hmm, tips for PS 100K?

well i ended up winning a 2$ satelite to the pokerstars sunday 100k tourney

only thing is, i think im gonna be completely out of the skill level, ive gone from playing 2$nl, to playing in a 100k tournament, which makes me smile just thinking about it, but i dont wanna get run over by the competition, is there anything i can do to prepare myself? or any books, articles, videos, ANYTHING at all that will help give me an advantage, how ever small it may be, i just really dont wanna donk away a chance to win some REAL money...any tips/suggestions are more then welcome

thanks in advance
-smitts-

Trade for T$

I play the Sunday Million with FPPs every now and then. It's a pretty big crapshoot.

Well I would say hit up the MTT forum and read everything there. But yeah another option is to unregister from the tourney (Requests > Registered in Tournies > Unreg) and you should get $11T. From there you can get an FTRer to buy it from you for usually $11 and that'll be added to your BR as good ole' regular money.

Up to you whether you want to take a shot at the bigger money.

Also as a side note. There are 210 fpp SNGs under SNG > Satellites that the prize is this entry. Alot of peeps grind the 210s with their fpps as it's generally better than the bonus.

well im definately entering the tournament, it only cost me 2$ i might as well take my chances

but should i look at it like i look at any MTT, or should i play more aggressive or passive, im assuming the competition will be much better then at the .10-2$ MTT's am i correct in assuming this, although it is only a 11$ entry a lot of donks can afford that, i donno maybe im just stressing my self out, and i should just be happy i won the satelite and am givin the chance to turn my 2$ into 200$ or 2000$ , thanks for the input guys

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well i ended up winning a 2$ satelite to the pokerstars sunday 100k tourney

, is there anything i can do to prepare myself? or any books, articles, videos, ANYTHING at all that will help give me an advantage, how ever small it may be,

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nice work!
1) if you don't know what m is, then find out.
2) Read the stickies in the MTT and SNG forums.
3) Play strong hands fast
4) get dealt aces loads

hope you make it big!!! best of luck to ya...

thx daven, i hope i get dealt aces as much i did tonight, i saw them atleast 4-5 times, at one point i was dealt in sequence QQ, AA, KK all in a row, it was awesome

but thats my plans for otmorrow is to read all the stickies and posts in the MTT area

i know that M has to do with stacksize to blinds+ante, but thats about all i know, if any1 could elaborate on this would be great

smitts187, congrats on your satellite to the 100k. however, do NOT be intimidated, this tournament is one of the biggest crapshoots you will ever play in. the players are horrid and you will find little to no difference from this compared to any $2 tournament. the only thing is the field is always HUGE and the variance will be big, but i think playing in it will be nice for experience and for a shot at some monies. gl to ya!

So assuming you know BR management, you played a $2 toruney meaning you have $200BR. But playing $2NL means you have a <$50 BR, So either you played out of your BR after all the discussions everyone has had with your threads or you need to move up in stakes. I am going to assume the former and tell you that with only a $50 BR, don't play $2 tourneys and take the $11 T$. Trade with someone and put it towards your BR. 5.5 buyins at your level is much more important than trying to play out of your league and maybe winning a couple bucks if your lucky, to just move up and lose it with out the skills anyway.

How hard do you think you are going to have to work to make 5.5 buyins? Have you ever made that many?

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So assuming you know BR management, you played a $2 toruney meaning you have $200BR. But playing $2NL means you have a <$50 BR, So either you played out of your BR after all the discussions everyone has had with your threads or you need to move up in stakes. I am going to assume the former and tell you that with only a $50 BR, don't play $2 tourneys and take the $11 T$. Trade with someone and put it towards your BR. 5.5 buyins at your level is much more important than trying to play out of your league and maybe winning a couple bucks if your lucky, to just move up and lose it with out the skills anyway.

How hard do you think you are going to have to work to make 5.5 buyins? Have you ever made that many?

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This.

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So assuming you know BR management, you played a $2 toruney meaning you have $200BR. But playing $2NL means you have a <$50 BR, So either you played out of your BR after all the discussions everyone has had with your threads or you need to move up in stakes. I am going to assume the former and tell you that with only a $50 BR, don't play $2 tourneys and take the $11 T$. Trade with someone and put it towards your BR. 5.5 buyins at your level is much more important than trying to play out of your league and maybe winning a couple bucks if your lucky, to just move up and lose it with out the skills anyway.

How hard do you think you are going to have to work to make 5.5 buyins? Have you ever made that many?

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He chopped a $.25 tourney for $120ish I think, so he has a decent roll. I think he said he didn't want to move up to 5nl as most of his money came from the tourney win and he doesn't have much cash game experience yet (so moving acting like this would be 5.5 buyins at 5nl wouldn't be good because he doesn't need more money in his roll he needs more cash game experience). I really don't think one would need 100xBuyins for a $2.20 4 table satellite tourney (the players in these are horrible donks hoping to turn $2.20 into $25k or whatever 1st place is in the 100k). I say go for it smitts, you did earn it after all. From my brief experiences in $4.40/180mans (I assume this tourney plays somewhat like these) I would say play supper tight in the beginning and don't slow play ever in the beginning. I really don't think you will be outclassed or anything, just play like you played the $.25 tourney, by that I mean chop and come in second :D.

thx animal, thats kinda my look on it right now, i mean ive made this all from 1$, so why not give it a shot u know, on monday i will be depositing 50$ into another site, to start there as well, but as bad as i do in cash games, i usually do really well in MTT's, im either out in the middle, or i make it pretty deep, so im definately gonna try for this tourney, if i lose, meh its a BI for 2nl, not too significant in my view, anyway thx again for all the comments, but either way, im entering the tourney, that was what this thread was about, tips to PLAY it, not unreg and get the 11$, i could have come up with that decision myself, so now i am patiently awaiting sunday, and hoping for the best

I played in this once (when I was on a heater and thought I was king of the world after and my BR could support an entry into it... kinda) and I remember how awful the players are... the play only really starts getting better once you're ITM

the tourney lasts for like 10 hours... or well... a really friggin long time, anyways even if you're better than therest of the competition you'll prolly not get much out of it except maybe an ITM

GL though

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thx animal, thats kinda my look on it right now, i mean ive made this all from 1$, so why not give it a shot u know, on monday i will be depositing 50$ into another site, to start there as well, but as bad as i do in cash games, i usually do really well in MTT's, im either out in the middle, or i make it pretty deep, so im definately gonna try for this tourney, if i lose, meh its a BI for 2nl, not too significant in my view, anyway thx again for all the comments, but either way, im entering the tourney, that was what this thread was about, tips to PLAY it, not unreg and get the 11$, i could have come up with that decision myself, so now i am patiently awaiting sunday, and hoping for the best

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The bold is where you're seriously wrong here.

The first bold part is wrong because it's $11, not $2, so that's 5.5 buy-ins.

The second bold part is wrong because you obviously couldn't come up with the responsible decision yourself.

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i know that M has to do with stacksize to blinds+ante, but thats about all i know, if any1 could elaborate on this would be great

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take the chip cost of one orbit (bb+sb+whatever antes you will be paying)
take your stack size
me = stack/orbit cost

as your m changes you must adjust your play.

This is explained thoroughly elsewhere (most likely in those stickied threads you're going to read) so I won't bother trying to explain how you should adjust your play - others have explained it better than i can already.

as for the bankroll management debate - be very careful managing your bankroll. Go ahead and play this tourney, sure - but remember that it is costing you $11, not $2. Imagine if your $2 had got you an entry into a $1ooo buy-in tournament - would you still be playing it rather than taking the money?

anyway, best of luck!!!

If you unregister now you have $11. Thats enough for...9 $1.20 tourneys, or 5.5 buyins for 2NL.

Its not $2, its $11. Thats like saying you went on a heater at 2nl and wound up with $22 so you played a $22 tourney since "it was only $2". We want to keep our profits, not piss them away.

Anyway, play tight, take chances, p/f at the end.

Dont expect people to keep giving you advice if you're just going to ignore them.

I just realized you're asking what the fuck M is, and that makes playing the tournament even more ridiculous.

For fuck's sake don't play this tournament.

lol M

I am done offering advice. Enjoy

why are people so uptight here, its my decision whether or not i play it, i wanna give it a shot, if i lose, oh well, better luck next time, but why not try, 2 people in here said its a crapshoot, i dont expect ill make it far, but i might make ITM, thats a gamble im willing to take....but i definately do not see reasoning for people to take offense to this and not offer advice? when all i am doing is playing the game, if i lose, i lose, it happens, but whos to say i will lose, yes i probably will, but thats not written in stone...im actually kind of disapointed in the outcome of this post, i was hoping for a few pointers from people who have played this....and thanks to the people who did that, but then there is others who look down upon me for wanting to take part in the biggest tournament ive been able to play? i dont get it, but all the power to you

and by saying this i mean no offense to anyone on ftr, i just dont agree with you

Your talking about gambling. We here on FTR do not gamble.

so because i enjoy a nice gamble you wont give me advice?that seems kind of rediculous

As you'll find out (if you haven't by now) when people ask for advice here, we don't tend to answer ONLY the question asked. We also offer advice regarding any other issues we see that might improve your longterm success playing poker.

Even if you make some money doing this, it's still a poor decision to so much of your BR into a tourney. Just like you can go allin preflop with any two cards. You might win this time; you probably won't. And you DEFINATELY won't win longterm.

It all depends on your goals. If you are playing for fun and to get a thrill out of gambling, great. Have a blast. The rest of us appreciate you feeding into the "poker economy". If you would like to get good enough to make some money in the long term, BR management is probably the single most important concept you need to apply to your poker mindset at this early stage of your career.

When you refuse to accept advice that is so critical to your longterm growth and success, people won't see the point in offering any advice regarding other issues that won't affect you nearly so much.

My advice...listen to the advice that people give you. It's given with the best intentions, even if you don't fully understand it now. Now that's not to say that you need to do X just because someone on a website told you to, but you need to really think about these ideas before you just decide that it's your money and you'll do with it as you wish.

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As you'll find out (if you haven't by now) when people ask for advice here, we don't tend to answer ONLY the question asked. We also offer advice regarding any other issues we see that might improve your longterm success playing poker.

Even if you make some money doing this, it's still a poor decision to so much of your BR into a tourney. Just like you can go allin preflop with any two cards. You might win this time; you probably won't. And you DEFINATELY won't win longterm.

It all depends on your goals. If you are playing for fun and to get a thrill out of gambling, great. Have a blast. The rest of us appreciate you feeding into the "poker economy". If you would like to get good enough to make some money in the long term, BR management is probably the single most important concept you need to apply to your poker mindset at this early stage of your career.

When you refuse to accept advice that is so critical to your longterm growth and success, people won't see the point in offering any advice regarding other issues that won't affect you nearly so much.

My advice...listen to the advice that people give you. It's given with the best intentions, even if you don't fully understand it now. Now that's not to say that you need to do X just because someone on a website told you to, but you need to really think about these ideas before you just decide that it's your money and you'll do with it as you wish.

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QFT but some of you guys are being a little harsh too imo. Reeeeelllaaaaaxx he's learning the game.

Yea your right. I was just confused with the fact that he has a sig showing he wants to build a BR and has been asking a ton of questions regarding the best way to go about it. Some of us have posted several times in many of his threads and thought we were trying to accomplish something else.

It's all good, I just don't have enough time in my day to help those that don't want the help. I personally don't condone gambling, at any stakes. BR guidelines are as mentioned before, a huge part of the growing process. GL with your tourney. And good luck learning M, it may help in that tourney, from what I understand it's pretty important.

Hawkfan put it perfectly.

And smitt, don't worry about the people who tell you something in a harsh manner. You will run across those people at times, mainly because being here so long they have had to repeat themselves numerous times. However, just try to take teh advice and disregard any bad tone. Their advice is still generally sound.

And regarding what you should do. Honestly, it is your call obv. But keep in mind you have already effectively turned the $2 into $11. So if you lose it's 5.5 buyins and not just 1. And alot of good players have said the tourney is a crapshoot and they are playing better poker than you. Therfore, you'll need even more luck on your side to to get an ITM (which by itself won't be that great of an improvement over the $11).

Advice? Theres an entire MTT forum with a sticky post chock full of tactics and advice for playing MTTs. Read that.

even to be able to make it ITM you gotta be extremely lucky and avoid several suckouts and play for at least 7 hours

Remember that, the time you spend trying to stay in the tourney will be time lost in the cash games or sng's or whatever you normally play.

Also the fact that it's highly likely you could get sucked out on in the first hour of the tournament... it could be really frustrating for you if you just give away your cash (which is prolly what it will come up to)

Even the best tounrament player only makes it ITM around 50% of the time of 500 man tournament... and this tournament always has around 25000 players nowadays (am i wrong??) and a final table around 10% of the time or less (which is where the real money is).

Basically, if you bust out in the bubble and lose 11$ with nothing then you've lost a good 6 hours of play, and even if you play for 8 hours and make it ITM, you'll only get back the buy-in. Obviously there is the best case scenario where you can stay in the tournament for a while and get in fat enough to get paid back for your patience and play, but honestly if yo play in this the second best case scenario (after winning a significant ammount of money) is you get busted early in the tournament, only lose a bit of your time playing in it and realize that trying your luck in these crapshoots isn't really worth it...

gl though, you'll def need it

(btw, even if you win it and get 20k or whatever... what will you do with it? your bankroll will be hge enough to play 400NL, but you'll prolly get massacred in these games and move down the stakes at hugely fast pace... obviously you could cash it all out for yourself and spend it, but that doesn't count as "adding to your BR, which is essentially what you want to do)

Hey I have a great idea. I'll go join a $5000 tournament with a good chunk of my bankroll. So what if I do? I'll probably just lose the money, but it's not set in stone.

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Your talking about gambling. We here on FTR do not gamble.

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speak for yourself!

okay,
if he wins a satalite, (not correct on spelling)
and he wants to do it, THEN HE SHOULD DO IT
now what was the initial question...


well i ended up winning a 2$ satelite to the PokerStars sunday 100k tourney

only thing is, i think im gonna be completely out of the skill level, ive gone from playing 2$nl, to playing in a 100k tournament, which makes me smile just thinking about it, but i dont wanna get run over by the competition, is there anything i can do to prepare myself? or any books, articles, videos, ANYTHING at all that will help give me an advantage, how ever small it may be, i just really dont wanna donk away a chance to win some REAL money...any tips/suggestions are more then welcome

thanks in advance
-smitts-





NOW ANYWHERE IN THERE, DOES IT SAY, SHOULD I CASH IT OUT?
NO
now dont beat up on him for wanting to play a damn tournament he got into!

OneToughMuff - He came to the beginner's circle of an internet forum asking for advice on the tournament. We simply told him that with his skill level and the structure of the tourney it will be difficult to cash and even then it's probably less money than he would make if he played 2nl for the 7 or so hours it will take to cash.

Assuming his roll is $117 as his banner says (it may be higher I think but not too much higher), he is putting over 10.5% of his roll at risk on this tournament ($11 of $117). BR Management states that he needs somewhere around a $1k roll if he was to be buying into this event and playing it regularly ($11 * 100).

You will not find a regular on this forum that disregards BR management so much as to advice a player to put up 10% of his roll on a crapshoot of a tournament. And you shouldn't expect to!! Regulars aren't looking for a quick score. They prepare for the long run and the grind. He could run major hot and win the tourney, that's good and I'd be happy. However, it would still be a bad move as he put up too much of his roll to get that chance.

but he isnt putting much of his roll at all,
he bought in for 2 bucks,
well won that satalitte,
but still
basically buying in for 2 bucks

No. He's buying in for $11. He won the satellite. He can now unregister to the tourney and get $11 put in his account. It is no longer $2. He has effectively turned it into $11 and it should be treated as such.

If I won a satellite into the WSOP ME from playing a $10 satellite, I, at least, wouldn't consider it $10 anymore as the seat has a value much higher than that ($10k?). So I would be putting $10 at risk by not cashing rather than $10 because that $10k is now my money if I were to just sell it to someone else.

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but he isnt putting much of his roll at all,
he bought in for 2 bucks,
well won that satalitte,
but still
basically buying in for 2 bucks

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You're completely wrong here, but you probably don't really care, which makes you just as bad as OP.

ok, well that i can understand,
this is a 9$ dif
its less than an hours work*
(*varies on wage)
lol
but my point is, he didnt come here to ask if he should cash out or not,
he asked for tips on playing the tourny
because he wants to play the tourny
dont bash him if he does.

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ok, well that i can understand,
this is a 9$ dif
its less than an hours work*
(*varies on wage)
lol
but my point is, he didnt come here to ask if he should cash out or not,
he asked for tips on playing the tourny
because he wants to play the tourny
dont bash him if he does.

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At 2nl, his current level, that's a huge difference, which is the point that you and him seem not to get.

He can't just ask for advice in the tournament and magically become +EV in it. If he wants tournament advice, he should go read some damn tournament books.

The long and the short of this is that the fact that he was posting here for advice in the tourney is sufficient evidence that he should not be playing in it with his bankroll.

And fuck whoever doesn't agree with this because we are right and we don't care how you choose to piss away your bankroll.

i understand where you are coming from, saying it is no longer 2$, but at the same time, im a grown man, if i decide i want to try to play a tourney so be it, its 11$ as you say it...now think of it logically, a minimum wage job pays 8.75 an hour, so IF i was working for min wage, its less then 1 1/2 hours, i agree its a gamble yes, but fuck, if i win i win, if i lose, better luck next time, i have to thank muff for posting what he did because in a nutshell its exactly how i feel right now, i never ONCE said should i cash out, or would it be smart to cash out, i entered the satelite in the hopes of getting entry into the 100k, not hopes of winning 11$, if that was the case why would i enter a satelite, i might as well enter a sng, an anology i heard recently...if you had a chance to enter an 11$ tourney for 2$ today only, its on sale, would u take it, or let it go, im taking it, yeah it might not be the best decision for BR, but lets face it, im 20 yrs old, with a 100$ BR, not that important as i see it, thats less then 1/5 of a paycheck WEEKLY, as i said, im a grown man, and if i want to try my luck at a big tournament, i shouldnt hear people here belittling me and breaking me down saying i have no shot, it should be logical ADVICE for PLAYING the tourney, seeing as thats what i posted this for in the first place, the fact that the members here arent supportive of me in a big tournament, pushes me away, why would i want to even tell you guys about what happens, we post a hand, you guys break it down and basicly call us idiots, we post a topic, you break us down and label us stupid, one post i remember specifically is luckyslevins, ALL he said was that he enjoyed the book by phil helmuth, you disagreed and were to stubborn to realise that people each have a different look on things, thats like one person saying here i like lord of the rings novels, and another person JUST because hes read more fantasy novels, saying no, your wrong , its a horrible book, my opinion over powers yours and you have no potential of even winning this argument, thats pathetic, im almost tempted to leave this forum, yeah you have helped me bucketloads, but at the same time, what is the use if you have no self confidence at the end of the day? its a joke, literally a joke, and its not even a funny one, its a corny ass knock knock joke, i realise that a lot of you play higher stakes and thats great, but you have no position and no right to say that i am wrong for wanting to play a tournament i EARNED, again i asked for tips to play, nothing else

Calling 'rilla. Is that the biggest run on sentence in FTR history?

We take our BRM seriously around here. Think of it this why, why would we waste time helping someone almost certain to go busto due to ignoring basic tenents of winning poker?

Hi Smitts well done on winning your satelite. I've been in a couple of large tournament later stages (only a couple) as you know we are about at the same level I think. My advice would be in the later stages if you develop a half decent chipstack but are still 2 or 3 times behind chip leaders, don't think you have to take chances to increase your stack. The shortstacked chips will be thinking exactly the same thing, only they will be justified. Let them take the risks and pounce when you have very solid hands. Also don't relax when you get in the money. If anything re-evaluate and re-focus, tell yourself that is where the tournament begins. It's no good getting so far and then losing focus for 30 seconds and getting yourself busted! I'm speaking from experience here!

Also - and sorry to add to the already stated, but as a friend I would also say seriously consider the point in entering this. I know because you've qualified you're seeing it as a natural extension of the work you've put in, in the satelite, but I really think you need to view the two as completely different tournaments (which is what they are). If you had won $11 in a tournament would you instantly go and buy into a 25,000 man $11 tournament?

I know you like a gamble (so do I, that's something I've had the hardest time curbing to improve at poker)! Just from a gambling perspective you can probabally work out the odds are well and truly stacked against you.

What you did was fantastic you increased your buy in Five fold that's a great result and I take my hat off to you =).

how would you feel if you bought into a tournament for 2$ and did the same thing again cashing out at 10/11 $ you'd probabally feel great, well you can do that five times with your winnings - so the odds are nicely in your favour in a SNG. BR preservation is the most important thing I've realised that, and I'm sure you know it too! It can be hard to go against what our heart tells us when we know what we should be doing in our head (especially when other have told us so!) - but I think this is one of the things that will make a difference between a good poker player and an average hobby player that will never regularly increase their BR.

That's what I'm trying to get to by following advice on the thread and am getting there. I'm far from there at the moment don't get me wrong! The guys that are giving the advice have been where we were once and most have made the same initial mistakes, I think that's why they get quite adament and forceful with their views because they know totally that what they are saying is right and it frustrates them when people they want to do well don't follow their advice =)

Good luck whatever you decide to do Smitts! =D

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i understand where you are coming from, saying it is no longer 2$, but at the same time, im a grown man, if i decide i want to try to play a tourney so be it, its 11$ as you say it...now think of it logically, a minimum wage job pays 8.75 an hour, so IF i was working for min wage, its less then 1 1/2 hours, i agree its a gamble yes, but fuck, if i win i win, if i lose, better luck next time, i have to thank muff for posting what he did because in a nutshell its exactly how i feel right now, i never ONCE said should i cash out, or would it be smart to cash out, i entered the satelite in the hopes of getting entry into the 100k, not hopes of winning 11$, if that was the case why would i enter a satelite, i might as well enter a sng, an anology i heard recently...if you had a chance to enter an 11$ tourney for 2$ today only, its on sale, would u take it, or let it go, im taking it, yeah it might not be the best decision for BR, but lets face it, im 20 yrs old, with a 100$ BR, not that important as i see it, thats less then 1/5 of a paycheck WEEKLY, as i said, im a grown man, and if i want to try my luck at a big tournament, i shouldnt hear people here belittling me and breaking me down saying i have no shot, it should be logical ADVICE for PLAYING the tourney, seeing as thats what i posted this for in the first place, the fact that the members here arent supportive of me in a big tournament, pushes me away, why would i want to even tell you guys about what happens, we post a hand, you guys break it down and basicly call us idiots, we post a topic, you break us down and label us stupid, one post i remember specifically is luckyslevins, ALL he said was that he enjoyed the book by phil helmuth, you disagreed and were to stubborn to realise that people each have a different look on things, thats like one person saying here i like lord of the rings novels, and another person JUST because hes read more fantasy novels, saying no, your wrong , its a horrible book, my opinion over powers yours and you have no potential of even winning this argument, thats pathetic, im almost tempted to leave this forum, yeah you have helped me bucketloads, but at the same time, what is the use if you have no self confidence at the end of the day? its a joke, literally a joke, and its not even a funny one, its a corny ass knock knock joke, i realise that a lot of you play higher stakes and thats great, but you have no position and no right to say that i am wrong for wanting to play a tournament i EARNED, again i asked for tips to play, nothing else

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Yeah here's a fucking tip for you:

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And fuck whoever doesn't agree with this because we are right and we don't care how you choose to piss away your bankroll.

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yes i agree it probably is the longest run on sentence in FTR history

YOU take your BRM very seriously, yes, *claps*, if you feel you do not want to help me or give me advice for wanting to play at a higher stake, good for you, congrats, move up in your stakes and all the best to you, but its not you, its no one related to you, and its some1 you've actually never met I WILL DO WHAT I WISH WITH MY MONEY. simple.

i asked for your advice assuming (apparently incorrectly) that this was a helpful forum in w/e u needed for poker

i see now, that thats the furthest thing from the truth possible...while giving advice, you also sit on your high throne and act like the kings of the world

i have a question

some of the most popular videos on the site, bigspenda73's microstake 5nl

i watched this, he was playing 4 tables of 5nl, and when he rebought he had under 80$ in his BR, now if BRM is so important then why is he playing 5nl with an underfunded BR, and yet not one person said anything about this?

no offense to spenda because i loved his videos and learnt much from them,

but i just dont get it, why is it ok for some and not others, now i could be wrong and he could have a huge BR somewhere else in which case i would be wrong,

but either way

if you feel you dont want to help me anymore due to me wanting to play a tournament, then good luck in your career, and hope you win big, for those of you that are mature enough to look past the fact that im playing a big tourney, thanks and also good luck , but i am definately not going to change my decision based on a bunch of people i have never met that think they are poker gods, all the best to all of you, but i definately will not be posting as much anymore, its not worth being torn down and treated like shit

thanks to all the GOOD advice i recieved

Yeah here's a fucking tip for you:

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the only thing i have to say to you is:

Your an asshole, simple as that, you act as if your jesus of a pokertable

EVEN if you are good, you are arrogant, you put yourself up on a throne and think your better then every1, when your probably a fucking loser IRL, you were probably a fucking loser growing up in school, you were probably a fucking loser when you finished (IF you finished), and you'll probably be a fucking loser when you die so fuck you

fuck this site, i dont need this shit, peace the fuck out

spoon, again fuck you

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i have a question

some of the most popular videos on the site, bigspenda73's microstake 5nl

i watched this, he was playing 4 tables of 5nl, and when he rebought he had under 80$ in his BR, now if BRM is so important then why is he playing 5nl with an underfunded BR, and yet not one person said anything about this?

no offense to spenda because i loved his videos and learnt much from them,

but i just dont get it, why is it ok for some and not others, now i could be wrong and he could have a huge BR somewhere else in which case i would be wrong,

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This is wrong on so many levels.

Spendas roll was a lot higher than $80 when he made that vid, that was just the portion of the roll that was on the site (presumably stars). I played 4 $11s the other day on stars with $75 on the site, but I also had $1600 on another site. Thats BRM.


You've had lots of advice in this thread, but instead you've focused on the perfectly logical advice to follow good BRM approaches.

In case you missed it:

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Advice? Theres an entire MTT forum with a sticky post chock full of tactics and advice for playing MTTs. Read that.

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you do realize your attitude will never get you anywhere in poker smitts? seems like ur on life tilt atm -.-

I started typing a reply, but decided that the most +EV thing I could do for all parties involved (especially those not actively involved) would be to start a new thread about my reply to this situation.

http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...er-t73938.html

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you do realize your attitude will never get you anywhere in poker smitts? seems like ur on life tilt atm -.-

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no im just not gonna put up with being torn down by people who think they are above every1 else, you are all human, you all bleed the same way..as for the post before that, with me being wrong about the 80$ BR, i stated that very clearly i could be wrong, if you missed it, go read it, if you read it, and your just too stubborn to acknowledge it, then i couldnt care less, im done with this forum, this is officially my last post, thanks for the support from those who gave it, and to those who didnt, good luck in the long road of life, but treating people the way you do, will only get you so far, i was more then respectful, i never had a problem with any of you, intil you continued to treat new players badly, i am honestly sorry for what ever it is that happened to you in your life that has made you all the coldhearted people you really are, i hope to all the new members of this site, that you follow every little detail these people tell you to do, because we are robots, we have no choice, we have no decisions to make, were stupid and any time you decide something for yourself, your wrong.

i am no robot, i am perfectly able to make my own decisions


and to be honest


i couldnt give 2 shits if you think my decision is wrong

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i couldnt give 2 shits if my decision is wrong

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QFT.

we don't think it's wrong, we know it's wrong

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because we are robots, we have no choice, we have no decisions to make

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We make decisions. We just don't intentionally make -ev ones. You are making one by playing in the tourney. And an even bigger one by leaving the forum over a little e-fight. It's your choice to play in the tourney. Go for it if you wish. But just know that you ARE putting up $11, and you have incredible odds stacked against you on even cashing. Good luck though.

And as far as us offering advice that you didn't ask for, that's what we do. We hope to make you a better player and if you come here asking for advice on how to play a tourney that most of us don't think you are skilled enough (or rolled for) to be playing in it, you will hear us state that. If you don't like it fine, /thread. There is nothing wrong with you stating that you disagree, however, don't expect for a newbie poker player that hasn't proven he is a winner over a significant sample to change winning players minds on a subject regarding poker, specifically BR management.

what does qft mean?

qft = quoted for truth. There is a thread in this forum that lists alot of acronyms used online. It's in the stickies "What the hell does x mean?".

oh thanks

smitts, your attitude will get you nowhere. You will be broke soon. Have a nice day.

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like the kings of the world

i have a question

some of the most popular videos on the site, bigspenda73's microstake 5nl

i watched this, he was playing 4 tables of 5nl, and when he rebought he had under 80$ in his BR, now if BRM is so important then why is he playing 5nl with an underfunded BR, and yet not one person said anything about this?

no offense to spenda because i loved his videos and learnt much from them,

but i just dont get it, why is it ok for some and not others, now i could be wrong and he could have a huge BR somewhere else in which case i would be wrong,

thanks to all the GOOD advice i recieved

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hi smitts - his roll on the site is not the same as his overall poker bankroll. It's like me a few weeks ago playing 100nl on FullTilt with only $1500 on the site - but $xxxx on Neteller, $xxx on Everest, etc...

Also, I think all the advice you have received has been good - the tips on how to play the tournament will assist whenever you sit down to play a SnG or MTT. The tips associated with bankroll management have got a little heated - sounds like you have a sound understanding of what people are saying though, this will help when you end up playing stakes where the money starts to become material to you.

Anyway, do what you will. Staying here and posting/learning is +++EV. Maybe shut this thread down, people here are (mostly!) pretty thick-skinned and expect others to be so too. I'm used to being told when I play badly, I take no offence and instead try to learn from it.

Best of luck
Davenout.

ps I"M KING OF THE WORLD - I love screaming that sorta shit when I'm sitting out the back in deep water with big swells, terrified and excited about hitting a big wave and feeling so alive!!!

I rarely, if ever, get pms.

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When I saw that you had posted in this thread, I already knew what you'd posted.

charizard is actually a posting bot

this is all dumb

if your br is $50 and your getting the chance to increase that by 20% then you should.
Shit, if i won a seat to the $10k HU wcoop mtt id take the cash becasue id have no chance winning.

Your so dumb if you dont make the correct choice, which is being mad pretty clear to you by those people on here who have won tens of thousands of dollahs between them, not the n00bs who havent won 1k between them and think you get rich of a donkament.

every wondered why its called a donkament?

http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/5444/24619972rh1.jpg

http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/5...rsmittyun4.jpg

Double post

Well that was kind of mean imo.

not to come down on the side of the new guy here, but it sounded like he was willing to invest more money in poker than what was currently online. he claims to be making more than 500 a week working, is probably still living at home so has little to no bills. If he has the money to throw away, let him. It'll be fun.

As long as the $100 he currently has online isn't all that he has for poker, he is not necessarily practicing poor bankroll management (though he almost certainly is as I doubt he has a grand laying around to throw into poker).


I can understand being a little annoyed at someone who has been getting advice on trying to build a bankroll to then go out and do something like this, but I don't see the need for any personal attacks, or anything like that. Give him the advice that this is not a good idea, and leave it at that. Just don't give him anymore bankroll building advice in other threads, no need to resort to hostilities.
I should probably have put everything in the past tense as he has since busted from the tournament..... oh well.

Since I spent/wasted/used 10min perusing this thread I felt obligated to post.

El. Oh. El.

That is all.

see, i personally am quite proud of myself..no i didnt make the money, but i outlasted nearly 20,000 other players, in my eyes, i did well...i dont care if you guys think i was wrong for playing this, its 11$, which i could have wasted in many other ways, i could spend double that taking my gf to the movies, and not enjoy myself half as much as i did in this...11$ for nearly 2 hours of entertainment, is more then worth it in my opinion, money is money, you can ALWAYS acquire more money, there is infinite ways to build your personal wealth, i am not phased in the slightest losing that 11$, thats a 6pack, which would last me roughly the same amount of time as i played...again, i honestly do not care what your oppinion is of me playing in this tournament, i had fun, and in the end, thats what it comes down to, it could have been much worse, within 5 minutes, there were like some 300 ppl out, i could have been one of them, but i wasnt, i played my game, and i outlasted 4/5 of the competition, doing VERY well in my eyes, so take it how u want, but thats what it is

A number of us make a lot of money off of guys who don't mind donking off money for fun so we don't mind.

I would rather finish a tournament in the first three minutes than on the bubble tho... rlly suxx finishin right outside the money

gj if ur happy wit how u played tho

i agree it does suck going right outside the bubble, but i proved to myself that i CAN make it, i was card dead for most of the tourney,and i still managed to make it as far as i did, i beleive it was well worth the time and money spent, and who knows, i might even play another satelite and try again next week

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i agree it does suck going right outside the bubble, but i proved to myself that i CAN make it, i was card dead for most of the tourney,and i still managed to make it as far as i did, i beleive it was well worth the time and money spent, and who knows, i might even play another satelite and try again next week

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I think the biggest congrats has to go out for the fact that you posted here again. Realizing that there is a lot of knowledge here and not giving it up for a diff of opinion is very +EV.

Gl on the tables

you should play another sat, take the money, then play the same sat, take the money again, then play another sat, take the money again (I think it's allowed)

those satellite's are soft and good money for increasing your roll and if you want to reward yourself for all the sat's you won then you could use one of the free entries (although I wouldn't). If you wanna play in tournaments I'd recommend smaller one's which you could actually get a decent ROI with such as the 180 man SnG's (I actually played these and they are very profitable imp), otherwise the 2.2$ 2x tournaments going on atm are also fairly good (just played one now, finished ITM, roughly 1000 players per tourney).

here's a good site for sng's and tourney's imo http://www.sitandgoplanet.com/.
also read the faq in FTR MTT section, it helps obv

I finished 3601 :P

welcome back smitts =)

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That's what you call finishing close to the money :-) out of interest what did the minimum payout pay?

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see, i personally am quite proud of myself..no i didnt make the money, but i outlasted nearly 20,000 other players, in my eyes, i did well...i dont care if you guys think i was wrong for playing this, its 11$, which i could have wasted in many other ways, i could spend double that taking my gf to the movies, and not enjoy myself half as much as i did in this...11$ for nearly 2 hours of entertainment, is more then worth it in my opinion, money is money, you can ALWAYS acquire more money, there is infinite ways to build your personal wealth, i am not phased in the slightest losing that 11$, thats a 6pack, which would last me roughly the same amount of time as i played...again, i honestly do not care what your oppinion is of me playing in this tournament, i had fun, and in the end, thats what it comes down to, it could have been much worse, within 5 minutes, there were like some 300 ppl out, i could have been one of them, but i wasnt, i played my game, and i outlasted 4/5 of the competition, doing VERY well in my eyes, so take it how u want, but thats what it is

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I bolded the part which you need to really think about. Not in terms of why you're playing poker but why you would go to a poker forum, ask for poker help and then go "ape-shit" on those making money trying to teach you how to make money.

If you're into poker to have fun then all the best to you. Enjoy yourself as much as you can, post questions around here and read a lot of threads. However I would sugguest putting something in your signature about you being an "enjoyment player". Some/most/all of the advice which will be given to you by certain members of this forum will be completely useless in regards to what you're looking for, for this simple fact.

Let's get something straight. The people who go from the beginners forums of poker sites to the big money/high-stakes leagues are playing the game to win money. Fun is something you have once you have the money, work is something you do to get it. Poker can be enjoyable work, but it IS work for a lot people (myself included). However there are always players out there, you being one, who are not interested in learning how to be a better player but rather how to have the most fun out of the game.

I respect that. I don't understand it, but I do respect it. However if your attitude is going to be the "fun" rather than the "work" philosophy then you need to let people know. Asking what you should do in the situation described in your opening post gave you what people would do if they were playing for the long-term. Short-term gratification wasn't something you mentioned, and that's where the class of attitudes began.

Again, you play the way you want to. It IS your money. But find someone who plays poker for fun and learn from them, that would be your best option. You might not find that type of player here however.

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smitts,
First of all, congrats on winning the satellite and for finishing in the top % of the $100K.

HOWEVER, most of this thread has been about you playing in this tournament even though your bankroll didn't support it nor did you seamingly have the skill set to finish very high in the money if ITM at all (not trying to slam your skills there, but you didn't even know how to calculate your M).

Your arguement was that since you didn't ask for bankroll advice that our regulars should have just focused on providing guidance for your specific question. Unfortunately there is a flaw there.

The regular contributors at FTR try to improve the skill level of people that post here in EVERY category, not just answer simple questions. If they just blantently ignored a critical peice of the puzzle just because YOU didn't think it was relevant then they are not doing their job as "experts" in their field.

To put this in perspective let me take your situation and apply it to a different scenario.

Let's assume that you won $500 in a raffle and have been DYING to buy a new stereo receiver. You go to the store and ask the sales dude for the best receiver you can get for $500.

As he is pointing out the various receivers he asks you about the speakers that you are going to be using, at which point you say "They are pretty cheap speakers, but don't worry about that, just sell me the receiver".

The sales rep tries to get you back to the topic of your cheap receivers, but you ain't listening. You have wanted a new receiver for a long time and damnit "its your money and you want to buy it".

I bet you already see where I am heading with this, but I am going to continue because damnit I am here to make a point.

So, you take this awesomest receiver home, plug it in to your DVD player, XBOX 360, etc. and CRANK IT UP BABY!!!

Naturally, your cheap speakers blow up like a suicide bomber and you take the receiver back to the store cuz they sold you something that wouldn't work with your speakers.

When you get back, you start giving it to the sales rep who sold you the receiver and his comment is simply - "I tried telling you that, but you wouldn't listen. Unless there is something wrong with the unit I guess we need to head over to the speaker section".

Now, outside of the VERY elementary example there are a couple of factors that you need to understand that will let you know why people here harp on EVERY aspect of your poker game, not just the specific question that you ask.

1. We feel it is incumbent upon you to look at ALL facets of a decision, not just one simple one.

2. If we just blatently ignored the other factors and gave you bad advice other people may take that bad advice and amplify it, then point back to the bad advice.

3. If you aren't serious about your poker game and just want to gambool away some spare money then you are wasting your time and ours by asking for very basic advice that can be found all over these forums. If you ARE serious about improving at poker then you can't take one aspect of it and just blatently ignore it whenever you want to.

Btw, if you post a "yea, but" reply to this then I too will most likely be through with trying to help you and will simply wish you good luck with your adventures.

Why are you asking for advice if you won't heed it and just made this post to pat yourself on the back? See: Beginner's Winner Circlce

i think a lot of the advice on this thread has been extremely helpful and geared well towards a beginner. but i also think it's been a bit harsh, and it doesn't account for the other side of the coin.

BR management is about comfort as much as it is about safety. the reason we have a big BR is so it lessons the chance that we bust out. because when we bust out it's game over! unless of course, we are willing to redeposit. if smitts is willing to redeposit again and again then BR isn't really an issue. it does become an issue, however, when he starts to lose from his "life bankroll" and that's where problem gamblers start.

what smitts did is essentially the same as taking a shot at a higher level. if you win, great you fast tracked to a higher level. if you lose, oh well, you move back down, pat yourself for a good try, and keep playing.

let the guy enjoy what he did. poker is a game after all, and it is still fun for some people. that's a luxury that people who play for money don't have anymore....at least i don't have fun anymore when i play for money. my fun comes from playing for penny games with spenda and gmml and going OOOOHHHHHHHH when i suck out or get sucked out on.

Damn I lost an $11 bet with myself that that really was going to be his last post.

Damn I lost an $11 bet with myself that that really was going to be his last post.

i understand completely what everyone has told me, i dont look at poker as a career...not right now anyways, how is it even possible to support yourself from microstakes, i work, i support myself with a week to week paycheck, playing poker for mostly entertainment but if can make some money along the way then why not IF i was to make it to higher stakes, then it would be different, 11$ is nothing, even if it is 10% of my BR...its still only 11$, people blow more than that on fucking lottery tickets every week...however now say if my BR was 10,000, i WOULD NEVER IN MY LIFE play a 1000$ tournament, (not with a 10g BR anyways), i just saw it as a chance to move up, a chance i could not let pass by, not for 11$ anyways... i still think i made the correct decision,

so to put it blunt...

it was 11$

almost the cost of a pack of smokes, and a lighter: which would last you a day maybe
(an extreme waste of money AND your life)

the cost of renting a movie and buying a bag of chips:2 hours
(while watching being extremely bored and wishing i was playing poker anyways)

barely more then a gram of chronic: which would last 20 minutes(causing me to just space out and waste my time anyways)

my point, there is a lot of ways to waste 11$

why is it such a big deal i decided to TRY to turn my 11$ into 25k?

and im SURE a lot of you smoke, whether one or the other, so its kinda hypocritical in a way??

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Why are you asking for advice if you won't heed it and just made this post to pat yourself on the back? See: Beginner's Winner Circlce

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first off, i DID take the advice, the advice i ASKED for, i understand the whole "well we tell u everything to do with your question" but i stated, VERY clearly that i was participating in this tournament, i didnt say SHOULD i play, i asked HOW i should play

period. im getting tired of repeating this

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i understand completely what everyone has told me, i dont look at poker as a career...not right now anyways, how is it even possible to support yourself from microstakes, i work, i support myself with a week to week paycheck, playing poker for mostly entertainment but if can make some money along the way then why not IF i was to make it to higher stakes, then it would be different, 11$ is nothing, even if it is 10% of my BR...its still only 11$, people blow more than that on fucking lottery tickets every week...however now say if my BR was 10,000, i WOULD NEVER IN MY LIFE play a 1000$ tournament, (not with a 10g BR anyways), i just saw it as a chance to move up, a chance i could not let pass by, not for 11$ anyways... i still think i made the correct decision,

so to put it blunt...

it was 11$

almost the cost of a pack of smokes, and a lighter: which would last you a day maybe
(an extreme waste of money AND your life)

the cost of renting a movie and buying a bag of chips:2 hours
(while watching being extremely bored and wishing i was playing poker anyways)

barely more then a gram of chronic: which would last 20 minutes(causing me to just space out and waste my time anyways)

my point, there is a lot of ways to waste 11$

why is it such a big deal i decided to TRY to turn my 11$ into 25k?

and im SURE a lot of you smoke, whether one or the other, so its kinda hypocritical in a way??

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Your attitude is a piece of crap and the concept of respect really should be something you should think to resource. It's actually something interesting that may help you later on in life.

And playing microstakes is to teach you HOW to reach medium stakes.

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Your attitude is a piece of crap and the concept of respect really should be something you should think to resource. It's actually something interesting that may help you later on in life.

And playing microstakes is to teach you HOW to reach medium stakes.

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first my attitude is this way because im fed up, i refuse to do ONE thing i am told to do(which i am not obligated to do in ANYWAY) and look what happens, i was never rude to anybody on here intil this post

2nd i have respect for a lot of people

a)respect goes both ways, you give it, then you get it back...i will never respect some1 who refuses to give it.

b)i respect multiple people here on ftr..but again, i will never respect some1 who refuses to give it

c)you know nothing of me IRL, i am probably one of the most respectful people you would ever meet, INTIL you push my buttons, then im an asshole with a capital A

point blank, its a joke to judge some1 because they dont do EVERY detail you tell them too. i have my own mind, my own decisions, and i will do what i want, when i want, IF i wanted to go enter a 109$ tourney,

i would

i dont want to, but if i did, i would,

BRM is important no doubt, but you are acting as if my 100$BR is my life savings and that if i lose it, i will have to file bankruptcy, and possibly sell a kidney? lol no, its money, money comes and goes,

if you want money, u can get it

you suck

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edit - i am pisssssssssed. and tonight i spent lots and lots of "byu in"s on drinks and shit. just because i have the money outdside of my BR doesnt mean im noti going to use bankroll managem,enmt. becvaiuse i want to be prepared properly for when i hopefully moveee up.
dfonki your BR away if you want. have fun and WHY SO SERIOUSS ARRRRRRRRGH xxxxx

new sn?

Smitts;

Look back at this thread and really try to work out what has happened. You posted in the Beginners Circle and not the MTT forum, which automatically has the regulars looking at everything you've said in an attempt to improve your overall game. That's the nature of the beast when posting threads in a Beginners forum.

You've received advice you didn't want to hear. And the example with buying a sound system without proper speakers is a very accurate example of your attitude towards everyone who has offered you help. Look at things logically. Your entire arguement about why you don't want to adhere to bankroll management is that the money involved doesn't mean anything to you. Therefore a question arises, why are you playing at such low stakes if you're not interested in learning all the aspects of the game? This question is one that comes to mind whenever someone reads your rants.

The important thing about poker is that the money at the table and the money in your bankroll is not worth the same as it would away from poker. You gambling with $11 isn't you throwing away a good meal, it's you gambling with 5.5 buyins. A high-stakes player betting 100K isn't betting a house or a car, he is betting a proportion of his stack to win more chips. Our bankroll must have almost no monetary value if we are to take it seriously. It's just % of what we can play when we sit down and if we are over stretching our bankroll.

You don't want to take bankroll management seriously at this stage, which is quite obvious when you constantly talk about how much $11 is worth away from the table. But away from the table isn't what the advice you have been given is about. In essence, you've dug your heels in and are now ranting and raving about something because you feel you're in the right. You've passed the point in which you're willing to discuss and explain ideas, or even listen to explanations. I should know, I've been there plenty of times.

Which is exactly why my last post attacked your attitude. You've got your back up and would much rather do your own thing than listen to other people. And THATS OK. But it's not ok to do it and attack those who are trying to give advice.

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The point isn't that you MUST adhere to bankroll management. The point was that it is better if you do for your poker game if you wanted to take it seriously. Simply stating that you're not really taking it seriously, you're only playing for enjoyment value but would like help to maximize that enjoyment with tips on playing the MTT would have been a lot easier for everyone. Instead you decided that you knew what you wanted to know and didn't want to listen to what you might potentially need to know.

The issue isn't following bankroll guidelines anymore, it's you stamping your feet making sure we all know you can do what you want when you want with your money. I would sugguest taking a deep breath and look to learn how to receive advice you may not want/think you need to hear. Having a "hissy fit" isn't a mature way of going about it.

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Interesting I hadn't heard it explained like that before and it makes a lot of sense. I'm waiting on my bank roll to be released STILL - but am sure it will be no more than a week for my $120 to be released.

In the meantime I've won a couple of dollars (about $10) in total through winning 3/4 free rolls. I've pissed that away because of the relative nature of the money and the fact I couldn't motivate myself to be patient for an hour waiting for a 20 c pot.

If I'd have taken the approach you've mentioned - completely differentiating my BR from real life money, maybe I wouldn't have had such a hard time working with it. Definately something I'm going to remember going forward.

I AM A BEGINNER! I AM A "NOOB!" I AM A FISH! So if i'm out of line, someone w/ skill tell me, i'll back off.

From Beginner to Beginner Smitt, BRM at low stakes is not(I don't think) About keeping you from loosing your house, car, and retirement money, It's about Disipline. Sure, it seems like an easy decision now, why waste 1000 bucks of my 10G BR. But imagine when the Prize is that much higher, near million range. You'll be saying "If I can take 1000 dollars, and increase my entire standard of living, why not."
That eleven dollars wasn't cig money, it wasn't date money, it was money you played poker to win. It was money you could pat yourself on the back for winning, watch it inflate your BR a little bit, and move on. I don't think that this thread was a difference in opinion. It was a presentation of facts, that were ignored. Sure I didn't come to FTR yesterday to read "The Psychology of Loosing-Know thyself" But It was presented to me and was a great read, so I soaked it in.

Again man, This is all BEGINNER, TO BEGINNER advice.PLEASE don't think I assume to know anything you don't.

Is this thread still going?

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Interesting I hadn't heard it explained like that before and it makes a lot of sense. I'm waiting on my bank roll to be released STILL - but am sure it will be no more than a week for my $120 to be released.

In the meantime I've won a couple of dollars (about $10) in total through winning 3/4 free rolls. I've pissed that away because of the relative nature of the money and the fact I couldn't motivate myself to be patient for an hour waiting for a 20 c pot.

If I'd have taken the approach you've mentioned - completely differentiating my BR from real life money, maybe I wouldn't have had such a hard time working with it. Definately something I'm going to remember going forward.

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I believe it was in Doyle's Super/System that this really was pointed out to me. If the follow example is from somewhere else someone will correct me but here's how it goes:

A guy turns up at a friends house and ends up trying to borrow some money. He tells his friend that him and his wife/girlfriend are flat broke, they need money for food so the baby can be fed and they don't get their paychecks until the end of the week. After hearing the story his friend loans him the money. At which point he thanks him and jumps up, ready to leave. Asked where he is going, he tells his friend that the weekly poker game is that night and he needs to get there to catch his seat. His friend mentions the sob story and his reply is "Oh, I have money for THAT".

The essence being that you need two bankrolls. A life bankroll and a poker bankroll. The life bankroll is all the money you are living on and it's what you first use to start your poker bankroll with. However once your poker bankroll is set, that's it. The only time money is transferred between the two bankrolls is either because of profits or you've gone busto. Having blurred lines between the two can be a dangerous situation in regards to money management.

What I have in my poker BR is all I have. Once I go bust, that's it for me unless I can make a compelling arguement why I should "top up" from my life bankroll. That's a personal choice because I'm taking the poker seriously.

Wow I can't believe people are still going on and on about some whiney noob and his $11 tournament.

yea I think all has been said that can be said. I think the thread should be locked. This isn't my forum so I will wait. I think it should be dropped now and we can move on to other topics. If anyone else needs some advice concerning anything in the beginner realm, it seems we have some traffic to deal with it.

FWIW, BR is BR and real life roll is just that. Do you think guys like Sauce or gabe can throw $30K into a pot with a combo draw if they were thinking about anything other than BR management? Poker money is not real life money and you have to separate them, or you will forever dread your losses, thinking "I just lost a mortgage payment" " I just lost a months salary" Take real life out of poker and think EV.

^Haven't had a chance to read this entire thread, but I'll take your advice and lock it up. Thanks.

From the posts I've read, it sounds like people are just trying too hard to pound BR management into the brains of those who don't necessarily care or want to listen. It's great for us to tell people about BR management and why it's good, but it's not our job to force people to follow it. If they don't want to, that's their choice and we should just leave it at that.