, I'm deeply offended by being called an American. It's omg so offensive like so srz rite nao.
Will probably get bashed for this, but Dan is right, people need to settle the fuck down. I understand racism is a big deal to some people still, but jfc. Ol' Billy Bob doesn't give a fuck if you call him a shotgun wielding, NASCAR fanboy, Busch Light chuggin, fatass redneck (ok some might) but being called an 'Oriental' should seriously not be offensive. -____- Gook, chink, etc is offensive, but lolOriental.
Idk maybe I'm just a boorish, uneducated 'Murkican.
I don't take offense to any of it but yeah this is a pretty dumb opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roid_Rage
I'm a Neo-Nazi super racist, what can I say
Basically the point I'm making is people need to not be so sensitive over things that aren't obviously derogatory when they are said. Like if I called someone who is obviously Asian, an Asian or Oriental, am I being racist? No. If I called an Asian a gook, chink, slant-eyes, w/e, that's obviously me being a racist dick. Yet some people of that race (or not even of that race) will get all bent out of shape about it.
Apply this to every other race, and thats what I was getting at. I just suck with the words.
Also, gtfo chink.Quote:
Originally Posted by bikes
cliffnotes for those who don't feel like reading a wall of text:
dan: . . . chineseman . . .
various ftr'ers: fwiw, that's prolly not the best term to use
dan: omg wtf, how is that offensive? whoever gets offended by that is pathetic
boost: {explanation}
dan and dustin: A;SLDJF;ALSDJF;LSU;ALKJSFD I CAN'T KEEP UP WITH ALL THE WAYS TO NOT OFFEND PEOPLE! EVERYONE NEEDS TO JUST CALM DOWN AND NOT GET ALL UP IN ARMS AND TYPING IN ALL CAPS OVER NOTHING! HOW DARE YOU CALL ME A WHITE ENGLISHMAN!!! I CAN SAY WHATEVER I WANT!
I am not Asian. And I think you are way off the mark, but I don't blame you because progress creates a sort of illusion of time. Society, in general, has progressed from being extremely insensitive, to being less insensitive. Since the status quo is at all times a state of insensitivity, then when there is progress it appears that everyone is being overly sympathetic.Quote:
Originally Posted by DanAronG
The idea that there has to be a clearly defined line drawn on the issue is a logical fallacy.. language is fluid and ever changing. If you don't care to keep up with it, then fine-- but know that there are words for people who don't bother to put any effort towards recognizing and acting in accordance with people's sensitivities... asshole, douchebag, etc.Quote:
Whilst I completely agree with your point, where does one draw the line? In the example you used above, you are stating that the historic derogatory use of the word has lead to the current offence attached to the term. I am fully aware through books, films and education of the way black people have been treated and the terms that have become offensive on the grounds of that. I do not use words such as Negro or any variation of it.
I do think that it is very sad how little we learn about world history in school... and yes I will argue that you need to educate yourself more if you wish to not come across as an insensitive assclown. Do you need to know about every little conflict that has ever taken place? No.. but a good start would be learning about the events and histories of things relevant to your daily life. Does the conflict between the Hutus and the Tutsis have anything to do with your day to day life? Probably not, and so I wouldn't expect you to know about each parties sensitivities and whatnot. But if you are going to involve yourself in events/groups/whatever where there is diversity, you should probably have a decent grasp of what is offensive language to the parties represented.Quote:
I am not however fully aware of who may have dominated and controlled various different parts of asia or the terminoilogy such people may have used. You could argue that perhaps I should learn more. But I disagree. I don't intend to learn the histories of every dam country in the world, I have neither the time nor the desire. Or perhaps should we learn the history of every country and nation while in school? There are a hell of a lot of tribes and nations out there and it would probably be a bit too much of an ask to cover all of them, so maybe just groups who make up a certain percentage of the country you are educated in? But then what if we have an increase in immigration from a particular country? What exactly should be knocked off the syllabus to ensure a random group are not offended?
yes, because minorities exist as singular entities-- singular entities that send out memos describing their sensitivities in detail...Quote:
If a particular group doesn't want to be called a certain term, they should make sure everyone is aware of this and why and what they would like to be called.
Seriously though, people make mistakes and say offensive stuff... it happens, just learn from the mistake. You didn't know, now you do; act on the newly acquired knowledge.
Yes, as our society currently exists it is necessary to be able to classify people by race.. funny though that it is hard to imagine a scenario which does not involve criminal profiling in which it is a necessity. But what's your point? The fact still remains that some categorical labels are offensive.Quote:
I do not know how to differentiate between a person from Vietnam, Malaysia or Thailand based on looks alone. I do not know how to differentiate between black people from Botswana or Zambia on looks alone. I do not know how to differentiate between white people from France and Germany on looks alone. It seems it is perfectly acceptable to call the second group black, it is perfectly acceptable to call the third group white. I have no idea what I would call the first group accept asian, which gives no real idea as to who the fuck has robbed the bank.
Why are you so concerned with judging peoples right to be offended? If you feel that a particular person is overly sensitive, then try to be around them less. If you find that in general people are overly sensitive, then it's probably you who is the problem.Quote:
FWIW, I never use the term oriental in describing someone and certainly won't now I know it's potentailly offensive. I guess my point is I think people can be a bit too sensitive. If a term is universally accepted as offensive (ie the "negro" example you used) and is still used then you can't complain when someone is offended. But if a word that is still used for decriptive reasons with regard to objects and isn't commonly known as being offensive is used and no offence is intended what so ever, then it is a bit pathetic to be offended.
As long as Americans are generally arrogant pricks, then in general Americans will not take offense, since they see the negative attributes they are being tagged with as positives. Think about the negative feelings people have towards rich people... they have these feelings, yet they still want to be rich themselves. Now think of a poor person... no one is thinking, "that guy is dirty, smelly and pathetic-- but I sure wish I was poor.. If I were poor, I'd be different!"Quote:
I can only imagine the term "American" will be next. I can't think of any place of origin that has as many negative connotations with it. The term American is generally associated with being loud mouthed, brash, arrogant, self centered, rude and liable to offend. If I was from Alaska say, would I really want to be known as American? Associating me with those gun toting, racist rednecks from the south?
I have not been offended, but I find it interesting that you were.. was I wrong in thinking you are a white Englishman? If I was not wrong, then why are you annoyed? Do you think my point is invalid?Quote:
I am almost certain this post is likely to have pissed someone off. That's not my intention. I just go annoyed by the "white Englishman" comment.
I still don't understand why you feel it is up to you to decide. I mean, why are "chink" and "gook" offensive?Quote:
Originally Posted by Roid_Rage
Your offensive range is too wide, you should merge it with your insensative range. Much more EV that way.
Man I miss poker.
!luck
FlopPornRiverQuote:
Originally Posted by supahaole
inorite?Quote:
Originally Posted by !Luck
Play on one of the other sites offering poker.Quote:
Originally Posted by !Luck
Quote:
Originally Posted by boost
I'm American.
Boost, I agree with e everything you just said. I only originally entered this conversation to make my porn search joke. When I responded to you the next day it was at the tail end of a hedonistic night of the type a rarely get involved in these days and I wad too fucked to do anything, desperate to sleep but to wired to close my eyes. Which left the interwebs as my only source of time wasting. I don't really agree with much of what my damaged brain sprouted off but am strangely proud of my ability to write in such a clear and coherent manner given my mental state at the time. I especially like my bit about Americans. Not sure why I had the desperate urge to have the right to categorize people, but do stand by my point that in the UK Asian typically refers ro people of say Pakistani origin and that perhaps there is a gap in the language for describing people of what Americans typically refer to ad Asian, bit who gives a Fuck.
You are right about ignorance often leading to a perceived racist remark, but I think it is also a combination of ignorance and arrogance that leads to an individual taking offence at an unintended ignorant comment.
I dunno, no real point to either my wasted rant yesterday or my post today. Why can't we just love each other and get along.
And boost isn't Asian?
Boost is a blonde haired, blue eyed Dutchman. You couldn't have been more off.Quote:
Originally Posted by DanAronG
Ah crap, I just fell into the racist trap by referring to him as a Dutchman instead of Netherlander.
Fuckin' Canadians amirite.
I think they decide those terms are offensive. Chinky is fairly widely used in this country to refer to their food, ie "I'm huingry, shall we have an Indian or a Chinky?" But just because it's common, I think it would be a stupid idea to use that term within earshot of those who are going to cook your food.Quote:
Originally Posted by boost
Gook is highly offensive. That'll be because the Yanks used that term a lot during the Vietnam war.
Oriental is not offensive, no more than calling us guys westerners. I don't particularly like being referred to as a westerner, but I'm hardly going to cry racism. I also prefer English over Briton, there are cultural differences between us and the Jocks, the Hun and the Taffies, and they all hate the English.
Me and a friend made up a racist slur. We were sick of hearing people refer to the good people of India as "Pakis", it's highly ignorant and massively disrespectful, since the Indians tend to really hate Pakistanis, so we came up with our own insult for the Indians, as a show of respect... Bollywog. I would hope even Indians find that one funny.
Urban Dictionary: bollywog
Pfft, some Mick is taking the credit for our moment of genius. We had this discussion in 2007 as a result of the national outrage after Jade Goody (fat English nobody who everyone hated until she got cancer, at which point she became a brave national heroine etc) got into an argument with Shilpa Sheppy (beautiful Indian godess) and called her a Paki on live national TV.
We should make a universal slur for all races, creeds, sects and sorts.
Like fleshface or grunt.
Shut up you homo-sapien banana eating mokey-features.
I've got it! We'll call the whole lot of em OngBongas. That name would piss me off to no end.
"People suck, and that's my contention. I can prove it on a scratch paper and pen. Give me a fucking Etch-a-sketch, I'll do it in three minutes. The proof, the fact, the factorum. I'll show my work, case closed. We're a virus with shoes, okay? That's all we are."
William Melvin "Bill" Hicks, 1997.
I would like to make it clear that I believe this person is absolutely *not* representative of a typical UK citizen.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
That is all.
Also, obv this isn't true either.Quote:
Chinky is fairly widely used in this country to refer to their food, ie "I'm huingry, shall we have an Indian or a Chinky?"
If by "widely used" he actually means him, his two friends, some old people and a few *hugely minority* racist types then fine.
Sadly, from what I experienced as a foreign student in the UK, such rampant racism wouldn't even surprise me at all. It's hard to describe, but when you're part of a minority, you have a weird 6th sense for it, so you can feel its presence even if nobody comes up to you and overtly commits racial hate crime against you. All I can say is in England, the undercurrents of racial hatred (or at least resentment) are much stronger there than for example where I am now in Berlin (can't speak for smaller towns in Germany), or where I grew up in Canada.Quote:
Originally Posted by kevster
Oh come on Kevster. Hugely minority racist types? You're living in a bubble. Words are not racist, feelings are racist. I happen to like the Chinese as a race a damn lot more than Americans. My feelings towards the Chinese is they are superior to us. Am I still racist? Maybe towards the inferior white.
I'm not sure where in the UK you are, but I doubt very much that me and my two mates are the only people who call a Chinese takeaway a chinky. I think you should get out into town this evening, have a look at the beer boys causing trouble, and tell me where the real problem in this fucking country is.
That's a compliment. Thank you.Quote:
Originally Posted by kevster
American is not a race. China is a much more racially homogenous country but even there they recognise 55 minority groups within the "Chinese" people.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
No, fair comment. I'll rephrase for those who wish to be particular about language... I like Chinese nationals more than I like American nationals, generally speaking. Americans I find to be arrogant and over-sensetive to offensive words, and not sensetive enough to offensive actions. Much like the British. It's all very well going to Afghanistan and Iraq to kill Muslims and steal their oil, so long as we don't call them names. Fucked up.Quote:
Originally Posted by eugmac
Careful with this too. One group having a "feeling" that the "others" may be better than them is just as dangerous a form of racism if not more IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
Isn't this the root cause of "they're coming to TAKE OUR JOBS"?
FWIW in my circle of friends the term Chinky isn't acceptable either.Quote:
Originally Posted by kevster
eugmac, I'm curious, whereabouts in England did you live? How isolated was the racial resentment you detected?
I lived in Manchester. To be fair, it wasn't *everywhere* that I felt this way, just among certain circles of people, at times from people who come from well-off or very well-off families, and if it involves random verbal abuse on the street, people from the other end of the social ladder...Quote:
Originally Posted by Ash256
I'm glad someone notices when I'm actually racist. Saying I like them more than Americans is racist. Referring to my crispy shredded beef and egg fried rice as a chinky is most certainly not.Quote:
Originally Posted by eugmac
"Making up racist slurs is not funny" (-rep quote)
May I ask the person who said this... do you find South Park funny? I watched one last night, and Cartman was the dark overlord's pet, called Coon. Is casual racism acceptable when it's on TV in cartoon form?
This thread turned into a shit storm.
Why isn't OngBonga banned, or at least tempbanned, yet? He's probably offending a shitton of lurkers in the commune that don't want to speak up and seem to ruin the 'joke' going on in the commune.