FTR Session Reviews

Something that I think is incredibly important in developing your game is having somebody else look at not just your hands but your entire sessions. We had some session reviews awhile back but havent really kept up with them so I thought we should start them back up again.

Anyways, what I think would work best is if we the interested people PM me by thursday night and then I can post the pairings by friday allowing people to put in a session over the weekend. Then on monday we could send our partner the session giving them week to review it and write something up.

If you guys are interested, send me a PM with your game type [full ring or shorthanded] and your stakes and I will figure out the partner situation and post them here on probably saturday because itll get started a little later this week.

Also, bump the thread if you send me a pm just to get more people involved.

PM'd you. Great idea.

Also PM'd tho I'll be out of town this particular weekend but I'm interested overall - good idea!

PM'ed you. I'm moving up from 50NL to 100NL tomorrow, so this is good timing for me. Wish me luck...

Yeaaa, so I was hoping we'd get a little more than this, for now we have 4 people [not including me] signed up for this week and Dahorror said he could do it next week.

Also, FlopTurnThenRivered is included in those but has not given me his stakes or game type and VegasCoop [who is gone until Sunday morning] also has not told me his game type.

So why doesnt everybody here stir up some interest for this and we can get started next week? Ideally Id like to see atleast 10 people to sign up for this so that the pairings will be better, but we will see what happens then.

I'm down too. Thanks for coordinating it.

Alright, so far this is the list I have. If there are question marks by any of your names then PM me with those details.

VegasCoop – 50nl - ?
Zook – 100nl - FR
Renton – 400nl - FR
FlopTurnThenRivered - ? - ?
Andy-AKB – 200nl – SH
Benny999 – 200nl – SH
FlyingPenguin – 25nl - FR

What do you guys think, start this on Monday and then have people put in the session during the week and review it over the weekend or start on Friday? If we start Monday we are goiing to have a smaller number of people involved, we have to wait longer if we want Friday, but we will probably have more people signed up.

Let me know what you think.

PM'D YOU!!!!!

I think we should wait until Friday and get a few more signed on.

I'm interested, so I pm'ed you. Don't post much obviously but I have been reading the forums for awhile now.

Alright, here is the updated list, got a bunch of PMs and looks like this is really coming together

VegasCoop – 50nl - ?
Zook – 100nl - FR
Renton – 400nl - FR
FlopTurnThenRivered - ? - ?
Andy-AKB – 200nl – SH
Benny999 – 200nl – SH
FlyingPenguin – 25nl - FR
Freechus9 – 25nl – FR
Anosmic – 25nl – FR
also 10nl SH – ½ and 2/4 FL
Chris4tw – 100nl FR

also, PhilPaine signed up for Low limit SNGs so I dont see why we cant accomdate SNGers as well

Yeah, I'm 50 NL.

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Yeah, I'm 50 NL.

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Fullring or shorthanded?

im up 50NL FR

FR

Is there going to be a standard format of some type? What's really needed is some kind of attachment with stats on ops for at least important hands if not all, just like a general key or something. While I think reviewing HH is good for players, it will be a lot easier to critique with reads, etc then just say standard +EV advice.

i might sign up for this again but not just yet. I have alot going on right now and not a huge amount of time for poker. Also im going to be moving back to my uni house where Ill have to get internet sorted. Ill get back to you if I have the time to do this.

To anyone who is thinking about signing up who hasnt done this before:

This is a GREAT way to learn new things about this game and to plug leaks you never even knew where there. It did wonders for me last time and Ill join in as soon as I have time this time.

awesome idea I'll be down after this week.

Nl200-300 (Prima/Party) SH

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Is there going to be a standard format of some type? What's really needed is some kind of attachment with stats on ops for at least important hands if not all, just like a general key or something. While I think reviewing HH is good for players, it will be a lot easier to critique with reads, etc then just say standard +EV advice.

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This is something Ive thought about too but I cannot find a simple solution for it. I have a huge database through a lot of datamining so I have very good stats on most of my opponents but there isnt an easy way to send that to the reviewer.

The easiest way is to jsut assume unknown opponents or use the stats up until that point in the session. If there are any questions about a specific hand the reviewer could just ask the person who played the session for the stats and then gof rom there.

Also, this is the updated list as of now for people who have signed up:
VegasCoop – 50nl - FR
Zook – 100nl - FR
Renton – 400nl - FR
FlopTurnThenRivered - ? - ?
Andy-AKB – 200nl – SH
Benny999 – 200nl – SH
FlyingPenguin – 25nl - FR
Freechus9 – 25nl – FR
PhilPaine – Low limit SNGs
Anosmic – 25nl – FR
-10nl SH – ½ and 2/4 FL
Chris4tw – 100nl - FR
Takesix – 10nl – FR
Dislexsik – 50nl – FR
Genitruc – 200nl – SH

id like to do this.

50NL - Full Ring

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Originally Posted by bigred

Is there going to be a standard format of some type? What's really needed is some kind of attachment with stats on ops for at least important hands if not all, just like a general key or something. While I think reviewing HH is good for players, it will be a lot easier to critique with reads, etc then just say standard +EV advice.

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I was thinking of just making a text file with reads and notes on the main players in the session.

Also, these instructions from Pokertracker should help...

Exporting hands from a session:
"Session Notes tab, double click the session you want to export. Go to Game Notes tab, click the Get All button, then click the Export button."

Replaying all hands from a session:
"If you select the session on the Session Notes tab and sort the bottom data section that shows all the hands for that session by game number so the lowest one is first, then click the "r" button, you can replay all these hands. Using the arrows at the top left of the window to go to the next hand or using the "Auto-Play" checkbox in conjunction with the ">" button that auto-plays each hand rather than you stepping through it."

Update: Added terry to the list

Oh, and I absolutely suck at poker so whoever gets paired with me [probably benny or genitruc] are going to have their hands full.

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Oh, and I absolutely suck at poker so whoever gets paired with me [probably benny or genitruc] are going to have their hands full.

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lol. Me too, I'm down 2.5 buyins in my first 2.5K at 100NL. At this rate I'll be back at 50NL in no time.

Alright guys, Im going to be posting the pairings later tonight/early tomorrow morning. Id suggest contacting your partner via PM and getting their AIM/MSN/Email, etc from them so you can contact them a bit easier and then you guys take it from there.

Ideally, I would like to do this weekly so the schedule would look something like this:
-Friday through Sunday: Put in a session and send it to your partner
-Monday through Thursday: Review the session and send it back to your partner

Then the cycle would start again next friday with new partners. This may sound like a lot but really its not much because you guys are playing anyways and the reviewing process takes about an hour or so. However, if you dont want to do it weekly but would instead do it every other week, or whatever, then just PM me and Ill make a note of it for the next week.

As for the general format of the reviews, here are a few "rules":
-The session should be around 200 hands, if you play mutiple tables then jsut sned one table or two or however many until you get around that amount
-The easiest way to read a review is to take out the trouble hands and convert them into a text output using one of the converters and then putting them in a word document and making your comments in bold or another color
-If you want to write a response of sorts to your reviewer, go for it. Change the color of your text and just add to the review and ask questions, make comments, etc.

Also, one quick question. What do you guys think we should do about threads? Should we have a stickied FAQ thread that explains it and then we make a new thread every week or just keep this one thread? Also, if we make a new thread every week, should we have everybody automatically sign up unless they "opt-out" or just start from scratch every week?

BTW - I am still interested and am back in town for this weekend so I will play for a bit at least Friday/Saturday nights...just in case I got removed from the list due to my absence last weekend.
Thx.

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Should we have a stickied FAQ thread that explains it and then we make a new thread every week or just keep this one thread? Also, if we make a new thread every week, should we have everybody automatically sign up unless they "opt-out" or just start from scratch every week?

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I like new threads. And I think people should be automatically signed up until they opt-out.

Alright, here are the pairings for the session reviews. Contact your partner as soon as you can and get things figured out.

Some of the pairings are a little lopsided but its the best I could do. Also, PhilPaine is still looking for somebody who plays low limit SNGs to go over things with and FlopTurnThenRivered, I still dont have your information.

VegasCoop and Cardsman1992
Dislexsik and TerryToma
Genitruc and Benny999
FlyingPenguin and Freechus9
Anosmic and Takesix
Zook and Renton
Chris4tw and Dahorror
Andy-AKB and Thnwkd


On Monday I will start a new thread using the list of everybody that signed up for this week. If you arent on it and would like to be then post in the thread or PM me, and if you are on the list and dont want to be, do the same. You will have between Monday-Thursday next week to sign up or opt out.

Based on previous experience I'd say that the best method for sharing HH is absolutely to use PokerTracker.

It's fairly straightforward to go and pull out a session or two to text file and send them off.
Then the other person can import them and go through them with a replayer.

You can go to the trouble of sending seperate PT databases back and forth (e.g. http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...t=1&PHPSESSID=)
but I don't think it's necessary.

There was more in Pelion's old HH-swap thread.

A seperate file with comments is good (include a HH ID number, which is easy to look up in PT or do a "find" in a text editor).

Of course if you don't have PT it's a pain (but really, you are wanting to analyse sessions but haven't bothered to even download the trial version of PT?) and if you're on a non-PT site that could be an issue.

Bump for pairings

what do you guys think about posting your a new thread for each of our pairings?? i was thinking about playing 2-300 hands at paradise, getting them all sent to me in an email.. and converting them all at once to FTR format using

http://www.neildewhurst.com/hand-converter

while yes, dislex has to read and comment on my hands it allows others to do the same..

I don't think anyone on this forum is going through a post with 2-300 hands, especially if they're already doing a session review with someone. You and dislexsik could pick out four or five interesting hands, but I autoskip posts with any more than that.

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I don't think anyone on this forum is going through a post with 2-300 hands, especially if they're already doing a session review with someone. You and dislexsik could pick out four or five interesting hands, but I autoskip posts with any more than that.

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ok, but im also saying as a formatting issue it might be easiest if we can post on a thread here after we cut/paste/convert/cut/paste into a thread..

Just use the neildewhurst converter to have a plain text output, its just as clean it just doesnt have images

I want in. Party 200NL FR.

kthx :)

have halvsame take my place (with zook) and put me with a 200nl 6maxer.

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have halvsame take my place (with zook) and put me with a 200nl 6maxer.

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I can do this for next weeks review, you will probably be paired up with me, benny or genitruc. That helps because we had an odd number of 200nl SH players and not really many in between.

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Originally Posted by andy-akb

Alright, here are the pairings for the session reviews. Contact your partner as soon as you can and get things figured out.

Some of the pairings are a little lopsided but its the best I could do. Also, PhilPaine is still looking for somebody who plays low limit SNGs to go over things with and FlopTurnThenRivered, I still dont have your information.

VegasCoop and Cardsman1992
Dislexsik and TerryToma
Genitruc and Benny999
FlyingPenguin and Freechus9
Anosmic and Takesix
Zook and Renton
Chris4tw and Dahorror
Andy-AKB and Thnwkd


On Monday I will start a new thread using the list of everybody that signed up for this week. If you arent on it and would like to be then post in the thread or PM me, and if you are on the list and dont want to be, do the same. You will have between Monday-Thursday next week to sign up or opt out.

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So do we post the hands with comments in the new thread u gonna make?

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So do we post the hands with comments in the new thread u gonna make?

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Send your partner a PM, have him send you ~200 hands, make your comments on those and email them back to your partner.

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So do we post the hands with comments in the new thread u gonna make?

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Send your partner a PM, have him send you ~200 hands, make your comments on those and email them back to your partner.

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I did.I still need to post hands from me back though.

VegasCoop and I have traded sessions and analysis. I for one have found this to be a very helpful exercise. I am all in favor of continuing....count me in for this week.

i´m in, as soon as i change my pokersite, i don´t want anyone to go through a whole sessions HHs in german.

will need 10 to 14 days to clear a bonus, then i´ll be playing 25NL FR (ultimate or hollywood) and some 5.50 and 11 sngs

Are we pairing up again starting today for the next two weeks? Haven't seen anything yet, but I would like to.

I am playing a mixture of $50 and $100.

Yea we are going to pair up today. I got literally 2 and a half hours of sleep today, had a big test over something i knew nothing about so it was a lot of studying. Anyways, right now im exhausted so Im going to take a nap, I will make the pairings when I wake up.

Also, I want to keep doing this but I want more people to sign up so that we can have a bigger pool to pair people up with. How do you think we can get more people signed up for the next review?

PM'ed, wheee, just what I need, thanks andy!

I am not sure about how to increase signups. Maybe some of the admins could help us out by advertising (kind of like the book club)?

Also, maybe a thread where we discuss results/findings? Not quite sure what this would entail, just brainstorming a little.

I know this has proven helpful to me, not only by the advice I get, but my own analysis forces me to think more concretely regarding hands and strategy.

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Maybe some of the admins could help us out by advertising (kind of like the book club)?

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lol. Judging from how much traffic the Book Club gets, you may want to find another way.

I think it will gather more steam as it goes along. Andy, you could also cross post an announcement in the Hand Histories and 6-Max Forums, maybe.

U can still count me in Andy.

Cheers

I'd like to get in on this also.

I'd like to get in on this too.

I'm a 50NL 9-max.

$25NL full ring with occasional dabbles in $50NL full ring (recently switched back over from $25NLSH)

Oh yeah, count me in as well.

Guys, I will be posting the pairings sometime tomorrow so if you havent signed up and want to then post in here and I will get you added to the list.

$50Nl 6-max

I also dabble in some $50NL FR. Hook me up, Andy!

count me in again!!

$50/$100 FR.

Guys sorry about the delay, things have been really hectic around here so Im a little behind. However, Ill still do my best to get the pairings posted tonight, it will probably be around midnight or later though.

Hi, I've recently switched to Shorthanded NL$50 (occasional $100) the last 2 or 3 months, I'd love to get in on this if its still goin? I'd be a bit worried I won't be offering my partner much for the first few occasions at least though. I'm a winning player, and I'm hoping to plug some leaks.

Can I join in?

I'd like to get in on this too. I'm playing 6-max $25NL and 6-max $25PLO.
I'm sure I can review full-ring versions on those too.

Bump.

I'm in.
Just moved up to 50NL FR.

I posted in the other thread but yeah count me in $100 NL short handed, can do full ring.

BUMP

because Im drunk as hell, I neeed four tries to get my ppassword right
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ahnd I feel bad as hell becasue I havenæt been more avtice in this in the last couple of tounds.

Thumbs up to you andy for still bwing the MAN with capeital all letters for pulling this togethrern.

and just to see if I can make it work at fisrt try: :shipit:

holla

Alright guys, I feel like such an ass for not doing this an earlier, Ive just had a lot of shit going on with the family, school, and as of yesterday with the girl. Anyways, I am about to leave to go golfing in literally 5 minutes with some family before my uncle leaves for the winter so I dont have time to make the pairings right this second but I will be able to in a few hours. Here is the current list I have, if you have any problems with any of it, just let me know.

VegasCoop – 50nl - FR
Zook – 100nl - FR
Renton – 200nl - SH
Andy-AKB – 100nl – SH
Benny999 – 200nl – SH
FlyingPenguin – 25nl - FR
Freechus9 – 25nl – FR
Anosmic – 100nl – SH
Chris4tw – 100nl - FR
Takesix – 10nl – FR
Dislexsik – 100nl – FR
Genitruc – 200nl – SH
HalvSame – 200nl – FR
Cardsman1992 – 50 or 100nl – FR
Hartlin – 50nl – FR
Germier – 100nl – SH
BankItDrew – 50nl – FR
Yorib – 25nl – FR
Gutshot – 50nl – SH
DaHorror – 100nl – FR
Salsa4Ever – 100nl – FR
Kauf Jr. – 25nl – FR
Tom42 – 50nl – SH
XYU – 50nl – SH
IslandAK – 25nl – SH
ThelVlaster – 50nl – FR
IowaSkinsFan – 100nl – SH/FR
CourtieBee – 25nl
XTR1000 – 50nl – FR
Avocado – 25nl – SH

switch me to 400nl sh

Hey Andy,

any list yet? did I miss it?

November 11th pairings: http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...oker-46383.htm

And lol@me for making a drunk post in this thread, I don't remember doing that :P

Sign me up please (PM sent). Time to start developing my cash game. Will be starting at 25NL full ring.

Thx

Now that college football is over (well, for OSU) I'm in. 50NL shorthanded

Andy: I'm OUT for the next session review. Out of town for Thanksgiving and then moving right after that. I'll be in for the following one though.

Alright guys, here is the updated list for the next review. If anybody sees anything wrong with it or wants to be added, just let me know in here or in a PM [preferably in a PM].

25nl and under:
-SH:
Avocado - 25nl
IslandAK - 25nl
Jishu - 25nl

-FR:
Takesix – 10nl
Freechus9 - 25nl
Yorib - 25nl
Kauf Jr. - 25nl
CourtieBee - 25nl
Cobere

50nl:
-SH:
VegasCoop
Gutshot
Tom42
XYU
Swiggidy

-FR:
XTR1000
ThelVlaster
BankItDrew
Hartlin

100nl+:
-SH:
Andy-AKB – 100nl
Benny999 – 200nl
Anosmic – 100nl
Germier – 100nl
IowaSkinsFan – 100nl
Renton – 200nl
Genitruc – 400nl

-FR:
Cardsman1992 – 50 or 100nl
DaHorror - 100nl
Dislexsik – 100nl
Chris4tw – 100nl
Zook – 100nl [OUT FOR NEXT REVIEW]
HalvSame – 200nl

Change mine to 100NL 6max and 200NL FR

Count me in for 100NL 6-max.

Sign me up please! (PM Sent)
$100NL (6max)

put me down for 25NL please. ill put in my session over the weekend.

thanks

Put me down for $25NL as well.

Thanks

EDIT: $25NL Full Ring that is

I need this badly. Sign me up plz.

25nl-50nl SH

thx

Another possible method for hand history review is Google Documents for those with Gmail accounts.

You can convert your hands and paste them into a new document, then share that document with your partner. You can both collaborate in the same doc. I haven't tried it yet, but sounds like a decent method.

How are you going about the session review then. Is there a way to do this with PT. I tend to glaze over after a couple hundred HH's of fold, fold, fold. What amount of hands are you using. I could be persuaded to do $25NL SH if it's possible to not just peruse a couple hundred text file of hands. But actually see the hands that are actually played by the reviewee'

I've moved up to 25nl, by the way.

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How are you going about the session review then. Is there a way to do this with PT. I tend to glaze over after a couple hundred HH's of fold, fold, fold. What amount of hands are you using. I could be persuaded to do $25NL SH if it's possible to not just peruse a couple hundred text file of hands. But actually see the hands that are actually played by the reviewee'

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You can import the hands to Poker Tracker and watch them on the hand replayer. But I find using the hand replayer takes a LONG time. I think it's easiest to go through a text file. I scroll down, highlighting as I go, stopping when I find an interesting hand. Then I delete everything above it, comment on the hand, rinse, repeat. It probably takes an hour, two tops, to review 200 hands. It's HUGELY helpful. I get almost as much out of reviewing hands as I do from reading my partner's comments.

Andy: I'm back in. I'm still playing 100NL FR at the moment, but I may make a switch to SH soon. I'll let you know.

yea I do find they help. alot. I'm in, put me down for SH $25NL. I gotta finish NLHE T&P still too. I need to start finding more time to read anyway. HH's will only help. Less poker, more learnin'.

Hiya, please move me from 25NL FR to 25NL SH. Thanks.

Switch me to 200NL short handed for the next review kthx :)

Me too, if poss. $20 NL Full Ring (although it's actually $0.05 / $0.10 on VC / Doyle's room for some bizarre reason)

pm sent, but I forgot to tell you full ring 50NL
will send another pm i guess